But if they need someone else to win, by definition they are not in the driver's seat.
And now PSU is in the drivers seat to win the East...
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But if they need someone else to win, by definition they are not in the driver's seat.
Of course your AD won't be writing an apology concerning behavior. With PSU, we are talking about a school who not only wasn't gracious in accepting the minimal punishment that the NCAA doled out for what Sports Illustrated has called the greatest scandal in the history of college football, but you actually sued the NCAA to get the vacated wins restored. Apologize for putting football ahead of the welfare of dozen of young boys? - Never!!, not at "We Are Pedophile State."
Your President Barron won't be issuing any apologies, either. The poor girl who was sexually assaulted by Jameis Winston when Barron was at FSU is still awaiting one, so if he doesn't apologize for that, I'm sure that he won't be apologizing for the behavior of any fans.
And to remember how PSUers were the self righteous bunch back in the days when those "thugs" from Miami would regularly beat you ... oh, the irony!
Oops, I forgot that this is all "old" news, nothing new has been reported with this situation for almost a full week.
http://www.sbnation.com/college-foo...te-fine-education-department-sandusky-scandal
I disagree with AldenT that our AD would not apologize if any of the PSU fan base showing inappropriate behavior at your stadium this Saturday. But every fan base has knuckheads and I do hope PSU fans and Rutgers fans can transcend our difference and be gracious and cordial with each other this Saturday.
Where do I even start....
Interesting that they actually won the lawsuit and had the wins restored. I didn't care either way but obviously the court system ruled in favor of Penn State. Maybe you should take it up with them.dsag
I missed when those "thugs" from Miami beat us regularly. Do you mean the back-to-back wins in 1991 and 1992 because that's the extent of them "regularly" beating us. I mean, the overall record is 7-6.
I do, however, remember Trey Bauer scaring the crap out of Michael Irvin prior to him going MIA in the 1987 National Championship Fiesta Bowl.
As a fellow PSU fan, you are off base here.
If OSU wins out, they are in, end of story.
If PSU wins out, they would have a shot at getting in because this committee places a lot of emphasis on winning a conference championship game. If both OSU and PSU win out, we will be ahead of Michigan and Wisconsin. We really need Washington to lose again.
If so, we would be fifth. Ahead of us would be Bama, OSU, Clemson and Louisville. Even assuming that one of these teams plays in and winds their CCG, I don't think the one who did not play in the game gets in over the BIG 10 conference champ.
As it turns out, the OSU loss to PSU helps OSO, provided they win out. They will not have to play in a CCG where they could lose and also do not have to expose their players to injury in a CCG.
Very minor chance, but the final four could be Bama, ACC winner, OSU and Big winner.
Big 12 does not play a CCG, thus, Oklaohoma can not have a conference championship win in their resume and I don't see how they can beat out PSU when we beat OSU and OSU pounded Oklahoma.
It is not jealousy that has us looking down on the fans and school from Pennsylvania.
It is disgust with a head coach and senior administrators who allowed pedophilia to continue rather than damage the false image they carried. It is disgust with those (Howie, are you still here?) who deny and defend those people and that institution. Rutgers could never win a football game again and we could still know we haven't fallen to the depth of the PSU faithful. Of course that doesn't set the bar very high
He's not off base, but I wouldn't say no chance in hell OSU gets in because there is always a chance. But according to the playoff selection committee guidelines, if PSU wins the BIG 10, PSU would get in over OSU because of our Head 2 Head win and a big 10 conference championship, The guidelines even blasts the "old" system for ranking teams that are not champions and loose the Head 2 Head over ones that are.
From the guidelines:
"Under the current construct, polls (although well-intended) have not expressed these values; particularly at the margins where teams that have won head-to-head competition and championships are sometimes ranked behind non-champions and teams that have lost in head-to-head competition. Nuanced mathematical formulas ignore some teams who “deserve” to be selected."
OSU fit the the old model, and PSU would have the resume to be "deserve to be selected".
http://www.collegefootballplayoff.com/selection-committee-protocol
From the guidelines:
"Under the current construct, polls (although well-intended) have not expressed these values; particularly at the margins where teams that have won head-to-head competition and championships are sometimes ranked behind non-champions and teams that have lost in head-to-head competition. Nuanced mathematical formulas ignore some teams who “deserve” to be selected."
OSU fit the the old model, and PSU would have the resume to be "deserve to be selected".
http://www.collegefootballplayoff.com/selection-committee-protocol
Where do I even start ...
Well, how about the court system NOT ruling in favor of Penn State, but rather the NCAA having no balls and settling several weeks before the trial was scheduled to begin. kjb, sorry to confuse you with the facts.
In the words of Keith Olbermann, http://www.pennlive.com/pennstatefootball/index.ssf/2015/01/espns_keith_olbermann_blasts_n.html
so they won then? of course they did. Because the NCAA overstepped their bounds and knew it.
Keith Olbermann? hahaha - that's funny. No one GAF what Keith Olbermann says.
if the Buckeye's had a QB that could throw a football even remotely accurate this would not be an issue, but their QB a still can't lead a WR or read a D after 20+ starts.. It's fun reading their msg boards.. as they blame everybody but the RB they have lined up at QB LOL. Second, they have a RT that gave up 18 pressures in one game.. a feat that would impress the likes of Kansas and Maryland.-sg
What trial are you talking about?
This all goes back to Lewis Freeh presenting about as bullshit of a report as could be written (his specialty by the way) to loudly proclaim that paterno, Spanier, Curley and Schultz conspired to cover up for Sandusky.
This, of course was seized upon by media shrills who have constantly stated suppositions and accusations as if they were fact.
The court case you were speaking about is Pa versus the NCAA over where the $60,000,000 fine was to be spent.
If, the NCAA had any faith whatsoever in the Freeh report, they may have gone to trial. However, they knew it was a total POS and no way was Emmert or Ed Ray getting onto a witness stand where sharp attorneys could tear them to bloody shreds. Thus, they gave back the wins, cut sanctions short and ended probation. Do you really believe those insufferable assholes would do that unless it was forced down their throats after all of the gloating comments by Emmert?
Next: Spanier, Curley and Schultz trial. If the state of Pa, with their bottomless pit of money in the Attorney General's office had all of these 'facts' from Freeh, why no conviction? In fact all of the charges but one have been dropped and that will be dropped soon.
Spanier is suing Freeh for defamation and I expect he will win.
The Paterno family is suing the NCAA and Emmert and Ed Ray personally.
I guess the NCAA will depend on Louie to save them, except for the fact they have already rejected his opinion in the fight over the $60,000,000.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but virtually everything alleged did not occur.
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Who gives a **** what Keith Olberman says?
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This is the problem with psu fans . You're great Joepa and the school covered up child rape for years. Yes you had a great football program and still a very good program. Hey I get it that he didn't want to disrupt the brand Don't make excuses just admit it at what it is.
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I don't give one crap what happened last week, last month, last year, were gonna kick you butts next week.
I was at the game two years ago, your fans treated us worse than any other university. I go all over. Even pitt treated us better. It's football, that's it. I don't hate Rutgers.
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I don't give one crap what happened last week, last month, last year, were gonna kick you butts next week.
I was at the game two years ago, your fans treated us worse than any other university. I go all over. Even pitt treated us better. It's football, that's it. I don't hate Rutgers.
Forgetaboutit Plum, no matter what you say, how the circumstantial evidence wasn't presented right, how all the evidence, though true, had enough flaws to make them subject to doubt and those facts don't matter when his loyal subjects claim OJ is innocent.
Oops : mean Joe "The Enabler" and his Cover-up Kingdom known as Pennsylvanian State University are innocent of covering up for a child molester who they crowned Coach Emeritus .
Tell us something we don't know. We ALL KNOW that you don't give a crap what transpired. Football > Child rape, that is the Penn State legacy.
Noticed that Rutgers fans don't even like you. I doubt anyone does in person either. Something very wrong with you. Talk about a culture problem if it makes you feel better but you clearly have a mental problem.
None of what these guys base their hate on is even true. Whatever Joe was told (and they don't have a clue), he reported it, exactly as the rules then and now state. So reporting something exactly as the law states is a "cover up"? So where is the testimony that he was told to shut up? Where is the money moving around to keep him quiet? Good lord God.
But whatever. It's what mouthbreathers do when they can't be bothered to understand facts and maybe change their subconscious black-and-white understanding of the world. This false narrative is all they have. But hey, the Paternos are gonna name their number in their lawsuit against the NCAA. Haters gonna hate.
Well, that's cause RU isn't one massive pedophiliac crime scene.
A couple of weeks ago you told me that the Sandusky scandal hasn't been news worthy for 5 years, and that I must have been abused as a child to be so "obsessed" about it. Ironically, enough, a couple of days after you made that claim, this came out: https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...be7bf8-a1cd-11e6-8832-23a007c77bb4_story.html
So, question for PSUriseANDdeny - do you think I work for the Feds, or do they have a mental problem?
You know, moronic posts like this are why you can't lose by enough on Saturday night or to any other B1G team you play. If Penn State scores 8 touchdowns Saturday night, I hope they go for 2 on the last one, idiot.
I literally didn't say this and I wouldn't say this to someone about their reasoning for something. I think it is clear that you have something wrong with you. You stand out more than about anyone I've ever read anything from on a message board which is hard to do. It's not because you seem like a solid guy. Can't even talk to someone that outright makes things up.
It's a deflection for some of them Howie...easy out for them to go there.
As a Rutgers AND Ohio State fan, you gotta let it go. I hate Penn State (as a rival but the amount of utter nastiness and unwillingness to talk about anything other than child rape when it comes to Penn State fans on this board by some posters is unreal. No one involved with the University or Football team that was tied to Sandusky is still there. I don't think I'm going out on a limb in saying every single Penn State fan thinks what happened with Sandusky is horrible.
Can't really compare Baylor to Penn State, considering there may still be players on the team with allegations against them and their entire coaching staff intact minus Briles.
I think this is actually a very likely scenario if OSU wins out. Even more so if Penn State then loses to Wisconsin in the Championship game. B12 definitely out and if Washington wins they have the 128th toughest OOC schedule which is what'll bite them, I believe. Leaves the ACC, SEC, B1G champs + OSU as the "at-large"
If Penn State wins the B1G, they're in. Not even my scarlet OSU/Rutgers colored glasses has me seeing otherwise. Doesn't mean I can't root for a Rutgers or MSU upset though.
Agreed. In what world is a 2-loss team better than a 1-loss team, especially with PSU's loss being much worse than OSU's. Head to head should only be a tiebreaker when teams have the same records.
This is why we need an 8 team play off. Hypothetically why should Ohio State go if Penn State wins out and beats Wisconsin in the B1G championship? Shouldn't a champion get in over a non champion? You can make arguments for both teams.
Well didn't we just recently just recently have a 1 loss Texas A&M above a undefeated Washington in the rankings just a couple weeks ago. Also didn't we have a 1 loss Oregon seeded above an undefeated FSU a couple years ago? So it definitely can happen.
I actually think OSU is the better team but PSU beat them head to head and that's not the only thing. In the scenario mentioned above they'd also be the B10 champion while OSU didn't even make the conference title game. I don't see how you can put OSU above PSU in that scenario. I can see both of them going in but not OSU without PSU in the scenario above. I think the same goes for Wisconsin too if they won out and became the B10 champion. I think they'd get in above OSU too and they lost to OSU by 1 score. Wisconsin would have 2 1 score losses to OSU/Michigan and would have wins against LSU/Nebraska/PSU. So I think Wisconsin would get in before OSU too even with the 2 losses and having lost to OSU. I think being the conference champion from a conference with a title game is going to carry quite a bit of weight.
IMO it would be precedent setting if OSU goes in and conference champ PSU or Wisconsin were left out assuming one of the latter 2 won out. We'll see what happens still a few weeks left.
Do you really think PSU is better than OSU? Really? Because nobody else does. Yes, PSU had a great upset win over an OSU team that played poorly, but OSU has crushed nearly everyone else they've played, while PSU has struggled mightily in most wins. And more importantly, OSU's loss to PSU is a far better loss than PSU's to Pitt, plus OSU will have beaten UM team that destroyed PSU.
I only think head to head should matter when teams have the same record and they won't here if they both win out. And if UM beats OSU, all the same logic applies and moreso, since UM will have beaten PSU head to head.
no they don't. They have the tie breaker for the B1G not for any playoff. I can't find one pundit out there who thinks PSU goes to the playoffs over OSU. Find me one......who doesn't work for BWI
I've thought about that and I think if something like what might happen this year happens enough times it will likely go to 8 sooner or later. I don't know when but I think eventually it will, 5 years, 10 years or longer who know but eventually.
My mistake, I thought you were referring to the B1G east tiebreak rules.
There's no precedent for a scenario where Penn State wins the B1G and OSU sitting out of the conference championship game with 1 loss. It'll be fascinating (and potentially infuriating) to see how it would play out if it were to happen. I don't envy the committee's position in that scenario.
We lost to pitt by 3 who just beat Clemson on the road.
If we win out, and Michigan looses on we're in big champ game against a tough Wisconsin team.
We better get out oline healthy or that's going to be a tough task.
If we win out, and Michigan looses on we're in big champ game against a tough Wisconsin team.
We better get out oline healthy or that's going to be a tough task.
I don't know that you can say a champion automatically gets in over a non champion but there's a lot of weight there which has to be overcome. PSU would have a loss to Michigan and Pitt which looks a little better. They'd also have wins against OSU and Wisconsin. So that's probably just enough of a resume to say yea they have the head to head and they have a couple solid wins and are the B10 champion.
Got to the SEC. Say the SEC East winner, possibly Florida, by some miracle beat Alabama. They're not even ranked now and there's no way you can justify keeping Alabama out. Would Florida get in over Alabama. I don't think so. Florida to date has beat no one ranked and has lost to UT and Arkansas. They'd have wins over a ranked FSU and Alabama in that scenario but they'd be coming from so far back that I don't think they would make up the ground. It's a refresh every week but can weekly refreshes pull you from out of the top 25 into the top 4 in a few weeks? PSU is at 10 now so I think that's a difference too. If PSU was a little farther back I'm not sure they'd have the chance that I think they do now.
What the Nits are doing on the field is something you can't take away from them, but what they did when children were being molested should never be forgiven and the way the cult denies what happened and who was involved should serve notice there are a lot of scumbags in the Nit fanbase.
No matter how good the Nittany Lions FB team does, it should never erase the stench
Penn St. University has because of the way they protected Sandusky and allowed him to prey on children since the PSU Administration first started paying out sexual abuse claims in the late 70s.
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