And now PSU is in the drivers seat to win the East...

[AldenT]

I don't know that you can say a champion automatically gets in over a non champion but there's a lot of weight there which has to be overcome. PSU would have a loss to Michigan and Pitt which looks a little better. They'd also have wins against OSU and Wisconsin. So that's probably just enough of a resume to say yea they have the head to head and they have a couple solid wins and are the B10 champion.

Got to the SEC. Say the SEC East winner, possibly Florida, by some miracle beat Alabama. They're not even ranked now and there's no way you can justify keeping Alabama out. Would Florida get in over Alabama. I don't think so. Florida to date has beat no one ranked and has lost to UT and Arkansas. They'd have wins over a ranked FSU and Alabama in that scenario but they'd be coming from so far back that I don't think they would make up the ground. It's a refresh every week but can weekly refreshes pull you from out of the top 25 into the top 4 in a few weeks? PSU is at 10 now so I think that's a difference too. If PSU was a little farther back I'm not sure they'd have the chance that I think they do now.

In 2014 OSU jumped an undefeated TCU at the final moment, which shows the value of the conference title. Should PSU win out and be 11-2, the committee will have to weigh the value of the conference title, what a 3-point loss to Pitt means in terms of overall record, and head-to-head where PSU beat OSU.

It's a big if that PSU wins out, but if they do, and OSU beats UM, both could go from the toughest division in college football.

 

[dclionsfan]

Mad hat

I'm not going to get in a pissing match with you, what I'm going to do is say luv you brother from another mother. Hope you have a good day.

 

[AldenT]

What the Nits are doing on the field is something you can't take away from them, but what they did when children were being molested should never be forgiven and the way the cult denies what happened and who was involved should serve notice there are a lot of scumbags in the Nit fanbase.
No matter how good the Nittany Lions FB team does, it should never erase the stench
Penn St. University has because of the way they protected Sandusky and allowed him to prey on children since the PSU Administration first started paying out sexual abuse claims in the late 70s.

Jesus. Literally none of this nonsense is true. Did you do similar research prior to voting last week?

 

[rurichdog]

We lost to pitt by 3 who just beat Clemson on the road.

If we win out, and Michigan looses on we're in big champ game against a tough Wisconsin team.

We better get out oline healthy or that's going to be a tough task.

No transitive property calling...

 

[rutgersguy1]

In 2014 OSU jumped an undefeated TCU at the final moment, which shows the value of the conference title. Should PSU win out and be 11-2, the committee will have to weigh the value of the conference title, what a 3-point loss to Pitt means in terms of overall record, and head-to-head where PSU beat OSU.

It's a big if that PSU wins out, but if they do, and OSU beats UM, both could go from the toughest division in college football.

I agree there's heavy weight there but I don't think that weight is insurmountable. It's just difficult not impossible. Like I said take that SEC hypothetical I gave. Is currently unranked but future SEC champion Florida getting in over Alabama? Not likely and probably wouldn't make the playoffs at all while Alabama still likely would. OSU jumped TCU but they were close behind. PSU also isn't so far out of the top 4. That makes a difference as well. Say PSU was at 20, I don't think they'd get in even with the weekly refreshes of resume. It's a case by case thing to me and in this case I think PSU has a good chance. Florida not so much, or if PSU was farther out probably not so much either.

 

[RUsojo]

As a Rutgers AND Ohio State fan, you gotta let it go. I hate Penn State (as a rival but the amount of utter nastiness and unwillingness to talk about anything other than child rape when it comes to Penn State fans on this board by some posters is unreal. No one involved with the University or Football team that was tied to Sandusky is still there. I don't think I'm going out on a limb in saying every single Penn State fan thinks what happened with Sandusky is horrible.

Can't really compare Baylor to Penn State, considering there may still be players on the team with allegations against them and their entire coaching staff intact minus Briles.


I think this is actually a very likely scenario if OSU wins out. Even more so if Penn State then loses to Wisconsin in the Championship game. B12 definitely out and if Washington wins they have the 128th toughest OOC schedule which is what'll bite them, I believe. Leaves the ACC, SEC, B1G champs + OSU as the "at-large"

If Penn State wins the B1G, they're in. Not even my scarlet OSU/Rutgers colored glasses has me seeing otherwise. Doesn't mean I can't root for a Rutgers or MSU upset though.

Here's the thing. You say (or PSU fans say) no one supports what's happened and it's a new regime and no one is left. That would be good because Joe Pa was culpable; the best thing that ever happened to him and Penn St is his timely death. HOWEVER, how can you say they've moved on when they still honor him in the stadium? Meanwhile, Joe Paterno branded beer climbed the charts; is that not support?

Now people say they can support him because he did some great things but the fact that they support a man who's poor transgressions were a million times worse does not reflect on them.

But if you voted for Trump his transgressions reflect on you as an individual (says the media).

It's just all very interesting. Analogy aside; the argument that everyone is gone and it's a new regime is total BS because the fans are the reason the animosity lingers. If they could move on so would everyone else.

 

[AldenT]

I agree there's heavy weight there but I don't think that weight is insurmountable. It's just difficult not impossible. Like I said take that SEC hypothetical I gave. Is currently unranked but future SEC champion Florida getting in over Alabama? Not likely and probably wouldn't make the playoffs at all while Alabama still likely would. OSU jumped TCU but they were close behind. PSU also isn't so far out of the top 4. That makes a difference as well. Say PSU was at 20, I don't think they'd get in even with the weekly refreshes of resume. It's a case by case thing to me and in this case I think PSU has a good chance. Florida not so much, or if PSU was farther out probably not so much either.

Agree with you rutgersguy.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

Hate Franklin.. snake oil guy.. covers up rape at Vandy.. claims he heard about the video involving his players and never looked at it... dude is scum.

But the players are doing it.. the OC and DC are getting it done.. Franklin is there to take credit and recruit... but he is scum. He doesn't deserve anything this team does for him.. but the players deserve it. The fans who cared more about JoePA's legacy than children.. and that is not ALL the fans.. just a good chunk.. they don't deserve this success. The rest of the fans that don't want JoePA's statue back and understand and discredit JoePA for his role.. and they have supported the school and program financially for a long time.. they deserve it. Tough spot.

 

[dclionsfan]

I don't really care about the joepa stuff. That will all work itself out. I just want to go to a good football game.

 

[psuguy43]

See my amended post. It's a year to year sport for teams not named Alabama and Ohio State. Historically? You haven't been this good in a decade. But ok pal. And not just Michigan State but Iowa. Iowa returned a lot of their team this year including their QB. How have they fared compared to their 12-0 regular season last year? If being "back" means 8-4 with a 10-2 season every 4-5 years then yes, PSU is "back".

How old are you, to think historically refers to the past 10 years?? Just wondering.

 

[G-Bake]

Here's the thing. You say (or PSU fans say) no one supports what's happened and it's a new regime and no one is left. That would be good because Joe Pa was culpable; the best thing that ever happened to him and Penn St is his timely death. HOWEVER, how can you say they've moved on when they still honor him in the stadium? Meanwhile, Joe Paterno branded beer climbed the charts; is that not support?

Now people say they can support him because he did some great things but the fact that they support a man who's poor transgressions were a million times worse does not reflect on them.

But if you voted for Trump his transgressions reflect on you as an individual (says the media).

It's just all very interesting. Analogy aside; the argument that everyone is gone and it's a new regime is total BS because the fans are the reason the animosity lingers. If they could move on so would everyone else.

It's an extremely unenviable position for the University. I don't agree with them honoring Paterno as they did back in September, but with his death, no one will ever be 100% certain on his role. Was there gross oversight on his part? Absolutely. Did he know without a doubt what Sandusky was doing? No one knows, but it doesn't excuse his negligence either. Fans cheered during his honoring in September but I also know Penn State fans that didn't agree with it. The university is trying to pay homage to his legacy for what he did for college football, I can understand that. They also removed his statue outside their stadium.

I'm in no way comparing child sexual abuse to Ray Rice's domestic violence incident, but wouldn't it be a similar scenario if opposing fan bases held that over our heads continuously and labeled everyone associated with Rutgers Football as someone who supports abusing your wife?

It's a double edged sword with people saying the fans are the reason Sandusky keeps getting brought up, but since non Penn State fans keep bringing up Sandusky, it continues to get brought up. The cycle won't stop, both sides are culpable.

 

[RUsojo]

It's an extremely unenviable position for the University. I don't agree with them honoring Paterno as they did back in September, but with his death, no one will ever be 100% certain on his role. Was there gross oversight on his part? Absolutely. Did he know without a doubt what Sandusky was doing? No one knows, but it doesn't excuse his negligence either. Fans cheered during his honoring in September but I also know Penn State fans that didn't agree with it. The university is trying to pay homage to his legacy for what he did for college football, I can understand that. They also removed his statue outside their stadium.

I'm in no way comparing child sexual abuse to Ray Rice's domestic violence incident, but wouldn't it be a similar scenario if opposing fan bases held that over our heads continuously and labeled everyone associated with Rutgers Football as someone who supports abusing your wife?

It's a double edged sword with people saying the fans are the reason Sandusky keeps getting brought up, but since non Penn State fans keep bringing up Sandusky, it continues to get brought up. The cycle won't stop, both sides are culpable.

Regarding Ray Rice, its not the same, because we have not honored him in any way, shape, or form. And have actually removed references of him in some cases. So Rutgers handling of Ray Rice is closer to the opposite of Paterno's handling than similar.

Also, Ray Rice is an individual, not a systematic failure. And on top of that his transgression did not occur while representing the university.

The question is can you pay homage to a man for what he did for college football (let's not forget he caved on those morals in the early 2000s with his roster composition) after he turned a blind eye towards child rape in his program? And lets also not forget, he was no ordinary coach, and most likely had more power from a program and institutional stand point than any other coach in college football history - and it turns out he grossly abused it.

 

[AldenT]

Regarding Ray Rice, its not the same, because we have not honored him in any way, shape, or form. And have actually removed references of him in some cases. So Rutgers handling of Ray Rice is closer to the opposite of Paterno's handling than similar.

Also, Ray Rice is an individual, not a systematic failure. And on top of that his transgression did not occur while representing the university.

The question is can you pay homage to a man for what he did for college football (let's not forget he caved on those morals in the early 2000s with his roster composition) after he turned a blind eye towards child rape in his program? And lets also not forget, he was no ordinary coach, and most likely had more power from a program and institutional stand point than any other coach in college football history - and it turns out he grossly abused it.

How did he "turn a blind eye towards child rape"? I must have missed that in the testimony and evidence. Please use facts. Thanks.

 

[RUsojo]

How did he "turn a blind eye towards child rape"? I must have missed that in the testimony and evidence. Please use facts. Thanks.

See this is exactly the problem. So sad.

 

[PSUPALY]

Regarding Ray Rice, its not the same, because we have not honored him in any way, shape, or form. And have actually removed references of him in some cases. So Rutgers handling of Ray Rice is closer to the opposite of Paterno's handling than similar.

Also, Ray Rice is an individual, not a systematic failure. And on top of that his transgression did not occur while representing the university.

The question is can you pay homage to a man for what he did for college football (let's not forget he caved on those morals in the early 2000s with his roster composition) after he turned a blind eye towards child rape in his program? And lets also not forget, he was no ordinary coach, and most likely had more power from a program and institutional stand point than any other coach in college football history - and it turns out he grossly abused it.

ummm....there was video (smoking gun) of Ray Rice clocking his fiance.

i know you don't believe this (and that's cool), but there isn't a smoking gun with Paterno....there just isn't.

but back to football, read this from Peter King today:
b. Big Ten football this fall: State of Michigan 127, Rutgers 0.

c. Michigan State, Michigan. I’m sure Central, Eastern and Western would have added to the Rutgers mayhem if given the chance.

d. Somewhere, Greg Bedard weeps.

e. Rutgers: 3-35 forever versus Penn State, Michigan, Ohio State, Nebraska, Iowa, Wisconsin.

f. Perhaps the Big Ten is not the best place for the state university of Chris Christie.

 

[AldenT]

See this is exactly the problem. So sad.

No, YOU are the problem. You said it now defend it. If that's true why wasn't he charged? Why ever roll back the sanctions? Why reduce or drop the charges against the administrators and delay delay delay their trials? If that's true that is beyond unforgivable.

Tell me how Paterno "turned a blind eye to child rape" using facts, evidence, testimony, etc. Not conjecture, not your opinion, not what you think or have been told or wish is true.

I'll wait.

 

[RUsojo]

No, YOU are the problem. You said it now defend it. If that's true why wasn't he charged? Why ever roll back the sanctions? Why reduce or drop the charges against the administrators and delay delay delay their trials? If that's true that is beyond unforgivable.

Tell me how Paterno "turned a blind eye to child rape" using facts, evidence, testimony, etc. Not conjecture, not your opinion, not what you think or have been told or wish is true.

I'll wait.

UGH SO SAD

 

[dclionsfan]

There's always the bad eggs

 

[lyndj]

Hate Franklin.. snake oil guy.. covers up rape at Vandy.. claims he heard about the video involving his players and never looked at it... dude is scum.

But the players are doing it.. the OC and DC are getting it done.. Franklin is there to take credit and recruit... but he is scum. He doesn't deserve anything this team does for him.. but the players deserve it. The fans who cared more about JoePA's legacy than children.. and that is not ALL the fans.. just a good chunk.. they don't deserve this success. The rest of the fans that don't want JoePA's statue back and understand and discredit JoePA for his role.. and they have supported the school and program financially for a long time.. they deserve it. Tough spot.

I started out typing a whole diatribe about this but then deleted it and figure I would just tell you that your comments are dumb and ignorant and reflective of a person who thinks they know about things they haven't even bothered to research. Your primary motive is just to get a rise out of a PSU fan because obviously your brethren seem to already be in agreement with you. So, I'll just comment on your perceived notion of Franklin being a snake-oil salesman and leave you with this:

Snake-oil salesmen is what people who fail call successful people because of their own insecurities. Franklin is scum in your own imagination as no one who actually knows him would agree with you. Franklin sold his recruits on the same dream Ash is attempting to sell his. The difference is Ash can't flip Franklin's recruits, and Franklin is a lot closer to fulfilling those dreams, even if it doesn't happen this year.

I hope your fanbase turns out for the senior class--Darius, who seems to be a great young man and I wish him the best in the future (except Saturday, of course), and the other seniors deserve that. Oh, and if we are leading by a whole lot in the 3rd quarter, Franklin will put in his next string because, regardless of what you may think you know about him, he doesn't believe in running up the score for the sake of it, but if his subs can score then so be it, they need the reps.

Good luck vs Maryland!

 

[G-Bake]

I apologize for trying to give a fair, objective thought. God forbid we all stop talking about child sexual abuse every time Penn State comes up on this board and talk about football instead.

 

[Howie'81]

Do you really think PSU is better than OSU? Really? Because nobody else does. Yes, PSU had a great upset win over an OSU team that played poorly, but OSU has crushed nearly everyone else they've played, while PSU has struggled mightily in most wins. And more importantly, OSU's loss to PSU is a far better loss than PSU's to Pitt, plus OSU will have beaten UM team that destroyed PSU.

I only think head to head should matter when teams have the same record and they won't here if they both win out. And if UM beats OSU, all the same logic applies and moreso, since UM will have beaten PSU head to head.

Who cares what anyone else thinks. I was at the game and saw Ohio State get beat by Penn State with my own two eyes. And it was well earned.

Yes, did you see how mightily PSU struggled against Iowa, the same Iowa that bested Michigan Saturday night? We were just lucky to beat the Hawkeyes 41 - 14.

 

[lyndj]

UGH SO SAD

He won't defend it because he can't. This fanbase knows so little about what is happening with this case, they are scratching and clawing at what they hear in the media-and that's fine. While BWI can drive me insane at times, there is a lot of information about the entire case that people with a heck of a lot more intimate knowledge of the situation (people who were around during that time) discuss there that isn't being discussed in the media. I don't know what the outcome will be anymore than anyone else and I have no vested interest in how it turns out, nor will it have an impact on what is happening at the school today, but it's been 5 years with no trial of the administrators. Prosecution has already dropped some charges and they appear to be having difficulty building a case. Even McQ's whistleblower suit went to trial before that. When and if they go to trial, that's when I'll make a judgment on how culpable they are. Until then, they have a right to live their lives as innocent people just like everybody else. I would feel the same if it happened at Rutgers. When RU players were charged last year, I thought the accusations were horrible and not representative of a college student but didn't consider them guilty unless they plead guilty or went to trial and was found guilty. I haven't followed it much since then (sorry, it wasn't an obsession of mine) so I don't know their outcome.
Since I mentioned it, what was the outcome?

 

[BoogieKnight]

How old are you, to think historically refers to the past 10 years?? Just wondering.

I'm 38. I remember when PSU was national champs in 1986. Vividly. My grandparents lived about an hour south of State College. I have collector item Coke bottles from that national championship that my grandparents gave me somewhere in my basement with my old sports memorabilia. I remember the '95 Rose Bowl vividly as well. So I remember when Penn State WAS a top contender for the national championship year in and year out. It hasn't been that way in quite some time though, no? Correct me if I'm wrong. The last time PSU had a LEGIT late season chance to win a national title as I recall was in '97 when they lost that game to Michigan at home in November. Please don't say 2005. Texas and USC...who was on another level at that time...played in that epic title game and LSU was in the midst of 2 national title runs. Although PSU did have a great season. Still validates my point. 2005, 2008, 2016. Lots of solid but not great years in between those really great ones.

 

[kjb32812]

I'm 38. I remember when PSU was national champs in 1986. Vividly. My grandparents lived about an hour south of State College. I have collector item Coke bottles from that national championship that my grandparents gave me somewhere in my basement with my old sports memorabilia. I remember the '95 Rose Bowl vividly as well. So I remember when Penn State WAS a top contender for the national championship year in and year out. It hasn't been that way in quite some time though, no? Correct me if I'm wrong. The last time PSU had a LEGIT late season chance to win a national title as I recall was in '97 when they lost that game to Michigan at home in November. Please don't say 2005. Texas and USC...who was on another level at that time...played in that epic title game and LSU was in the midst of 2 national title runs. Although PSU did have a great season.

The ones with the white lions on them? Have them too.

2005 was one hell of a team and they were a top contender. Hard to say they weren't considering they were 11-1 and finished #3. They also weren't even ranked until five games into the season. One of my favorite PSU teams.

 

[BoogieKnight]

The ones with the white lions on them? Have them too.

2005 was one hell of a team and they were a top contender. Hard to say they weren't considering they were 11-1 and finished #3. They also weren't even ranked until five games into the season. One of my favorite PSU teams.

Yes, they were very good and you should be proud of that team. But they were not at dynasty USC level (who really was?) while LSU was in the midst of their 5 year run that yielded two arguable national championships. And of course, Vince Young and Texas obviously were able to play with USC as well. Just my opinion. Listen, I root for FSU who lost to PSU in that bowl game and FSU was admittedly nowhere near USC, Texas or LSU at that time. I felt Penn State's 1997 team had a legit shot because they had OSU and UM at home but blew that game at home vs. Michigan badly. Of course Michigan and Nebraska would go on to split the NC that year. Hate to say it but from an outsider point of view, the days of PSU stringing together consecutive legit top 10 teams year after year seems to have ended when Sandusky retired. Seems to from a perception standpoint. I'd have to look back and check to be sure.

 

[Howie'81]

Yes, they were very good and you should be proud of that team. But they were not at dynasty USC level (who really was?) while LSU was in the midst of their 5 year run that yielded two arguable national championships. And of course, Vince Young and Texas obviously were able to play with USC as well. Just my opinion. Listen, I root for FSU who lost to PSU in that bowl game and FSU was admittedly nowhere near USC, Texas or LSU at that time. I felt Penn State's 1997 team had a legit shot because they had OSU and UM at home but blew that game at home vs. Michigan badly. Of course Michigan and Nebraska would go on to split the NC that year. Hate to say it but from an outsider point of view, the days of PSU stringing together consecutive legit top 10 teams year after year seems to have ended when Sandusky retired. Seems to from a perception standpoint. I'd have to look back and check to be sure.

True, but it wasn't Sandusky retiring. It was Joe growing out of his prime. I never said he should retire, but a lot of messes could have been avoided had he retired 5 or 10 years earlier. After the 2005 season would have been a fine time to call it a career. Go out on a very high note and PSU could have brought in a really big name to replace him if they so chose.

 

[BoogieKnight]

True, but it wasn't Sandusky retiring. It was Joe growing out of his prime. I never said he should retire, but a lot of messes could have been avoided had he retired 5 or 10 years earlier. After the 2005 season would have been a fine time to call it a career. Go out on a very high note and PSU could have brought in a really big name to replace him if they so chose.

Agree with you 100%.

 

[MADHAT1]

In 2014 OSU jumped an undefeated TCU at the final moment, which shows the value of the conference title. Should PSU win out and be 11-2, the committee will have to weigh the value of the conference title, what a 3-point loss to Pitt means in terms of overall record, and head-to-head where PSU beat OSU.

It's a big if that PSU wins out, but if they do, and OSU beats UM, both could go from the toughest division in college football.

I beleive you made a good point and by taking the B1G Championship with a victory over the Buckeyes I think Penn St has a good chance to be picked over Ohio St
if the #4 playoff spot comes down to choseing between OSU & PSU.
Also feel Wisconsin might have a chance as well, it that school takes the B1G Title.
finishing it's regular season 10-2 and winning the B1G championship game making the badgers 11-2 overall.

 

[RU848789]

Who cares what anyone else thinks. I was at the game and saw Ohio State get beat by Penn State with my own two eyes. And it was well earned.

Yes, did you see how mightily PSU struggled against Iowa, the same Iowa that bested Michigan Saturday night? We were just lucky to beat the Hawkeyes 41 - 14.

In addition to being a pathetic JoePa/Sandusky apologist, you're a complete moron with no ability to reason. It's impossible to look at PSU's performance vs. OSU's performance and not conclude that OSU has been far more dominant of other teams, including against B1G teams and OOC foes.

The cumulative B1G scores have been 249-179 for PSU vs. B1G opponents vs. 295-90 for OSU vs. B1G opponents - huge advantage to OSU. And OSU dominated its OOC schedule, including a blowout of top 15 Oklahoma, whereas PSU struggled against Temple and lost to Pitt. Of course, PSU beat OSU, which counts for a lot, but doesn't outweigh the OSU dominance in almost every other game and OSU only losing 1 game, as opposed to 2. Even Penn Live thinks PSU has no shot at going in over OSU.

http://www.pennlive.com/pennstatefootball/index.ssf/2016/11/why_penn_states_college_footba.html

 

[brgRC90]

Penn State probably wouldn't get past the Big Ten championship game. They beat Ohio State with a miracle and got trashed by Michigan. They're just not that good.

 

[Howie'81]

In addition to being a pathetic JoePa/Sandusky apologist, you're a complete moron with no ability to reason. It's impossible to look at PSU's performance vs. OSU's performance and not conclude that OSU has been far more dominant of other teams, including against B1G teams and OOC foes.

The cumulative B1G scores have been 249-179 for PSU vs. B1G opponents vs. 295-90 for OSU vs. B1G opponents - huge advantage to OSU. And OSU dominated its OOC schedule, including a blowout of top 15 Oklahoma, whereas PSU struggled against Temple and lost to Pitt. Of course, PSU beat OSU, which counts for a lot, but doesn't outweigh the OSU dominance in almost every other game and OSU only losing 1 game, as opposed to 2. Even Penn Live thinks PSU has no shot at going in over OSU.

http://www.pennlive.com/pennstatefootball/index.ssf/2016/11/why_penn_states_college_footba.html

What a jackass! I can only hope we lay about 63 on you jerks.

 

[RU848789]

And you're a ho

What a jackass!

I see you've resorted to childish name calling, which is what the mentally weak do when they have no argument to make. Thanks for conceding. Troll.

 

[Howie'81]

I see you've resorted to childish name calling, which is what the mentally weak do when they have no argument to make. Thanks for conceding. Troll.

You resort to Sandusky when talking football. Not only are you a simpleton, but a complete ignoramus asshole. Live with it pal.

 

[RU848789]

You resort to Sandusky when talking football. Not only are you a simpleton, but a complete ignoramus asshole. Live with it pal.

So, I see you're looking to leave this site with a bang. I resort to Sandusky when talking to you, the biggest troll on this board, given your unapologetic, bury your head in the sand approach to the scandal. I engage with many other PSU fans without bringing up "Ped State" (in fact, this may be the first time I've used that term), but you don't deserve that courtesy, as you're the kind of cultist that gives cults a bad name. And you're a friggin' moron to boot, as evidenced by your complete inability to refute any of my football points on OSU vs. PSU.

 

[Judge Smails]

And you're a friggin' moron to boot, as evidenced by your complete inability to refute any of my football points on OSU vs. PSU.

Can I take this one?

58-0.

 

[psuKinger]

Of course your AD won't be writing an apology concerning behavior. With PSU, we are talking about a school who not only wasn't gracious in accepting the minimal punishment that the NCAA doled out for what Sports Illustrated has called the greatest scandal in the history of college football, but you actually sued the NCAA to get the vacated wins restored. Apologize for putting football ahead of the welfare of dozen of young boys? - Never!!, not at "We Are Pedophile State."

Your President Barron won't be issuing any apologies, either. The poor girl who was sexually assaulted by Jameis Winston when Barron was at FSU is still awaiting one, so if he doesn't apologize for that, I'm sure that he won't be apologizing for the behavior of any fans.

And to remember how PSUers were the self righteous bunch back in the days when those "thugs" from Miami would regularly beat you ... oh, the irony!

Oops, I forgot that this is all "old" news, nothing new has been reported with this situation for almost a full week.
http://www.sbnation.com/college-foo...te-fine-education-department-sandusky-scandal

If any of this is true, it could have been proven in the court of law, the Cornman lawsuit wouldn't have suceeded, and the sanctions wouldn't have been unturned.

They didn't WANT to overturn their ruling. There wasn't a public outcry for that. If anything, it was generally an UNPOPULAR decision, nationally, when it was made.

But the lawsuit was successful, because there wasn't a massive coverup. Jerry acted alone. But you can believe what you want..... I'm sure you will.

Good luck on Saturday.....

 

[valkabit]

This thread makes me want to throw up. ____ psu

 

[ruready4somefootball]

Can we piss on their parade?

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

I started out typing a whole diatribe about this but then deleted it and figure I would just tell you that your comments are dumb and ignorant and reflective of a person who thinks they know about things they haven't even bothered to research. ...BLAH BLAH BLAH

Like Franklin, you are a liar. You said you deleted a "whole diatribe", then you launch into one.

Vandy players happy Franklin left.. because he is a disingenuous liar

James Franklin admits to being a liar (about seeing the Vandy rape video because it was more advantageous to say so)

Of course there is more.. but that is the lack of character stuff that you Penn State folk seem immune to while the team is winning. Yeah, sure, the man is scum.. but he is winning and that makes him our scum.

You know what's really funny? After the Pitt loss, sooo many PSU fans wanted Fanklin GONE... and now.. he is the second coming of JoePA. I couldn't agree more.