Neither do teams who don't win a game in an entire season.
And now PSU is in the drivers seat to win the East...
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Neither do teams who don't win a game in an entire season.
Try to keep up. The Committee rankings do not take the silly polls into account. It's totally the Committee's ranking. The Committee never had them at 25. Their first ranking had PSU at 12.
When being "clever" goes wrong.
Yep, I guess a team that won no games wouldn't be in the playoff. Anymore cutting insights?
Even if that happened, you still would be outscored 185 - 0 by OSU, UM, and MSU. Maybe some day you can take some joy in your own team winning a few games.
Especially since we've heard all year how the B1G East is the toughest division in college football.
PSU in position to win the East. Rutgers stadium is packed with PSU fans, the entire town can hear "we r penn state we r penn state". But Rutgers has installed plays just for this game. Wild cat, direct snaps to Martin, tight end goes, and to the shock and horror of PSU fans Rutgers wins! Rutgers wins! Well I can dream anyway
And Rutgers wins the Big Ten lol. Well somebody would be screwed. The NCAA cares about eyeballs on TVs, merchandise sold and ticket revenue more than it cares about the best teams. Remember that one year Boise St. and TCU were in the conversation? Great, we'll have you guys go to the kids table and play each other while the adults handle their business.
I was just saying last week it's hard to find a scenario where 2 teams from 1 conference get in especially one that didn't make the title game but taking a little bit of a closer look, OSU might actually make that scenario come to fruition. I thought it would take a close loss championship game loser but OSU might be able to do it.
They're likely going to move up to #2 this weekend with all of 2, 3, 4 losing. If they win out which would include a win over Michigan how do they get pushed out of the top 4. Maybe pushed out of #2 but out of the top 4? OSU would have wins against Wisconsin, Nebraska, Oklahoma and Michigan all with a good chance to finish the season ranked. They're one loss would be a close fluky one on the road at B10 champ highly ranked PSU (assuming this scenario played out).
Can you keep OSU out with that resume? I don't think you can. I also don't think you can keep PSU out either if they win the B10 plus their close Pitt loss looks better yesterday after Pitt's win at Clemson too. So that would mean you're likely keeping 2 out of the 3 (ACC, PAC12, B12) from the playoffs. I'd guess the PAC12/B12 would be left out. Gonna be an interesting last few weeks. Will it clear up or become more muddled?
They're likely going to move up to #2 this weekend with all of 2, 3, 4 losing. If they win out which would include a win over Michigan how do they get pushed out of the top 4. Maybe pushed out of #2 but out of the top 4? OSU would have wins against Wisconsin, Nebraska, Oklahoma and Michigan all with a good chance to finish the season ranked. They're one loss would be a close fluky one on the road at B10 champ highly ranked PSU (assuming this scenario played out).
Can you keep OSU out with that resume? I don't think you can. I also don't think you can keep PSU out either if they win the B10 plus their close Pitt loss looks better yesterday after Pitt's win at Clemson too. So that would mean you're likely keeping 2 out of the 3 (ACC, PAC12, B12) from the playoffs. I'd guess the PAC12/B12 would be left out. Gonna be an interesting last few weeks. Will it clear up or become more muddled?
Michigan State was in the playoff last year and look at them this year. This is a very year to year sport for teams who are not named Alabama and Ohio State. For example, we thought after 2006 we'd keep going on an upward trajectory and despite keeping several All-American players and future high NFL draft picks, we went 8-5 in 2007 and 2008. S#it happens.
Listen, Franklin's doing a good job. No doubt about it. But other teams will not sit still while only Penn State gets better. That said, PSU fans should be enjoying this season and the job Franklin is doing.
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Say what you all want about PSU and all the same old BS about the past. I root against them every step of the way, and been for decades. Fact is, though, we are sadly irrelevant, our sour grapes and jealousy is getting very old....but I guess we have nothing original to post.
A one loss OSU is not falling out of the top 4...PSU is going to have to beat another conference champ out likely a team with only one loss....OSU will be 2 this week...bbeating Michigan solidifies their position
I'd love to see OSU face off against PSU in the playoff. I think it would be good for the conference and I'm confident at a neutral site we would not see the same result that we saw in Happy Valley.
MSU was senior-laden and lost a ton of talent and leadership. PSU has 4 senior starters, zero at the skill positions. Completely different situation.
PSU rose to this position and isn't going anywhere. He's coaching and recruiting well.
We thought the same thing in 2006. In 2007, we returned our QB, an All-American RB in Ray Rice, an all-American DT in Eric Foster, 3/5 of our OL and added the best scholastic OL prospect in the country and future top 10 pick Anthony Davis. We returned Kenny Britt and the McCourty brothers and had the best recruiting class in our history up to that point.
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Why? Did you have only 4 senior starters in 2006? I know it runs counter to your core beliefs or wishes but PSU is back to and will stay where they have historically been.
See my amended post. It's a year to year sport for teams not named Alabama and Ohio State. Historically? You haven't been this good in a decade. But ok pal. And not just Michigan State but Iowa. Iowa returned a lot of their team this year including their QB. How have they fared compared to their 12-0 regular season last year? If being "back" means 8-4 with a 10-2 season every 4-5 years then yes, PSU is "back".
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We were 8-1 in 2012. Top 10 in 08 and 09. So, not so much. I agree we've been a mostly 8-4 sort of team for 15 years with a few better or worse, but we were never Rutgers-level bad. Maybe we won't live up to the hype next year and pre-season top 10 ranking. I doubt we will be a 2 win team though.
Iowa hit the lottery last year, they played no one and every bounce went their way until the CCG. And Ferentz always plays not to lose and to make the other team make mistakes. That's not at all what Franklin does. He's a much better coach and recruiter.
Hanging your hat on "yeah but you won't be this good next year" is almost as sad as clinging to a team 10 years ago that didn't even win its own conference.
Agree with most of your post but who said you were going to be a 2-win team? When were you ever? And PSU hasn't won the conference yet. You could still end up like we did in 2006. I'm not saying you won't be as good next year. In fact, I'm saying you could be even better but your record may not reflect that. Happens to nearly everyone all over the country every year. Injuries, scheduling, hell the bounce of the ball or a play here and there can be the difference between 10-2 vs. 8-4.
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I don't understand how PSU is in the drivers seat. Here are the rules for the B1G Division championship
The following procedure will determine the representative from each division in the event of a tie:
(a) If two teams are tied, the winner of the game between the two tied teams shall be the representative.
(b) If three or more teams are tied, steps 1 through 6 will be followed until a determination is made. If only two teams remain tied after any step, the winner of the game between the two tied teams shall be the representative.
1. The records of the three tied teams will be compared against each other.
2. The records of the three tied teams will be compared within their division.
3. The records of the three teams will be compared against the next highest placed teams in their division in order of finish (4, 5, 6, and 7).
4. The records of the three teams will be compared against all common conference opponents.
5. The team with the best overall winning percentage [excluding exempted games] shall be the representative.
6. The representative will be chosen by random draw.
Assume PSU, tOSU and UM all tie for 1st (i.e. tOSU beats UM)
First tie breaker is comparing records. OSU would be the winner as UM and PSU would have 2 losses each. tOSU only 1.
The following procedure will determine the representative from each division in the event of a tie:
(a) If two teams are tied, the winner of the game between the two tied teams shall be the representative.
(b) If three or more teams are tied, steps 1 through 6 will be followed until a determination is made. If only two teams remain tied after any step, the winner of the game between the two tied teams shall be the representative.
1. The records of the three tied teams will be compared against each other.
2. The records of the three tied teams will be compared within their division.
3. The records of the three teams will be compared against the next highest placed teams in their division in order of finish (4, 5, 6, and 7).
4. The records of the three teams will be compared against all common conference opponents.
5. The team with the best overall winning percentage [excluding exempted games] shall be the representative.
6. The representative will be chosen by random draw.
Assume PSU, tOSU and UM all tie for 1st (i.e. tOSU beats UM)
First tie breaker is comparing records. OSU would be the winner as UM and PSU would have 2 losses each. tOSU only 1.
Yeah, it kind of does. IF Ohio State wins that game, Penn State controls its own destiny. That's all "driver's seat" means, after all.
you are not PSU/tOSU/UM... your coach left.. you were good at best and might be in the future. A weak conference hid a lot of flaws (ie you could never consistently throw the ball outside of Teel and Schiano was a horrible gameday coach)
Could PSU struggle next year.. yea.. but our 2018 class is gonna be MONSTER GOOD.. we have not 1 but 2 capable QB's, 3 AA RB's, and young DL that is is 10 deep.-sg
Conference records. If OSU beats UM and PSU wins out, they are both 8-1 in the conference and PSU owns the head-to-head.
There is no way all three can tie. They all have one loss in conference and OSU and UM still have to play. Michigan control everything. They win out and they go to the championship based on head to head with Penn State. Penn State needs Michigan to lose one more and win out.
Ohio State Penn State to lose one more and win out.
Look to say you'll be on top from here on out is a bit of a stretch. Your really only a player away from being relegated back to mediocre/decent. It's different from year to year, players get hurt. Say you lose Barkley(who your coach is riding into the ground) or McSorely for the year(kids like a Timex Watch he takes a licken but keeps on ticken). Do you really see psu maintaining this level of play? I can't.
yes.. we will have sick talent rolling in.. we will lose games as tOSU and UM are just as good if not better, but we will get ours.. it's up to RU to get theirs.. and Ash was a cheap hire in a tough situation.. the odds of him getting you consistently good are very low.
Just as important.. we can JUDGE TALENT.. we know what guys to take.. that is being proven already. We have a high dollar staff that is earning its money.-sg
Our coach left after 2006? Really? LOL. And you are not tOSU/UM. And please don't respond to me. You lose all credibility saying Schiano left Rutgers after the 2006 season. I'm making the point that while we may have been better on paper in 2007, our record wasn't as good. Of course this could NEVER happen to Penn State. Ever. Because they were national champions 30 years ago. I get it.
Behind Barkley is the kid who broke McCoys rushing records at McDevitt and the top RB in the nation last year. Saquon is special, but we can more than manage with his replacements.
Trace is a baller, but Tommy is just as fast and twice the size. Again, there would probably be drop off...but not all that much. This stuff is why people on your board are obsessed with recruiting. You want your backups to be 4 star players.
One thing that isn't being mentioned here is how young our offensive line still is. We're starting two freshmen on a line that's about to go 10-2. Guys like Michal Menet and Will Fries are redshirting the year and getting stronger. In a few years, it's going to be real tough to get into our backfield.
You do realize RU is broke right? It's probably the only hire we could afford. In case you forgot we only received $11.6 million from the B1G. Plus I highly doubt you have another Barkley sitting on the bench. He's a top 10 1st rd pick if he could come out this year. Thanks for the blue colored glasses view point though. It was quite uninformative.
Uh, Miles Sanders is Barkley's backup and was the best RB in the nation coming out of high school last year. 3rd string merely a 4-star redshirt frosh....
The qb competition is close. I'd be fine with Stevens or either or the 4-star guys behind him. Are you seeing a pattern here? This is what depth can do.
Actually, that's what YOUR fans have been saying up until this year.
Truth of the matter is that Franklin is clueless, but Morehead is a very good coach. Look forward to someone hiring him away ... unless of course you think he may become like your old DC, forget his name, and stay 30 years, lol.
No one is overlooking them. Or Rutgers. Or anyone.
MSU is 7-13 against PSU since we've both been in the Big 10. That includes our worst run ever and their best in 50 years.
People keep throwing that out there that Ash was a cheap hire. I don't see that at all. He was a run of the mill hire for any program similar to ours. Coordinators and mid majors HCs will get about his salary when they step up into the P5. Both can be successful or failures, I've given the examples many times here before and you can find good solid coaches from both pools. It's a matter of identifying the right guy and that's easier said then done. Aranda was my favorite but I wasn't dissatisfied with the Ash choice.
Whatever it is we weren't spending 4M+ on a coach and even spending that guarantees you nothing. How many teams in the SEC spend that and they all can't be winners. It definitely looks bad now but it's too early to write any book on Ash or even much of a chapter until he gets more of his stamp on the roster.
I agree we shouldn't overlook MSU or even you guys at your stadium in a night game. But we have MSU at home, and we are hard to beat at home. We have a chance to beat anyone at home other than probably Alabama.
We will see, but the comittee is supposed to weigh all factors. Including that your win was fluky, on your home field, at night, after a bye. The second week in a row that we faced the same situation.
Also that you have more loses and you do not have as strong a resume as us. We beat 2 top 10 teams on their home field in night games, one dominating win over a top 10 at home, michigan would give us 4 wins over top 10 ranked teams. I expect us to be #2 this week, and as long as we roll the next two weeks and win out i don't see us dropping to #5 with our resume, SOS, and how we are playing right now.
Of course al this is moot if we do not win out and _ichigan is going to be a tough game.
Truth of the matter to whom? An internet warrior like you? Franklin is so clueless that's why he hired Moorhead in the first place.
We have a path to the college football playoff and you yank your little crank thinking about ways to bring up child abuse to try to win an argument on a football message board.
