They weigh all factors, but not equally. They give more weight to conference champions who win their Title Game and Head 2 Head. Plus PSU will have beaten the #2 team (you guys) on our resume. So keep winning and good luck against Michigan! I'm rooting for you guys.
And now PSU is in the drivers seat to win the East...
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You guys bickering, you will be gracious fans right? In the likely event that the score is Penn State-60 Rutgers-0 there won't be spitting matches? It is a family event and little kids will be there.
Lol...doesn't matter. With Pitt's win against Clemson and now 2 top 10 teams, that's not a bad loss for us. Sorry buddy....
Penn State fans travel well and are gracious visitors and hosts. Every fan base has a GSGS in the crowd, but our AD won't be writing an apology letter to your school about our behavior anytime soon.
Thank you for the informative post. Barkley's a beast. There's a reason your O coordinator is running him into the ground. He simply can make his own yards. Plenty of top HIGH SCHOOL running backs fail once they hit a college field. We just had one of those a few years back.
Congratulations on the great season your having. We're in a tough spot and the road ahead looks bleak for next year. If Ash isn't the answer I'm afraid we might just start the process of the revolving rolodex of coaching hires. It sucks right now we're broke, but in 2021 if Ash can't do it hopefully the school for the 1st time in it's life opens up the check book. However, I have a gut feeling we're just in this to cash paychecks.
Whatever helps you sleep at night, but Franklin just brought Vandy to unprecedented success and pulled PSU out of sanction depth by his third season in back to back gigs.
He's said since the beginning that he's a CEO as head coach. Figurehead, recruiter, motivator, face of the program. He recruits the most talented players, and surrounds himself with talented and experienced coaches to develop them. It's why our OC has head coaching experience, our OL has OC experience, and our DB has DC experience. It may not be as flashy as giving a 26 year old intern control of your offense, but the system works.
I sure hope Moorhead sticks around for a while, but we'll be fine if he doesn't. People though Shoop leaving last year would be the end of the world too lol.
Eh, I'm kinda glad he did. That loss taught our team a lot about playing through adversity. Players always mention it when they're asked about our comeback wins this year.
He'll just keep moving the goalposts. "Yeah but Alabama is going to kill you". It's hilarious and pathetic.
I may be an "internet warrior", but it's obvious that your not. You attached the wrong post to your response above, one from one of your fellow pedophile lovers.
That's how I've always seen him and Fleck too. Not a fan of that model in general and I always get that used car salesman feel from these 2 in particular. I didn't realize that's what he does though with regards to hiring coaches. Hiring good assistants is instrumental for that type of coach especially IMO. Moorehead is a solid hire but how experienced was the guy before him? I don't know. I did think losing Shoop would hurt but I think the addition of Moorhead and the improved offense with Barkley has probably helped neutralize some of that.
I agree with you a 100%, it would have been nice. But the loss doesn't affect our Big 10 Title and Playoff Chances. We would still need OSU to beat Michigan. If we would have beaten Pitt, in any scenario with Michigan winning out, they would have the tie breaker against us and OSU. Also, Michigan's loss was cross divisional, so that's tiebreaker #2. Again, the loss doesn't matter one bit when it comes to our chances for the Big 10 Title and Playoffs. Sorry Buddy.....
A lot of ifs there, and its not a given that the B1G will get a team into the playoffs under that scenario.
Beating #2 OSU and their overall strength of schedule (look what Pitt and Iowa just did) is most likely the reason. Only losses to Pitt and Michigan and wins over good teams - Temple, OSU, Minnesota, Iowa for example.
simply replied to why I think PSU has a bright future.. from reading HERE it appears that Ash never gets this turned around.. if not PSU it will be MSU, tOSU, UM, and a much improved Indiana that might drive the stake thru his coaching careeer.-sg
I agree. You guys can spoil all this on Saturday. But it's just nice to be in the conversation.
Um, to be fair, Franklin hired Donovan to be OC first. So kudos for making a change to Moorehead but knocking Ash for bringing in a "26 year old intern" is not only insulting it's kind of comical. If he's not getting it done after year 2 I'm sure a change will be made.
Can I ask why a Zero % chance? Is it because Rutgers will beat PSU next week? Or MSU will beat PSU at Beaver Stadium? Or Michigan will beat OSU at the Shoe? If it's all of the above, I would not say Zero, but I do agree a lot still needs to happen.
What we would see a second time around doesn't matter. I've never liked that reasoning even when it benefited my team. Whoever wins, wins.
So Franklin doesn't get credit for making a great hire? Hope you're not a business person.
I can't believe I'm saying this but I don't really care about the PITT loss anymore. What has happened since that game has been unbelievable and if I could be where Penn State is today or flip that PITT game and then be where PITT is today, I wouldn't change a thing. No way people on here could realize just how miraculous a job our DC has done.
What? Barkley has 200 carries in 10 games and has only carried the ball over 25x in two games. One was against Maryland when he went for over 200 yards and the other was yesterday when our QB was on a bum ankle.
Saquon isn't being run into the ground.
One because you have two losses.
Two because one of them was by like 50
Three because if Michigan beats OSU they are going
Four because if OSU beats Michigan they are going.
Five you really aren't that good. Playoff teams don't need OT to beat Minnesota or Goal line stands to beat Indiana. Your O has played better and team is vastly improved nuts it's the Saquon show.
Six you would lose to Wisconsin by three TD's in Indy
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One because you have two losses.
The Big 10 Champion who wins their title game has a good chance to get into the playoffs.
Two because one of them was by like 50
Same as above, the playoff committee values a conference champion who wins their title game.
Three because if Michigan beats OSU they are going
Agreed!
Four because if OSU beats Michigan they are going.
Sorry, we have the tiebreaker against OSU
Five you really aren't that good. Playoff teams don't need OT to beat Minnesota or Gold line stands to beat Indiana. Your Onhas played better and team is vastly improved nuts it's the Saquon show.
Could be true, but your opinion of us doesn't matter. The playoff committee thinks we are the #10 team, and on Tuesday, #8 team in the country.
Six you would lose to Wisconsin by three TD's in Indy
Could be true, but at least we have a path to the playoffs if we make the Big 10 title game, let alone a ZERO percent chance like you are saying.
The Big 10 Champion who wins their title game has a good chance to get into the playoffs.
Two because one of them was by like 50
Same as above, the playoff committee values a conference champion who wins their title game.
Three because if Michigan beats OSU they are going
Agreed!
Four because if OSU beats Michigan they are going.
Sorry, we have the tiebreaker against OSU
Five you really aren't that good. Playoff teams don't need OT to beat Minnesota or Gold line stands to beat Indiana. Your Onhas played better and team is vastly improved nuts it's the Saquon show.
Could be true, but your opinion of us doesn't matter. The playoff committee thinks we are the #10 team, and on Tuesday, #8 team in the country.
Six you would lose to Wisconsin by three TD's in Indy
Could be true, but at least we have a path to the playoffs if we make the Big 10 title game, let alone a ZERO percent chance like you are saying.
OMG the Penn State fans are such pleasant people I can't wait to be around 10,000 of them next weekend.
You have no path. Thinking you do is you opinion. You don't have a tie breaker over OSU for the playoffs.
Yes they like conference champions but not ones with two losses. Off top of my head
Bama
Clemson
Washington
OSU
Michigan
LVille
All get nod over you
Even if this were true (it's not), what's the implication? That we have to "settle" for the Rose Bowl?
Haha I'll take it...
Thread has been pretty civil IMO. You have one RU instigator and some PSU guys who have responded in-kind.
I'm glad you are not on the committee or else we would be out. But we will be the #8 team in the country on Tuesday according to folks who matter. I will not go back and forth with you. If you say we have Zero Chance, then I'll accept your opinion. Cheers to a good and injury free game on Saturday!
This wasn't about your rose bowl chances. It was about the fact you aren't going to playoffs. Won't be going to rose bowl either though.
Wrong...your anti PSU bias has dilluted your objectivity. Yes OSU goes before them but there are scenerios where both OSU and PSU get to the playoffs where its not that far fetched...longshot moreso than that but the constant shitting on PSU is comical. They are having an excellent season by any standards. You thought Rutgers was going to a bowl after losing 78-0 so one can question your reality
Please name me a scenario where both PSU and OSU make the playoffs. A real scenario and then let me know what you would like to bet. The B1G has no chance of two teams when one of them has two losses. Especially a trouncing by Michigan
You will need to beat MSU first. Might not be as easy as once believed.
We win out, Ohio State wins out and Louisville loses to Houston this Thursday. According to 538 we'd have a 49% chance at making the playoff which is the forth highest %.
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-college-football-predictions/
I don't expect this to happen but I didn't expect Iowa to win last night either so who knows.
Under "normal" circumstances I'd say you're right but I wouldn't count out both PSU and OSU going the way this year has played out. It's ironic because just last week I was saying it's very difficult finding scenarios where that could happen (2 teams from 1 conference and one not even in the conference title game) and here we are a short time later where I think it's a solid possibility.
I gave the criteria in the other thread you started. I think whomever the B10 champ is gets in assuming it's not more than 2 losses. We know being a conference champ carries weight and it's not like the B12 without the title game which probably handicaps them more times than not.
Say PSU wins out is the B10 champ, wins against OSU and Wisconsin. Losses against Pitt which looks a little better than after the Clemson win on the road and Michigan. That in itself to me is enough because the B12 champ is going to have 2 losses as well and both are behind PSU.
I think the ACC champ should be in assuming it's either Clemson or Louisville.
OU also has a loss against Houston who is no longer ranked, worse than Pitt likely, against OSU at home, where conversely PSU beat them. Actually their last 2 games against WVU/Ok. State are their best resume builders but I don't think it will be enough. No title game either. Ok. St is further behind with losses against CMU and Baylor both not ranked. So I think we can count the B12 champion out.
So that leaves the PAC12. WSU and Utah are probably too far back to make up ground. So that leaves Colorado/Washington. Those two possibly are issues and where the question remains. I heard this morning Washington is 128 out of 128 OOC strength, that can't help.
Thing is to me that question mark comes at OSU's expense not PSU, even though I think OSU is the better team. OSU won't be the B10 champ, they're not even going to make the title game and they lost to PSU in that scenario. So I find it hard to believe they would get in above PSU. I think that would be a big precedent if they did that. We haven't been faced with that kind of scenario yet. So to me it's OSU vs. Wash/Colorado and I think OSU stacks up well in that scenario and could have a chance because their resume is very good. 4 wins against likely ranked teams at the end of the year in Wisconsin, Michigan, Nebraska and OU. One fluky close loss on the road against highly ranked B10 champ PSU.
So that to me is where the question lies. OSU's very strong resume vs. a PAC12 champ in Washington with a very weak OOC or PAC12 champ Colorado who is coming from farther back. Don't forget OSU is likely sitting at #2 at the end of this weekend. It's a refresh every week will there be enough added to Washington/Colorado's resumes to push OSU out of the top 4? That's a question.
Fluky??? Where those 6 sacks also fluky??? How about the fact that we stuffed your run game to 160 yards on 40 attempts!!
Whatever
I agree with you a 100%. I don't think this Saturday's night game in your stadium will be easy either. But we have MSU at home. We are hard to beat at home and are 6-0.
