I still wouldn't trust UT to not be prima donnas and Texas politicians to mind their own business.
B12 Expansion Is A GO
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Correct.
The Big Ten is loaded with legendary schools. The B12 just has two. ACC only has 3 for football.
It is a totally different make up. Plus Texas would make more money in the Big Ten than with their doomed LHN. No way in hell that ever gets renewed by ESPN.
Here is the link from the Yahoo site about TX politicians getting into the fray:
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ut-pre...ston-in-big-12-expansion-213418850.html?nhp=1
By way of background the UT president is a fairly recent appointee. Very much viewed as the Governor's personal choice. The long serving and well respected incumbent was seen as a little too independent for the folks that control Texas politics so he had to go.
I thought legendary schools Oklahoma and Nebraska don't get pushed around like that? Texas made more money in the Big 12 than what they earned in the Southwest Conference and that didn't stop them killing the golden goose. It's not about money for them. It's all about absolute power and control. Btw, the B1G was Ohio State and Michigan for a long time. Only recently did Wisconsin and Michigan step up and the B1G add Nebraska and PSU ([sick]) to give the league better appeal.
Not buying that argument. The Big 8 was a power conference long before Texas and Co. joined to form the Big 12. OU and NU was the game to see around Thanksgiving every year for decades. The Big 8 is the only conference to have 3 teams finish ranked nationally #1 Nebraska, #2 Oklahoma and #3 Colorado in the same year. The Big 8 threw the SWC a life line and in return Texas slowly grew in greed and power. Texas wasn't satisfied with just survive in a new conference, they wanted to return to their old ways. People are creatures of habit and Texas is no different. They are who they are... dirty to the core and no conference new or old will change that not even the B1G.
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2 Cuse fans saying Oklahoma to the big ten is imminent, posted in the last 24 hours ..... For what that is worth.....
That would be logical. It is possible that OU informed the B12 they were going to leave at some point which may have prompted the expansion talk. Who comes as a partner with OU to balance the number of teams?
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anon_ivydyf0amkzay
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If it comes from TWO cuse fans, call it a done deal then!![winking]
I'll take that with a grain of salt...but if expansion HAS to happen, Oklahoma is my team. Honestly I think you can bring along Kansas or Ok State and their T. Boone Trust fund and call that a win.
Who the heck knows what will happen.
What I DO know is that expansion talk is a frickin BLAST, especially because we can now sit back and watch everybody else scramble like monkeys to jockey for position and plead their cases.
RU is B1G!!!
What I DO know is that expansion talk is a frickin BLAST, especially because we can now sit back and watch everybody else scramble like monkeys to jockey for position and plead their cases.
RU is B1G!!!
I would be OK with Oklahoma in the B1G but not if it requires Oklahoma State as well.
The PAC12's academic mission clearly prohibits this. While the Pac12 is not as academically sound across the board as the BIG, they have the same ambitions and limitations on expansion. For those whose memories are short, the last time Larry Scott got aggressive about expansion and was courting UT and Texas Tech, it was quickly killed by the Pac12 Presidents who would have nothing to do with TT. The same is true for OU and OSU.
What I don't understand is why anyone thinks the Pac12 has any motivation to expand? You cannot name one school, other than Texas who has no partner, who would add any value to the current members.
Because people have this fantasy about 16 team super conferences and their beloved pods. That is basically the only reason.
4 team playoff of the power 4 conference champions is up there too.
Right now its a game of musical chairs for the spots.
This pod thing is driven by people who want to copy the NFL. That works well for 32 owners and not for 130 FBS and political leaders.
If Oklahoma and Kansas go to the B1G, then put them in the West and transfer Purdue to the East. But truthfully, I think the OU/KU to B1g is pure fantasy.
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Yes, thanks. Just rambling. If Big 12 expands by 4 with no extended GOR and UT/OU leave town, this was all for show in hopes of having something left after the divorce.
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anon_ivydyf0amkzay
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If the steers and land thieves leave, then the current tv deal is not worth its current value as its two ONLY anchors would be gone...ou and tx aren't leaving for a while...
and I would say even if Texas, Oklahoma left right before a new TV deal and/or end of GOR (2024 - 2025), their exit plans were very possibly hatched at this point in time, if not sooner, and the expansion is simply to bolster the conference in hopes that little brothers left behind survive in a major conference. In addition to making short term additional revenue through the length of their contract.
While we all believe today taking Texas/Okl out of the Big 12 designates the conference to a lesser status, who's to say that's accurate 9 years from now.
I like OU and Kansas in the B1G, both in the West. East can take Purdue. Better yet, the Big XII can take Purdue and the B1G can finally nail down Notre Dame. But, NEVER TEXAS - NEVER. I think it would be just dessert if no P5 conference wanted toxic Texas. I'm glad Rutgers is where they are and they don't have to sweat it anymore.
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anon_ivydyf0amkzay
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Fair enough but without tx and ou, the b12 is not a p5 conference...
Today and most likely tomorrow. However, its tough to predict the future. I guess it would be dependent on how valuable the top bowls and networks (present or future) see the Big 12 in a decade without the 2 major powers of today.
Always interested in the thoughts of the not so visible schools. Attached article on Iowa State President's take on the matters. It seems his statements are somewhat different than both Texas and Oklahoma. Houston to get a fair shake, however, is concerned about the conference being too south-centric (in other words too texas-centric). Geography is a factor unlike Boren's comments about geography. Most important are the comments about importance of an extension to the GOR.
This appears to be negotiations, or else this Conference is doomed and I'm thinking it's doomed. If that's the case, let the powers to be leave sooner than later and for the ones that are unable to currently find homes, they can re-organize/expand with eyes toward the future.
http://amestrib.com/sports/football...-fair-shake-expansion-after-prestige-programs
This appears to be negotiations, or else this Conference is doomed and I'm thinking it's doomed. If that's the case, let the powers to be leave sooner than later and for the ones that are unable to currently find homes, they can re-organize/expand with eyes toward the future.
http://amestrib.com/sports/football...-fair-shake-expansion-after-prestige-programs
Beat me to it. But there's no way the new stadium will get approved before the Big 12 wants to vote, and without the new stadium you just don't want UNLV.
BUT if going to 12 is a pit stop on the way to 16, keep an eye on UNLV. Their new coach has proved to be a very good recruiter (at least by Mountain West standards) and bringing in the New Mexico State basketball coach will bring stability to a program in desperate need of it.
Read through the thread one poster already stated this is a running joke on the cuse board making fun of someone who posted this rumor in the past.
I think a 4 team short term money grab from ESPN and Fox would only anger both Broadcasters for the future.
Don't get me wrong ESPN and Fox will honor the terms of the contract and pay the Big 12 maybe an extra $100 million per year for essentially adding 4 AAC type teams. The Big 12 could then tier the payments so that the other 10 teams get a share of the additions for the short term. Hey if the Big 12 wants money they could do an 8 team expansion and get ESPN and Fox to pony up $200 million per year and tier/structure the short term expansion to the point where Texas and Oklahoma get twice as much $$$$ per year as Ohio State and Michigan etc.(with the New Contract) until 2024-2025.
Then reality hits home. ESPN and Fox will remember that they had to pay Big Time money for a Conference that is not worth the money expenditures that they had to make. Additionally, Texas knows that their LHN contract will be coming to an end in 2031and the likely hood of renewal would be zero (unless Texas would accept maybe only $5 million per year for renewal for 20 more years).
In 2023 ESPN and Fox may say the contract for the expanded Big 12 is only worth one half of what Fox and ESPN are currently paying for the B1G contract. Remember ESPN in their negotiations with the B1G only ponied up $190 million per year and may have been prepared to "Walk Away" from the B1G Conference.
In 2023 ESPN may tell the expanded Big 12 we will only pay you $ and if you don't accept we are prepared to "Walk Away". Fox may say the same thing and the Big 12 approaches the market appeal of a glorified AAC Conference.
Maintaining a tier ladder with little $$ to no $ will not work out long term.
Texas and Oklahoma suspect this could be happening and are looking for the escape hatches either separately or in tandem (4 team deal with the Pac). At his point Texas and Oklahoma don't really trust each other (Nebraska,Texas a&m,Missouri and Colorado). Additionally, the Oklahoma politicians don't like the fact that the Texas Gov. is interfering in the Conference moves and now feel the need to protect their own State Universities (aka Oklahoma and Oklahoma State going to the SEC for example).
Texas suspects that Oklahoma and Oklahoma State may be bolting and are in their own "Double Secret" negotiations with the B1G and the ACC Conferences.
The ACC could inform Texas that Notre Dame will be joining as "full time member" in 2024 and they would like Texas to be the 16th member of the ACC Conference. Additionally, ESPN will renegotiate the LHN network into the ACC Network and Texas will be making "Significantly" more $$$$ starting in 2024 than they would have for the remaining years of the LHN. Hey WVU or UConn could be the 16th member of the ACC Conference.
The B1G will have there own story to tell Texas why they should join the B1G maybe with Kansas.
Message Boards will be filled with rumours of potential deals (maybe as early as 2020) as teams look to leave the Big 12 Conference.
Will there be an extension of the GOR's for the Big 12 Conference.
Speculation!!!!
Have to wait to see how it all plays out.
HAIL TO PITT!!!!
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OU is not AAU; therefore, it won't be invited into the B1G. KU is eligible as is TX but I really don't want the Horns in the conference, despite the additional money they would likely bring in. Too much drama and that doesn't seem to be the B1G's style.
Boise, Fresno, San Jose, UNLV add nothing to the B12. Houston makes great sense as does BYU. You have to think broad base entire sports program and even geography. Cincinnati, is a good match geographicly as is one of the Florida schools or both Florida schools. A mI've yo thr west coast isn't as attractive as one might think in looking at the schools themselves. UCONN is the wild card here with its New England/NY market potential.
For an away fb or other event where would you really want to travel.to with their ancillary alternate venues...Fresno and Boise or Boston/NYC and Florida. Aldo UCONN and the Florida schools seem to have a greater success in most sports than some of the western schools.
BYU, Houston, UCONN, Cincinnati, USF or UCF and CSU would be the best options to bring the conference up to 16 teams.
For an away fb or other event where would you really want to travel.to with their ancillary alternate venues...Fresno and Boise or Boston/NYC and Florida. Aldo UCONN and the Florida schools seem to have a greater success in most sports than some of the western schools.
BYU, Houston, UCONN, Cincinnati, USF or UCF and CSU would be the best options to bring the conference up to 16 teams.
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You let Texas into your conference at your own peril...they have 110+ years of dominance when it comes to conference business...And I can guarantee they don't want that to end. They ran the SWC and they run the B12...to their benefit...make absolutely no mistake about that.
When A&M managed to leave their side, the steers lost some of its power (just a little) but politics being what they are in Texas, they have been left in care-taker status. If UH joins the B12, you have, in essence, reconstituted 5/8 of the SWC, so I don't think the b12 is going anywhere. Texas will always make a shit ton of $$ and they relish plantation owner status. The problem is OU...they were not in the SWC so their association with Texas has been mostly OOC...except for the past 20 years. They'd be happy to go back to that model if they could GTFO.
It would be awesome if Texas could lose its third and big rival in OU...but I'm sure they'll make that work out...OU also needs its Texas presence. Arkansas and A&M, on the other hand, extend their middle digit in their direction and say "suck it"
All further conference change will be predicated on what the steers do...and how nosey the politicos get...
I'll say it again, if Texas and ou leave, the B12 will NOT be a P5 conference...
When A&M managed to leave their side, the steers lost some of its power (just a little) but politics being what they are in Texas, they have been left in care-taker status. If UH joins the B12, you have, in essence, reconstituted 5/8 of the SWC, so I don't think the b12 is going anywhere. Texas will always make a shit ton of $$ and they relish plantation owner status. The problem is OU...they were not in the SWC so their association with Texas has been mostly OOC...except for the past 20 years. They'd be happy to go back to that model if they could GTFO.
It would be awesome if Texas could lose its third and big rival in OU...but I'm sure they'll make that work out...OU also needs its Texas presence. Arkansas and A&M, on the other hand, extend their middle digit in their direction and say "suck it"
All further conference change will be predicated on what the steers do...and how nosey the politicos get...
I'll say it again, if Texas and ou leave, the B12 will NOT be a P5 conference...
AAU is not a requirement, but the preference. Oklahoma's history as an all time legend in NCAA athletics and huge national fanbase make them a very strong possibility, especially since their academics are still very good.
