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Originally posted by bac2therac:
Wrong ...Uncle Bob gave him everything he asked for...it wasn't built on donations
No, as per Greg Brown Schiano was the one who brought him in. Why is the lounge named for Motorola? And Corzine also donated personally among others.

Bob got what Schiano wanted done as did McC but Schiano was the one with the vision and was personally working with donors.

What basketball coach here ever had a donor relationship- and the former NBA President went to RU...
 


Originally posted by JPhoboken:

Ok, Tony, lets get more specific here, because all this really started about the need for a basketball practice facility. I think most of us realize a new arena or major RAC renovations, although sorely needed, will take a while.

And I think we all understand Football drives the bus and the more successful it is the more profit we will have to help fund other sports.

And I haven't heard anybody say donors and corporate sponsors will not be a major part of the solution. But, we did accept a invitation to join a conference who has a charter for excellence in both academics and athletics. So, although fans have no "god given" right as you say for top athletic programs, Rutgers does have an obligation to try and field competitive teams, and if not, should not have joined the conference. We accepted that invitation, so therefore we need a plan.

It is not enough for Barchi to tell us Sorry, we have financial problems, can't spend any money. He is the president of a BIG university, and athletics is a big part of that. He needs to lead the charge. Even if Rutgers won't spend money now, at the very least we should have had a strong plan in place, and a commitment to Men's basketball.

With strong leadership, a clear plan, and a commitment to Men's basketball, we would at least have something to take to Donors to try and get some funding. Right now, we have nothing except a memo which says we have no money and we are studying it. We accepted the invitation 2 years ago, we shouldn't still have to hear we are still studying it.

My issue is more with commitment and leadership than it is with Rutgers Financial position. I understand the reluctance to spend money under current circumstances, although I respectfully disagree with you and others who say we can't borrow money now. I think we can, but I get both sides of the debate.

Donors may be the biggest part of the solution, but it will still never happen if Rutgers and its President don't step up and lead.
If donors and sponsors ponied up >50% of the cost of a new practice facility, I think they would have a legitimate gripe with the school. I don't know if they would be enough, but it would certainly get me on the "side" of the "practice facility now!" proponents. I would go so far as to say I would happily match my normal donation specifically to such a fund, if it existed.

The other thing I will address is that that while Barchi will certainly have a say in where this issue goes, IMHO it is up to Julie Hermann to lead this process, not Barchi. He should be 99% focused on the academic side IMHO. Tht is the whole reason why we have an athletic director.

And I will give JH some props in that the organizational changes she has made SEEM to be focused on improving the fundraising ability of the department. I think one difference between myself and some others is that I believe it takes time to develop a donor base. It isn't going to happen in a year or two. She needs to make progress each year, but it could easily be 5+ years before she lands a whale.
 
Originally posted by TonyLieske:



Originally posted by JPhoboken:

Ok, Tony, lets get more specific here, because all this really started about the need for a basketball practice facility. I think most of us realize a new arena or major RAC renovations, although sorely needed, will take a while.

And I think we all understand Football drives the bus and the more successful it is the more profit we will have to help fund other sports.

And I haven't heard anybody say donors and corporate sponsors will not be a major part of the solution. But, we did accept a invitation to join a conference who has a charter for excellence in both academics and athletics. So, although fans have no "god given" right as you say for top athletic programs, Rutgers does have an obligation to try and field competitive teams, and if not, should not have joined the conference. We accepted that invitation, so therefore we need a plan.

It is not enough for Barchi to tell us Sorry, we have financial problems, can't spend any money. He is the president of a BIG university, and athletics is a big part of that. He needs to lead the charge. Even if Rutgers won't spend money now, at the very least we should have had a strong plan in place, and a commitment to Men's basketball.

With strong leadership, a clear plan, and a commitment to Men's basketball, we would at least have something to take to Donors to try and get some funding. Right now, we have nothing except a memo which says we have no money and we are studying it. We accepted the invitation 2 years ago, we shouldn't still have to hear we are still studying it.

My issue is more with commitment and leadership than it is with Rutgers Financial position. I understand the reluctance to spend money under current circumstances, although I respectfully disagree with you and others who say we can't borrow money now. I think we can, but I get both sides of the debate.

Donors may be the biggest part of the solution, but it will still never happen if Rutgers and its President don't step up and lead.
If donors and sponsors ponied up >50% of the cost of a new practice facility, I think they would have a legitimate gripe with the school. I don't know if they would be enough, but it would certainly get me on the "side" of the "practice facility now!" proponents. I would go so far as to say I would happily match my normal donation specifically to such a fund, if it existed.

The other thing I will address is that that while Barchi will certainly have a say in where this issue goes, IMHO it is up to Julie Hermann to lead this process, not Barchi. He should be 99% focused on the academic side IMHO. Tht is the whole reason why we have an athletic director.

And I will give JH some props in that the organizational changes she has made SEEM to be focused on improving the fundraising ability of the department. I think one difference between myself and some others is that I believe it takes time to develop a donor base. It isn't going to happen in a year or two. She needs to make progress each year, but it could easily be 5+ years before she lands a whale.
I would like to add that phrasing this as a conference issue along the lines of "If Rutgers was going to accept the Big Ten invite, it should be prepared to act like a Big Ten team" is extraordinarily misplaced.

First, Rutgers doesn't owe the Big Ten anything. They accepted us because it was beneficial to them, and it will be beneficial to them regardless of whether Rutgers upgrades its facilities. The Big Ten knew our financial situation going into it, and if they wanted facilities investments immediately they could have demanded that happen in the contract. Of course if they had, the school would have said they needed revenue up front, which the conference did not want to provide. These were sophisticated parties making a very large long term business deal. No one owes anyone anything that isn't in the contract in the near term.

Second, Rutgers has no business acting like a Big Ten team from a spending standpoint at this point in time. Rutgers is making the same money as it made in the Big East, and will for the next 4 years. Rutgers is not generating revenue like a Big Ten team, so why should anyone expect Rutgers to spend like one. When the money comes, the spending should increase, and I will be the first to lose my mind if it doesn't. But right now, all of these criticisms about Rutgers acting small-time are premature. We ARE small time. We are currently Big Ten in name only.
 
Originally posted by NotInRHouse:

Originally posted by bac2therac:
Wrong ...Uncle Bob gave him everything he asked for...it wasn't built on donations
No, as per Greg Brown Schiano was the one who brought him in. Why is the lounge named for Motorola? And Corzine also donated personally among others.

Bob got what Schiano wanted done as did McC but Schiano was the one with the vision and was personally working with donors.

What basketball coach here ever had a donor relationship- and the former NBA President went to RU...
You are twisting facts to fit your narrative. Greg Schiano was NOT coming here unless his laundry list of requests were met. Each request he made Rutgers promised him they would deliver. He was working with donors to a point but this was after several years of building here. He didn't walk in here having donors in his back pocket ready to build the Hale Center. RU put all their chips in to help him fix football, then the donors came for small projects like the recruiting lounge.

Some of you have no idea what Schiano did for this athletic department and school. It's why the bashing of him drives me insane. The dude basically told Corzine to STFU, he was getting the stadium expansion, politics be damned. You think anyone at RU would do that to Christie now?
 
"The dude basically told Corzine to STFU, he was getting the stadium expansion, politics be damned"

However in retrospect it would seem this was a bad idea. What has stadium expansion really gotten us? Great recruits? Maybe it played a part in the Big Ten invite--maybe--but putting more money into the coaching staff would've been a FAR better investment with much less money. The resulting success on the field would've brought the program acclaim, probably better recruits, and probably more donations--and then maybe enough for stadium expansion, which just would've been delayed a few years.

Expanding the stadium before upgrading the coaching staff was putting the cart before the horse.
 
Originally posted by Ole Cabbagehead:
Originally posted by TonyLieske:

If donors and sponsors ponied up >50% of the cost of a new practice facility, I think they would have a legitimate gripe with the school. I don't know if they would be enough, but it would certainly get me on the "side" of the "practice facility now!" proponents. I would go so far as to say I would happily match my normal donation specifically to such a fund, if it existed.

The other thing I will address is that that while Barchi will certainly have a say in where this issue goes, IMHO it is up to Julie Hermann to lead this process, not Barchi. He should be 99% focused on the academic side IMHO. Tht is the whole reason why we have an athletic director.

And I will give JH some props in that the organizational changes she has made SEEM to be focused on improving the fundraising ability of the department. I think one difference between myself and some others is that I believe it takes time to develop a donor base. It isn't going to happen in a year or two. She needs to make progress each year, but it could easily be 5+ years before she lands a whale.
Second, Rutgers has no business acting like a Big Ten team from a spending standpoint at this point in time. Rutgers is making the same money as it made in the Big East, and will for the next 4 years. Rutgers is not generating revenue like a Big Ten team, so why should anyone expect Rutgers to spend like one. When the money comes, the spending should increase, and I will be the first to lose my mind if it doesn't. But right now, all of these criticisms about Rutgers acting small-time are premature. We ARE small time. We are currently Big Ten in name only.


Just wanted to highlight those 2 points as I don't think the process of "maturing" into a B10 athletic program will be quick or easy as everyone would like. It sucks I know but that's just the way it is. It's going to take time on all fronts. Like I've said many times, it took Louisville a decade to become what they turned into, it didn't happen overnight.

I've also said it before but I'm not sure how much it's filtered into the collective conscious of the board. From a report I saw last year online, our B10 money isn't going to take any appreciable jumps from our last year in the AAC until about the 2018-2019. Unless something has changed, it's basically going to be about 10-11.5M for the next few years and then a jump to 15M, 20M, 25M and 35M for a projected full share. I'd guess some time in the late spring early summer we'll find out officially what our revenue from the B10 was in our first year.

As to landing the whale, I agree that too will take time unless we get lucky. People don't just hand over large sums of money at a drop of hat and relationships have to be built. We've seen how poorly we've fundraised as a school in general, forget about the AD itself. I've always said it's widening the donor pool to unassociated locals/businesses and disinterested alums is key and developing those new relationships takes time.

People like the Towers are exactly the type we need. No association to the school and still donated to the local school. We need more stories like them. I know people have always wondered about Bernie Marcus but I've kind of wondered about Woody Johnson. His family heritage is part of the history of New Brunswick and we know he likes sports to some degree, seems like a natural fit. Somewhat like Marcus, a Home Depot founder, donated a 300M aquarium in Atlanta where HD's headquarters are. Not sure how philanthropic Johnson is to these types of causes though. It might sound stupid and far fetched but I think thoughtful writing campaigns to those types and locals like them is a much more fruitful strategy than anything directed at politicians looking to create bluster but don't take much action in the end.
 
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