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I meant it’s good the league is down. I want to win it, don’t care if it’s the most down year of all time. So it’s a good thing. Hope that clears it up for your eyes, ears, and all other sensory organs.
I have concerns about the offense all the time. I don't think the possessions you are singling out are either as different or as more important as you are making them out to be.
The Ohio State fiasco did not cause the Seton Hall loss.
We were out muscled / out toughed and out coached in the Seton Hall game.
Very simple.
Possession 1 does not equal possession 70 in terms of importance and it certainly is defended differently and often times the offense has a specific time a shot is needed.
Most people talk about the SEC being the dominant football conference because of Alabama and Georgia, not Vandy and Ole Miss.
From a metrics perspective, every team in the conference should be counted together - but from a public perception perspective, there has to be some banner carriers that are threats to win it all.
I don’t buy outcoached and out hustled. We had a terrible offensive game. Had we just been bad offensively we would have won. It took us being an adjective currently not in my vocabulary on offense to lose the game.
27.7% career, but that's still on not very many attempts (188 total). He was .259 on 85 attempts at LSU, and is .291 so far on 103 attempts at RU. In his 11th game he already surpassed his prior season high # of 3PA and is shooting .309 this season.
As a contrast, Ron Harper Jr was just .279 on his first 193 attempts at RU.
Hyatt's not a great 3P shooter, but his career stats aren't a great sample size either.
If you don’t think Rutgers getting out muscled and out toughed was due to the hangover, then agree to disagree
Players are humans not robots. That loss was emotionally devastating
Twitter comments are brutal on this loss. I thought football being in the CFP would take the attention and heat off their start, but no…
Worse yet only 5 points in last 8 minutes
Our offense scored 43 vs a vs mediocre at best SHU
Seeing a lot of rampant optimism where the offense is still a major concern. Just because it looked good vs Wake diesnt change those concerns for me. Im with GRF that we need to prove we can pull out close games
Have people been paying attention to how bad the ACC is
Besides the Big 12 who is at the top you can only make a case for the SEC being better than the Big 10
Besides the Big 12 who is at the top you can only make a case for the SEC being better than the Big 10
In fairness the sample size with our starting PG available to close out the game is 1. We turned the ball over an astounding 19 times in that game. To me, that’s top priority to clean up against above average defenses. So far our biggest Achilles heel has been that we’ve had a tough time protecting the ball against decent perimeter defenses. Yes - scoring too, but it’s probable we’d be undefeated right now with our full roster if we cleaned up the turnovers and improved nothing else.
I think the SEC will have more wins available in conference play against field teams. To me, that’s the most important metric. The notorious Nebraska team that missed the tourney with a gaudy conference record missed because they lacked wins against field teams.
Paul and Caleb were back vs Miami OSU and SHU. We didn’t score a point in those last 10 possessions.
19+ games left (forget Coppin State). I think we are good enough to maybe go 7-3 (game decided in 1st 38 minutes) in those games.
Those other 9+ games……
Those other 9+ games……
Paul didn’t play against Miami. It was Caleb’s first real game back. He was stuck playing 35 minutes at the point due to Paul’s absence. CC doesn’t count. May as well have been a high school team.
We technically won the OSU game…
Oh yeah - let me add Caleb turned the ball over 5 times running the point without Paul in that game. I’d say the addition of Paul down the stretch would’ve helped just a little to avoid blowing a double digit lead on the road relying on a kid fresh off injury playing point out of position?
We didn’t win OSU. We couldn’t score and put the game away.
Bad officiating is part of the game. You overcome bad officiating by being in a position where bad officiating doesn’t impact you.
No one is taking away the RU win vs SHU because Douby wasn’t fouled.
Bad officiating is part of the game. You overcome bad officiating by being in a position where bad officiating doesn’t impact you.
No one is taking away the RU win vs SHU because Douby wasn’t fouled.
Dude, you are better than this. If you want to tell me there is something that makes us bad in like, final possession of the half or game then fine, I guess, it's an argument I will at least listen to. If you think there is something magical about the 10th to last possession of the game I don't really know what to tell you except that I don't think that makes any sense. You are way overreacting off of a small sample.
Also you seem to ignore the fact that if you are somehow really good for 39 minutes and mediocre for 1 minute you will enter the final 1 minute in more advantageous positions that will help you overcome the 1 minute of mediocrity.
Why in the past 4 years did Pike not run offense and dribble out the clock with the game on the line in the final possessions? Why did he treat those possessions differently?
How many players on the roster have experience taking the big shot?
How many players on the roster can take their man off the dribble and finish?
Do you think possessions 1-65 are run the same as 66-70? Same philosophy? Same defense faced?
How many players on the roster have experience taking the big shot?
How many players on the roster can take their man off the dribble and finish?
Do you think possessions 1-65 are run the same as 66-70? Same philosophy? Same defense faced?
(1) I don't think he's ever done this for 10 possessions
(2) He does this when we have a lead.. to reduce the number of remaining possessions
Even if we go with this - my point still holds.
We committed 3 painful turnovers it the last 5:37 of that game that put us in the position for the missed call to cost us the game. Over the course of a whole game that translates to a turnover rate of 22 for a game. Awful. These turnovers led to 6 OSU points.
My cautious optimism about our potential lies in the turnover count of 3 last game. I know the talent was weaker at defense, but hopefully it’s also that Paul and Caleb are finding their veteran groove now that they’ve been back playing together for a few games. We’ll see.
My point still holds regardless that even with our horrible late game scoring, if we could just protect the basketball we probably win the other games at full strength.
I don’t necessarily agree with everything he’s saying on this point - For starters, I think we have enough pieces at guard to protect the ball better down the stretch of games than we’ve done.
But there is a correlation between timing of when teams choose to press and to this point we’ve struggled with on ball pressure so it’s probably true that we’re scoring less late because we’re turning the ball over when pressured which is happening late game. I don’t think there’s a correlation on scoring per se though other than when we turn the ball over we lose the possession and opportunity to score.
We never shoot at a high percentage, and this team doesn’t seem to need to as long as we figure out a way to protect the ball.
Expect it, he's a big East fan-- the jealousy angle is involved.Sure bro:
Barttorvik Conference Ratings:
B12
B10
SEC
BE
P12
MWC
Massey Conference Ratings:
Big 12
Big 10
Southeastern
Big East
Pac 12
Atlantic Coast
Sagarin Conference Ratings:
Big 12
Big Ten
Big East
Southeastern
Pac-12
Atlantic Coast
By Average NET Ranking:
Big 12
Big Ten
Southeastern
Big East
Mountain West
Pac-12
The real question no one is willing to answer is why so many posters look for something negative, so they can say, "I told you so about Rutgers always being a bridesmaid." To me, your fandom has to be questioned. I know Rutgers has flaws, but so do the opponents. It comes down to matches and exploiting the opponent's weaknesses. I have come to realize most fans don't understand how that works.
It's common practice to overvalue other teams, even with significant flaws yelling at you. Meanwhile, the one flaw for Rutgers is blown out of portion, and they can never shake loose of it like their opponents.
It's common practice to overvalue other teams, even with significant flaws yelling at you. Meanwhile, the one flaw for Rutgers is blown out of portion, and they can never shake loose of it like their opponents.
Yes, to be clear I'm not saying there can't be any truth to our offense getting worse in the very late stages of a game. Just that it's both less severe and less important than GRF is making it out to be. If you are top 4 B1G for 38 minutes you are going to enter the last 2 minutes in a lot of advantageous positions. There is a huge difference between being up 4 with 2 left and up 1. That difference is going to be bigger than any shortcomings we have in the last few possessions.
My Big 10 Predictions
1. Purdue 15-5
2. Ohio State 13-7
3. Wisconsin 13-7
4 Maryland 12-8
5. Rutgers 12-8
6. Indiana 12-8
7. Illinois 12-8
8. Michigan State 12-8
9. Penn State 9-11
10. Nebraska 8-12
11. Northwestern 7-13
12. Michigan 7-13
13. Iowa 6-14
14. Minnesota 2-18
seeing something maybe like this. I think Purdue is the fave now a step ahead of a large group. I think the 2-8 spots are pretty close. We are talking like one game separating 2nd from 8. Thats how tight I think it is. While there are a lack of great teams, I think the Big 10 is full of alot of very very solid teams that can all make Sweet 16 runs.
Ohio State started out strong and with a young team is only getting better from here. Do not sleep on Wisconsin. They already have a quality road win and did very well OOC.
Sparty is still going to be a force this year and wouldnt be surprised if they do contend for the title in the end.
I am not sold on Indiana competing for the Big 10 title and that was before the injuries. Illinois is going to through a bad stretch but I think by the end of the year will start gelling. Maryland is good but not great. Rutgers has the best defense in the country but the offense will still struggle especially on the road.
Penn State, Nebby and Northwestern are all significantly improved over last season. Michigan and Iowa are significantly worse. Yes after seeing them the past few games, Iowa is that bad and so is Michigan. So I think that is where you see the eating away at the records. 3 wins may be too generous for Minnesota.
Protecting home court is incredibly important. Wisconsin and Penn State already have nifty road wins
Big 10 will get 8 teams in the NCAA tourney
Purdue 2
Ohio State 4
Wisconsin 5
Maryland 6
Michigan State 7
Rutgers 8
Indiana 9
Illinois 10
1. Purdue 15-5
2. Ohio State 13-7
3. Wisconsin 13-7
4 Maryland 12-8
5. Rutgers 12-8
6. Indiana 12-8
7. Illinois 12-8
8. Michigan State 12-8
9. Penn State 9-11
10. Nebraska 8-12
11. Northwestern 7-13
12. Michigan 7-13
13. Iowa 6-14
14. Minnesota 2-18
seeing something maybe like this. I think Purdue is the fave now a step ahead of a large group. I think the 2-8 spots are pretty close. We are talking like one game separating 2nd from 8. Thats how tight I think it is. While there are a lack of great teams, I think the Big 10 is full of alot of very very solid teams that can all make Sweet 16 runs.
Ohio State started out strong and with a young team is only getting better from here. Do not sleep on Wisconsin. They already have a quality road win and did very well OOC.
Sparty is still going to be a force this year and wouldnt be surprised if they do contend for the title in the end.
I am not sold on Indiana competing for the Big 10 title and that was before the injuries. Illinois is going to through a bad stretch but I think by the end of the year will start gelling. Maryland is good but not great. Rutgers has the best defense in the country but the offense will still struggle especially on the road.
Penn State, Nebby and Northwestern are all significantly improved over last season. Michigan and Iowa are significantly worse. Yes after seeing them the past few games, Iowa is that bad and so is Michigan. So I think that is where you see the eating away at the records. 3 wins may be too generous for Minnesota.
Protecting home court is incredibly important. Wisconsin and Penn State already have nifty road wins
Big 10 will get 8 teams in the NCAA tourney
Purdue 2
Ohio State 4
Wisconsin 5
Maryland 6
Michigan State 7
Rutgers 8
Indiana 9
Illinois 10
If our offense drops from #130 to #250 for the last 5 possessions of the game, that's a difference of ~5.4 points per 100 possession or 0.27 points for those 5 possessions.
By contrast the difference between a "top 4" B1G team (we'll take the 4th rated one which is actually us at +18.78 points per 100 possessions) and a "bottom 1/3 B1G team" (we'll take the #11 rated B1G team which is Northwestern at +13.71 points per 100 possessions) is roughly ~5 points per 100 possessions. This is roughly 3.15 points per 63 possessions (i.e. not the last 5 - our tempo is 68 possessions/game).
If we lose 5.4 points per 100 for 5/68th of our possessions this would drop us from +18.78 kenpom to +18.38 which is the difference between 4th in the Big Ten and... 5th (it puts us just under Maryland). It would change us from 22nd nationally to 26th.
And this assumes it happens every game! When you realize it only makes sense in close games the effect is even smaller.
By contrast the difference between a "top 4" B1G team (we'll take the 4th rated one which is actually us at +18.78 points per 100 possessions) and a "bottom 1/3 B1G team" (we'll take the #11 rated B1G team which is Northwestern at +13.71 points per 100 possessions) is roughly ~5 points per 100 possessions. This is roughly 3.15 points per 63 possessions (i.e. not the last 5 - our tempo is 68 possessions/game).
If we lose 5.4 points per 100 for 5/68th of our possessions this would drop us from +18.78 kenpom to +18.38 which is the difference between 4th in the Big Ten and... 5th (it puts us just under Maryland). It would change us from 22nd nationally to 26th.
And this assumes it happens every game! When you realize it only makes sense in close games the effect is even smaller.
We definitely scored in the last 5 possessions against OSU.
Paul didn't play against Miami. It is true we didn't score in the last 2:39 but we only scored 7 in the last 10 minutes total.. most of that is not "endgame"
Ditto Seton Hall. We scored 43 points total, seems bizarre to single out the endgame
Offense cold stretches are of course a problem but this is already baked into our numbers
Paul didn't play against Miami. It is true we didn't score in the last 2:39 but we only scored 7 in the last 10 minutes total.. most of that is not "endgame"
Ditto Seton Hall. We scored 43 points total, seems bizarre to single out the endgame
Offense cold stretches are of course a problem but this is already baked into our numbers
Your team is tough as hell, and Pike is very underrated as a coach, in my opinion. And, as others have said, the conference record should be 2-0.
I would not be surprised to see Rutgers at the top in the end...
I would not be surprised to see Rutgers at the top in the end...
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