Watch the Caleb interview the OSU clearly affected them and that hangover so to speak did exist he said it in the interview. sometimes mentally that can affect you and it did!!
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Paul didn't play against Miami
Against OSU we scored on both of our last 2 possessions
We also scored on 5 out of the last 7 possessions looking at the ESPN play by play
Not going to bother checking SHU but odds are at this point that isn't true either
Seriously why are you just making stuff up that isn't true to make Rutgers look bad? It's weird
Our last points were with 2:16 left, not sure how many possessions that was. Neither team scored in the last 1:53 (lol)
But again the focus on the endgame is misplaced. We also didn't score from 9:09 => 4:54. Similarly in the Miami game we didn't score from 8:26 => 3:53. That is obviously bad but it's already included in our metrics.
Well I think he meant 5 possessions per game, 10 across the 2 games. But either way
I think we can agree with this. Part emotional fan has crept in to the analysis.
Assuming a tie game with 1 minutes left and a coin flip for possession the computers may say we have a 52% probability of beating the average B1G team (whatever that is). Maybe the true # given my arguement is 45%.
If these numbers are right maybe it takes 1 1/2 expected win away.
My 10 possessions is a convenient sum of the OSU, Miami and SHU where we didn't score in the last 2-3-5 (10 total) possessions. Don't know which game corresponds to 2,3 and 5
It's still not true. We scored on 5 of the last 7 possessions against OSU. We scored on 2 possessions in the last 10 seconds alone.
Metric Man : Thanks for your douche feedback !
I assess the “ strength” of a conference in its ability and sustainability of its teams to do damage in March. That’s all anyone cares about and it’s how I judge a conference.
Similar to recent failures in past years, the conference will be lucky and quite fortunate to have more than 1 team in this years’ Sweet 16 based on talent alone.
If it excites you per the various algorithm formulas that the conference s bottom and middle tier teams ( say Michigan / Iowa / Penn state / Nebraska etc) are better than other conferences’ bottom and mid tier teams - then to each his own.
At best, this conference is 3rd best - behind the Big 12 and SEC - and it’s down compared to prior years as well - with no ncaa potential champion on the horizon for this year as well for 2 decades plus.
We were intentionally fouled so i didn't count them.
The OSU was the 2 game
SHU was the 5 game
Miami was the 3 game.
Forgetting about the end game. The OSU and Miami offensive performances were good enough for '22-.23 to win
Those were 3 of 4 foul shots where we were purposely fouled. We were a wreck our last few real possessions in the half court
agreed but meanwhile Miami is 12-1 albeit not the toughest schedule yet but they beat #6 Virginia who I believe was #2 at the time; so we are a good team and again we'll have those nights where the offense will have the dry spells heck we had them last with Geo and RHJ so lets just hope we can overcome them and keep winning or win a good enough percentage to get us in the NCAA tournament again
They are still young adults, etc, but they need to be even tougher than that. Caleb is a senior and needs to lead. They lost a game, not a championship. The end result is it’s an excuse
and I’m sure Caleb will even acknowledge that.
Learn from it…move on.
Not counting foul shots we didn't score on the last 2 but scored on 3 in a row before that. That's not a wreck. Come on
We were a wreck Miami and Seton Hall. Although we did come up empty the last 2 real offensive possessions we weren't a wreck vs OSU.
What player on the team, other than Cam, would you pick taking a crucial 3 over Scangg?
2 of my favored posters having a fight.......not good to see.
BE Phil is in a bad mood because Monmouth stinks and flux is upset because the last windows update impacted his spreadsheet and his tool bar is hidden and he can't find it.
People are seriously arguing we haven’t been bad offensively at the end of close games? That’s insane.
You might want to learn to read before attempting participation.
Bac should start a separate thread....I'll play
1. Purdue 15-5
2. Ohio State 13-7
3. Everyone not named Minnesota 10-10
14. Minnesota 2-18
Actually
1 purdue 15-5
2 OSU 13-7
3. Wisconsin 11-9
Maryland 11-9
Indiana 11-9
Rutgers 11-9
PSU 11-9
8. Michigan State 10-10
Iowa 10-10
Illionois 10-10
11 Northwesterm 9-11
Michigan 9-11
13 Nebraska 7-13
14 Minnesota 2-18
NCAA teams (8)
Purdue
Wisconsin
Indiana
Maryland
Ohio State
Michigan State
Penn State
winner of Illinois Rutgers B1Gt game
1. Purdue 15-5
2. Ohio State 13-7
3. Everyone not named Minnesota 10-10
14. Minnesota 2-18
Actually
1 purdue 15-5
2 OSU 13-7
3. Wisconsin 11-9
Maryland 11-9
Indiana 11-9
Rutgers 11-9
PSU 11-9
8. Michigan State 10-10
Iowa 10-10
Illionois 10-10
11 Northwesterm 9-11
Michigan 9-11
13 Nebraska 7-13
14 Minnesota 2-18
NCAA teams (8)
Purdue
Wisconsin
Indiana
Maryland
Ohio State
Michigan State
Penn State
winner of Illinois Rutgers B1Gt game
Torvik projects us as a 5 seed at 12-8. I don't think we have any issues getting in at 11-9
I am seeing a 6.6 seed with a 87.8% chance of getting in. Would we be in at 19-13 if most of our b1G wins were againsty teams not making the tournament.
Our WAB is -1.2
Our WAB is -1.2
Going thru this thread I see that Greene and BAC do what they always do , move the goalposts. When has our Rutgers team in the last 4 years blown out teams by 30/40. I will answer no others consistently. When has another Rutgers team shown spurtability like this team for 10-0 or 18-2 spurts. Maybe 2019-2020.
Now we are going to focus on last 2 or is it last 5 possessions. Try looking at our road record in the last 4 years and most years we are out of it in the first half , make an attempt to get back but fall short by 5-10 points . This year tie game at Miami with a minute Aundre missed a layup to tie. OSU do everything right and we get screwed. Temple without Paul or Caleb play the worst first half of the year and still could have won it if Cam hits one of his threes that fell short. Seton Hall was a dribbling excessively cluster**** that was unlike any other game but despite 5 missed shots at the end and Aundre missing another tying layup to force OT , that game almost has to go in the toilet and as far as I am concerned is flushed and will not be seen again this year.
We have more weapons this year and everyone is getting better and healthier. In the meantime , as I originally thought and predicted with the loss of all the sophomores to the NBA the Big 10 is way down , which looked like a stupid thought during early non conference , but becoming truer every day. No one presses like us because it has not happened like this since the Final Four team , and I was around inmy freshman year for that team. Besides the pressing which makes us a top 3 super elite defense, we are still a top 20 defense in the half court. I will be disappointed if we are not fighting for the title the last week because there is not 1 team in this conference better than us this year. None.
So fretting about last 5 possessions allows the negative impulses as Rutgers fans come to the surface without stepping away a second and saying why is Seth Greenberg saying we are a Sweet 16 team and why are we still and have been getting votes in the Coaches poll with 2 , then 4 losses. This team is really good with good foul shooters that are going close out games. Those pointing to Caleb’s late miss at OSU forget Paul hit 2 right before and we were 3-4 down the stretch.
Moving the goalposts can make any argument make sense. I say complete fail with this team.
Now we are going to focus on last 2 or is it last 5 possessions. Try looking at our road record in the last 4 years and most years we are out of it in the first half , make an attempt to get back but fall short by 5-10 points . This year tie game at Miami with a minute Aundre missed a layup to tie. OSU do everything right and we get screwed. Temple without Paul or Caleb play the worst first half of the year and still could have won it if Cam hits one of his threes that fell short. Seton Hall was a dribbling excessively cluster**** that was unlike any other game but despite 5 missed shots at the end and Aundre missing another tying layup to force OT , that game almost has to go in the toilet and as far as I am concerned is flushed and will not be seen again this year.
We have more weapons this year and everyone is getting better and healthier. In the meantime , as I originally thought and predicted with the loss of all the sophomores to the NBA the Big 10 is way down , which looked like a stupid thought during early non conference , but becoming truer every day. No one presses like us because it has not happened like this since the Final Four team , and I was around inmy freshman year for that team. Besides the pressing which makes us a top 3 super elite defense, we are still a top 20 defense in the half court. I will be disappointed if we are not fighting for the title the last week because there is not 1 team in this conference better than us this year. None.
So fretting about last 5 possessions allows the negative impulses as Rutgers fans come to the surface without stepping away a second and saying why is Seth Greenberg saying we are a Sweet 16 team and why are we still and have been getting votes in the Coaches poll with 2 , then 4 losses. This team is really good with good foul shooters that are going close out games. Those pointing to Caleb’s late miss at OSU forget Paul hit 2 right before and we were 3-4 down the stretch.
Moving the goalposts can make any argument make sense. I say complete fail with this team.
There are terrible arguments littered throughout the thread.
A national title contender is the only barometer for a conference?? Should we bow down to the AAC or WCC, just because Gonzaga and Houston have made the Final Four recently??
How long are we going to prop up the Big East, just because Nova won 2 NCs?? I am waiting to see the annual Big East love affair post come Big East Tournament time??
The B1G doesn't typically land 1 and done talents and certainly doesn't out "NIL", some of the SEC or Big 12 schools like Kansas.
I hate to tell people that Northwestern and Nebraska have greatly improved their defense from last year to this year, because it doesn't fit the narrative for some fans and that means there's no dominant teams running wild like UConn will in the Big East or Houston in the AAC or the Zags on 2 month vacation now in their improving but still non-existent league.
Anyone putting all of their evaluation eggs in the basket of a randomly selected Tournament that adds 25 non Power 5 programs no one keeps track of, good luck with that. I'm sure we all know who the best players are in the Ohio Valley conference today.
And yes there are phantom fans looking to explain RUs relevancy and improvements, based on the "decline of the B1G". Meanwhile, entire programs being built on cupcakes like Gonzaga are OK, but let's not give RU credit. Let's give Gonzaga and Houston credit for the next 2 months of play, cruising through their leagues to an easier seed/path.
Happy New Year and Go RU.....waiting for the goalposts to be moved again, they'll be moved from Piscataway to Route 287 by March 2025, to explain away the next 2 to 3 years.
A national title contender is the only barometer for a conference?? Should we bow down to the AAC or WCC, just because Gonzaga and Houston have made the Final Four recently??
How long are we going to prop up the Big East, just because Nova won 2 NCs?? I am waiting to see the annual Big East love affair post come Big East Tournament time??
The B1G doesn't typically land 1 and done talents and certainly doesn't out "NIL", some of the SEC or Big 12 schools like Kansas.
I hate to tell people that Northwestern and Nebraska have greatly improved their defense from last year to this year, because it doesn't fit the narrative for some fans and that means there's no dominant teams running wild like UConn will in the Big East or Houston in the AAC or the Zags on 2 month vacation now in their improving but still non-existent league.
Anyone putting all of their evaluation eggs in the basket of a randomly selected Tournament that adds 25 non Power 5 programs no one keeps track of, good luck with that. I'm sure we all know who the best players are in the Ohio Valley conference today.
And yes there are phantom fans looking to explain RUs relevancy and improvements, based on the "decline of the B1G". Meanwhile, entire programs being built on cupcakes like Gonzaga are OK, but let's not give RU credit. Let's give Gonzaga and Houston credit for the next 2 months of play, cruising through their leagues to an easier seed/path.
Happy New Year and Go RU.....waiting for the goalposts to be moved again, they'll be moved from Piscataway to Route 287 by March 2025, to explain away the next 2 to 3 years.
As much as some are quick to point out Rutgers' flaws, such as droughts against Seton Hall or Miami, why is no one singling out flaws of teams everyone expects to finish ahead of Rutgers?
It's easy to single Rutgers out because most of you watch every game, but what do you actually know about other B1G teams? If you can explain that, your argument for or against Rutgers has more credibility.
Here are a few pointers that will help you when comparing Rutgers to others:
-key matchups
-depth
-coaching
-a scheme to exploit the opponent
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It's easy to single Rutgers out because most of you watch every game, but what do you actually know about other B1G teams? If you can explain that, your argument for or against Rutgers has more credibility.
Here are a few pointers that will help you when comparing Rutgers to others:
-key matchups
-depth
-coaching
-a scheme to exploit the opponent
-
Yup and by the way if our 88% FT shooter didn’t miss one the game is in the bag. I don’t think that has squat to do with the timing of the game. Seems like just crap luck. Didn’t someone say we are near dead last in the Kenpom luck metric?
To who? Miami ranked. Ohio State ranked. Temple without our 2 starting guards so anyone with a brain knows that doesn’t count in the end and then the game that cannot be explained or excused away the dribble fest , decide not to shoot game dribble to a turnover game to our arch rival . Hang your hat on that when we win the next 4 close games. You going move the goalposts again and say only 4-4 not 8-0 in close games. Time will tell. But if you do not think this team has something special going having been around as long as you have , then we will never convince you until the end of the year when you either say I never saw that coming or thought it was possible but needed more time. But you will move the goalposts. You usually do as does Greene
Wisconsin is 5-2 in close games
There is good reason for optimism but i believe there is also a recent trend to dismiss the warts on this team. For starters are defense is not as effective on the road. Yes injuries early but thats part of the game. Rutgers played really good defense at Ohio State but not the same D they play at the RAC. Thats the kind of stuff that RU will need to compete for a league championship
How our D looks at Purdue will tell alot. I dont expect a win but last years defensive performance at Purdue was way below Pike standards as was our mental toughness
There is good reason for optimism but i believe there is also a recent trend to dismiss the warts on this team. For starters are defense is not as effective on the road. Yes injuries early but thats part of the game. Rutgers played really good defense at Ohio State but not the same D they play at the RAC. Thats the kind of stuff that RU will need to compete for a league championship
How our D looks at Purdue will tell alot. I dont expect a win but last years defensive performance at Purdue was way below Pike standards as was our mental toughness
Explanations for everything
The Seton Hall performance on offense was rancid beyond belief
Rutgers is 8-4 right now not 12-0 or 12-4 so when they get there they will get that praise
There is no bar raising. currently RU has a decent enough resume that puts them as a 10 or 11 seed at the moment
I'm not saying I subscribe to that thinking, but it's not uncommon amongst casual fans. The Big ten constantly gets knocked for performing poorly at tournament time, specifically struggling to get teams into the final four and championship.
If all 14 of our teams were ranked from 20 to 34, but none made it to the sweet 16, we statistically be the strongest conference and have nothing to show for it in the final two weekends of the tournament. Casual basketball fans don't pay as much attention during the regular season, and show up to pay attention in the tournament. From a PR standpoint, conferences need teams to show out when it matters in late March.
I expect a win at Purdue. Their guards are not better than ours and are freshmen and hopefully Pike employs the press he uses so effectively at home to get some turnovers and reduce the shot clock so Purdue doesn’t run their tremendous half court offense of screens , pin downs . Our offense will score and score a lot so up to our defense to stop the three pointers.
I have Rutgers 20-11/12-8 and a 8 seed and somehow im negative
Wow
Thats when you know its not worth to argue a point to people
Wow
Thats when you know its not worth to argue a point to people
Big deal. Rutgers will be a 5 , 6 or 7 seed . Our 4 losses prevent a 1-4 seed. You love to analyze the losses to death but why don’t you analyze the wins in this response. I know why ? You think Wake is trash and big deal we win by 30,34,35, 38 and 40. All against trash. Show me all the teams in the country doing that and you will be pointing to the top 5 teams in the country . Did I get your next response correct ?
Rutgers lost to Temple a wretched team that people like you said were going to make the tourney
Shu sucks period
Imagine i dont think RU is going to win the league or be a 4 seed..the horror
Currently has one win vs a tourney team and a Q4 loss and another borderline bad loss
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