These are the kind threads that are trollish because any critcism is meant to devalue the whole program
No nuance with a few posters here
No nuance with a few posters here
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It is your moving the goalposts and trashing our wins as if they do not count. That is what my issue is with your argument. Have you seen a better pressing defensive team in the country ? Not in the down conference this year ? In the damn country ? Who are they ? We are VCU on steroids. I do not expect another RAC loss and yes I have no explaination for the rancid Seton Hall performance other than to say it was Pike ‘s worst coaching job in 4 years.
It’s really 0-2 with our current players not 0-4. You can’t draw that much about our ability to close out games from a game where our starting PG didn’t play. For Temple, our next best ball handler didn’t play either.
You can point to things we did wrong to lose the OSU game, but then, I’m sure you could find things every team did wrong in games they won too. The bottom line is we got extremely unlucky to lose that game. Forget the multiple missed calls by the ref (even the one that was blatant enough to warrant a formal apology). An 88% FT shooter who had made 10 straight missed a FT that would’ve sealed the win. That’s unlucky. Then, there was the bad luck of the prayer OSU threw up (illegally) actually going through the net. At some point, luck has to go the other way. It’s random.
I never said Temple was going to make the tourney. Go find the post or stop lying.
Seton Hall was a total outlier. You want it to be our typical game. We disagree.
You have every right to think we are not winning the league but don’t move the goalposts and say we are 0-4 in close games so we will never win another. You know we should have won at Ohio State and that was a ranked 23rd team at the time at a place we have struggled at , and then what are you going to say we are 1-3 in close games and that we define how you evaluate us.
All teams have injuries..Indiana was without their star freshmen...you can always play what ifs
Who said we will not win close games because we are currently 0-4
Stop seeing boogeymen
The sad part is you are riled because I pick RU to win 2 less games tgan you do it
Yet you keep repeating some ridiculous argument about goalpost
“I don’t believe in the stats/facts, I believe in my opinion. Alright, let’s argue:”
Wow are you are moron or what
That’s a sign of a young team. We are not young. The veterans need to step up and we need to be better. “We got hosed at OSU”, “hangover vs. Seton Hall” “just got Caleb back” “played without Paul”, Excuses.
No it is very simple. Greene makes a post focusing on our being 0-4 in close games, ignoring the winning in blowouts or the 24 point Wake win or the the shooting in the last 2 games You join in and agree with it and then declare we are a bad offensive team in the last 5 possessions of game. Why don’t you point to the runs in the Miami and Ohio state games that gave us the lead , by playing good offense coupled with decent defense , nothing exceptional. Why choose the last few possessions and not the whole game to evaluate our team .? I can look at those 3 games , Miami and Ohio State and even Seton Hall ( although home post OSU hangover ) and say we were in position to win but didn’t , and say that is a pretty decent road performance that just didn’t end well but overall I have seen enough to say we will win road games on this conference and not just at Minnesota, to go along with our RAC wins to get us the title. You find that not realistic. That is ok.
Lol. With Monmouth being so bad this year, I have even missed a few games. It’s a shame but they’re unwatchable . Lol
With Flux, don’t know him but he seemed very level headed. I get annoyed however when people start resorting to insults / sarcasm etc rather than simply debating an issue. It’s fine to disagree as I like to handle these discussions civilly.
Well, I can definitely be a dick sometimes.
There have been 2,164 D1 vs D1 games so far this year. How many of them have you watched in order to rank teams via eye test?
I have to ask…A lot of RU fans fit this description when talking about other teams.
What did you google to find that first gif?
In the gif link above in each post. Click the three dots to the right of the insert link and insert image. The drop-down box will display the gif.
I have watched enough games to draw my conclusions above
How many doctoral degrees in calculus / algorithms / statistics do you have to assess the accuracy / reliability of your relied upon College Basketball models?
But don’t let facts / real game results get in your way of your models especially given the terrific performances of the big 10 in the last 2 ncaa tournaments on neutral courts ( when the models had the big 10 as the best conference )
And it was NO disgrace at all that we lost to Miami. They're legit
Excuses or the nuance some are intentionally and deliberately disregarding bc it doesn't fit their narrative?
No you haven’t.
I have more relevant degrees than you do, not that it matters.
You’re still dumb. I’m not sure why I tried.
Not sure what you mean.
I coached AAU basketball for about 20 years and learned a ton from people like Kevin Boyle, who I greatly admire. With regards to the OSU game, sometimes refs will be incompetent, sometimes they will be assholes, sometimes they will be intimidated. The refs at OSU at the end of the game were incompetent and lazy. Shit happens and it will always happen. The key is to focus on what you could have done better to avoid that situation…we missed a key FT, we lost a key rebound, etc. Try not to ever leave it up to the refs. They will dissapoint..especially on the road.
I’m absolutely certain that Pike preaches the same. However, It’s disappointing that it seems at least one veteran player is admitting the OSU result may have affected the team’s performance in the Seton Hall game.
Hyatt was 3-5 from three during this game. With the middle so clogged up, they should have been feeding him on the perimeter more than they did. He's not the guy I would want taking a shot every game, but he's definitely the one I wanted shooting more that game because at least he was making some.
Goru,
No goal posts being moved. We 2-4 against real teams and 0-4 in close games.
When you look at my preseason predictions what we are seeing is exactly what I was concerned about.
I am definitely more bullish now than in the preseason because it appears our defense is better than I expected. I think we have the ability to win 7-10 of real games by 3-4 possessions+.
No goal posts being moved. We 2-4 against real teams and 0-4 in close games.
When you look at my preseason predictions what we are seeing is exactly what I was concerned about.
I am definitely more bullish now than in the preseason because it appears our defense is better than I expected. I think we have the ability to win 7-10 of real games by 3-4 possessions+.
There is some incredible irony in referring to observations from watching a handful of games as the “facts” as opposed to computer based rating systems that look at mountains of data across every college basketball game that is played in a season.
You are trying too hard here
Yes, we lost those games and injuries happen, but I won't believe we are less likely to win future close games if we are fully healthy because we lost one without two of our captains, one without one of our captains, got screwed out of a top 25 road win by refs blatantly missing a turnover, and lost to our rival in the following game, at least partly a result of a hangover from OSU IMO.
Two of Wisconsin's close wins are against Dayton and USC, currently in the 80s in net. They also lost at home to a Wake team that we ERASED. If we were playing Wisconsin tonight, I would be picking us with confidence.
Two of Wisconsin's close wins are against Dayton and USC, currently in the 80s in net. They also lost at home to a Wake team that we ERASED. If we were playing Wisconsin tonight, I would be picking us with confidence.
I don't suppose they offer up the code, so one could input an RU win over OSU to see how that affects our NET, do they? :>)
Exactly... its not about the past. Using Miami without Paul or OSU ref debacle and hangover against SHU as future predictive results doesn't seem logical
Look at games at full strength without all toke level blown calls if you want extrapolate future success.
Use context. It matters. Ot doesn't change results but it only makes sense to factor it in predicting the future
A loss like that can have no effect or effect it positive or negatively. I was hopeful that it would affect it positively, and they would be pissed and eager to prove how good they can be after getting “hosed”. They could even have gotten confidence from that loss since they outplayed OSU on their home court. Instead, it appears they hung their heads. I expected different from a veteran team…hopefully they learn from it. I would not have been surprised if they had blown Seton Hall out of the gym.
I was trying to will a payback type win but tje reality is that loss crushed the team. It's unfortunate but completely understandable
We just don’t know that. Caleb was asked a leading question by Katz, something like: “Did the OSU game lead to a hangover in the Seton Hall game?” 95% of people immediately answer that kind of question ”yes”. And that’s basically what Caleb said. I didn’t see low energy at the game. I saw poor offense and really good D from SHU.
We can only speculate on whether OSU affected SHU. There is no definitive answer.
Yep. Saying we lost to seton hall because of a letdown is just excuse making. Our defense was elite and all over the place so no sign of letdown there. I think they were ready to play but shots just weren’t falling. It happens.
You are not negative. IMO, you are just slightly underestimating our team or slightly overestimating our opponents. I think it’s the latter.
Shots weren't falling, but to say a letdown is an excuse is BS. If you haven't played sports at a high level, you have no clue how athletes think. The time and energy put into preparing for a game can come back to bite you if things don't go right. You'll spend too much
time second-guessing events from the game. This is how most athletes are wired.
It will be so Rutgers that we lose out on the BIG title in a tiebreaker to OSU
My take on the losses:
- Temple... we were without both McConnell and Mulcahy, and Simpson/Spencer just weren't ready to handle that backcourt leadership role right out of the gate. They figured things out as they went, but it was too big of a hole to climb out of by that point.
- Miami... very good team on their floor, and without Mulcahy who we've learned is very much the straw that stirs the drink offensively. Spencer had a bad game, which amplified the lack of Mulcahy in the backcourt.
- OSU... very good team on their floor. Played well enough to win, but lost due to officiating error. Tough break.
- SHU... rivalry game coming off of crushing ending to OSU. Rivalry games throw expectations out the window, and RU/SHU is usually a tight affair. SHU out-toughed and out-hustled us throughout most of the game. Newbies to the rivalry did not perform well (Spencer/Simpson/Wolf were a combined 3-12 from the field and 0-7 from the arc for 6 points in 51 minutes) and Omoruyi was stymied by Ndefo.
Right now we're at full strength, and the newbies have had a lot of minutes to acclimate to the system and expectations. No more rivalry games on the schedule, and no one in the Big Ten is a world-beater - but the next 18 games will be much more grueling than the last 13.
- Temple... we were without both McConnell and Mulcahy, and Simpson/Spencer just weren't ready to handle that backcourt leadership role right out of the gate. They figured things out as they went, but it was too big of a hole to climb out of by that point.
- Miami... very good team on their floor, and without Mulcahy who we've learned is very much the straw that stirs the drink offensively. Spencer had a bad game, which amplified the lack of Mulcahy in the backcourt.
- OSU... very good team on their floor. Played well enough to win, but lost due to officiating error. Tough break.
- SHU... rivalry game coming off of crushing ending to OSU. Rivalry games throw expectations out the window, and RU/SHU is usually a tight affair. SHU out-toughed and out-hustled us throughout most of the game. Newbies to the rivalry did not perform well (Spencer/Simpson/Wolf were a combined 3-12 from the field and 0-7 from the arc for 6 points in 51 minutes) and Omoruyi was stymied by Ndefo.
Right now we're at full strength, and the newbies have had a lot of minutes to acclimate to the system and expectations. No more rivalry games on the schedule, and no one in the Big Ten is a world-beater - but the next 18 games will be much more grueling than the last 13.
Agree with both of these posts.
It drives me crazy that people extrapolate our ability in “close” games against “real” opponents based on games in which we were without key starters or, worse yet, ACTUALLY WON THE FVCKING GAME ON THE ROAD AGAINST A QUAD 1 OPPONENT BUT WERE SCREWED OUT OF THE WIN BY A BLATANT MISSED CALL THAT THE CONFERENCE ADMITTED, and then lost three days later after that soul crushing loss.
These circumstances will not reoccur, so the results of these games are not indicative of our ability to win close games against P6 opponents.
Do we now need to go out and PROVE that those games aren’t indicative? Absolute yes. But they’re not automatically indicative just because we lost those games.
B1G being strong and winnable aren't mutually exclusive. It's relative...and perhaps we are one of the strongest.
Big 10 is not strong this year compared to the last 2-3 years because it lacks NBA surefire talent like last years sophomores and freshmen. There really isn’t 1 player that fits easily into 1st , 2nd , 3rd team All American except maybe Zach Edey and he is a good college player but unknown NBA player.
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