Butch Jones
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What did Schiano do in his 10th year in Big East? 4-8 ..Yes Butch had a last bad year at 4-8 But that was in the SEC
So you just randomly picked the year Eric was paralyzed and we lost out last 6 games. How convenient of you.
Come on, we sucked before he got hurt. We squeaked by FIU and lost to Tulane.
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We were still 4-2
You don't think 1 and 3 point losses to USF and Syralose end up different without injury aftermath.
We were terrible.. Struggled to beat FIU, loss at home to a mediocre UNC team, lost to freaking Tulane - all before the army game. That team sucked
@vkj91 i almost prefer Jones as a coach. What pisses me off is that our admin just seems like they don’t get it. Schiano was the logical choice and they screwed the pooch and showed a complete disrespect for competition.
personally I would have gone for the last regular season game Schiano will ever coach, in the only shot he had of winning a championship, where he was completely embarrassed at Storrs 40-10 going into the 4th quarter as an 11 point favorite. But yeah, he pretty much sucked the minute he did to Michigan in 2007 what he did to us yesterday.
Yeah OK ..Rutgers won that game Eric was hurt against Army but had 2 of their wins against Norfolk State and a FIU Program that was a year old..We lost last 6 games because it was against real d1 teams and we sucked!
Does this mean that Hobbs shouldn’t call Les Miles to gauge his interest in coming to RU?
All options should now be on the table.
Has Urban called back yet?
All options should now be on the table.
Has Urban called back yet?
You can't be holding that year against GS.
That Eric Legrand year when RU did not win another game after his injury. That was the year the you had RU players crying in the locker room before the game. That was the same year that GS was a little distracted spending much of every night that season in Eric Legrand's hospital room. He would drive straight there after practice. I guess that you think his priorities were misplaced.
What did Greg Schiano's team do the next year when EL's actual life was no longer hanging from a thread, and GS was able to concentrate on his team and recruiting? That recruiting class was the best that RU ever had, and it would have been a great recruiting class by B10 standards today.
GS and his product was not fading when he left.
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Tennessee was (5-7) two years in a row before Butch got there. He turned that into 7,9,9 wins - in his first 4 yrs. Sounds like maybe Butch can recruit & build a roster up
lol. butch isn't a decent recruiter, he's a very good recruiter.
He did win following the 2005 season. He had 5 winning season in 6. The one losing season was the 4-8 Eric LeGrand tragedy. It's actually right in this thread. Your hate has blinded you to all outside facts.
Agree- go after Butch now.
Truthfully I guess expect a little more out of you then the typical person on here. You what he posted was disingenuous. As for that year, I spoke on several occasions with Tim Pernetti on how things were going and if you can't understand the impact it had on the whole dept there isn't much else to discuss.
I like Jones, but his last year is a real concern. Of course, if you look at the number of injuries they had, it was insane. Lost 4 of 5 OL, 2 of 3 QBs and 3 starting WRs. Still, no conference wins is no conference wins, and it's not like the team snapped right back after he left so maybe the roster wasn't that great (even though the classes were highly rated).
Jones had one winning conference record season in the SEC East.
ONE.
What will he do in the Big Ten East?
If it costs us 80%-90% of Schiano's "ask" to get Jones... that will cement the pissed-off state for good.
I see the unlimited private jet thing is getting distorted on twitter and elsewhere.. it was for RECRUITING PURPOSES right in the ask.. according to NJ.com.. so what's worse.. someone demanding to be able to fly all over the country recruiting or someone who doesn't ask for this ability?
Think of Ash.. no, I won't need to travel for recruiting for a good 6 months. And I'll drive myself if I REALLY need to go see anyone.
ONE.
What will he do in the Big Ten East?
If it costs us 80%-90% of Schiano's "ask" to get Jones... that will cement the pissed-off state for good.
I see the unlimited private jet thing is getting distorted on twitter and elsewhere.. it was for RECRUITING PURPOSES right in the ask.. according to NJ.com.. so what's worse.. someone demanding to be able to fly all over the country recruiting or someone who doesn't ask for this ability?
Think of Ash.. no, I won't need to travel for recruiting for a good 6 months. And I'll drive myself if I REALLY need to go see anyone.
If you expect honest opinions, you'll get them. That team was bad before EL got hurt, there's a reason Dodd was playing QB and it was because the OL couldn't block anyone. Maybe, maybe that team gets 6 wins without the injury, but still with a bunch of bad losses and a very easy schedule. It was a bad football team.
Now, I don't hold that against Schiano really, that sort of thing happens and it was only 1 year. But there was no scenario where the 2010 team was going to be anything other than a bad football team.
If I recall correctly, our subpar OL recruiting came back to bite us that year.
Did he mention the huge argument on the flight home from FIU in September and the future NFL players that had to be talked into staying? That locker room was lost well before the Army game.
I wanted Butch from the beginning. Simply a more successful coach than Schiano in his career.
This is an accurate take. We may have been able to squeak out the Cuse and Tulane games to get to 6 wins, but that was not a good football team.
We lost to a terrible Tulane team that FINISHED 4-8 in Conference USA before the injury and then couldnt get a W when RU finished against a decent schedule. We lost those games because we were not good! Stop all the excuses for Greg not being better...It's Pathetic!
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Jones can coach and is great identifier of talent. He did well at Tenn and that last year with the injuries would have sunk any coach.
RU fans ability to make excuses is only matched by the inability to reason. This thread is a great example of that
And we are in agreement...that was a 6-6 type team that had the misfortune of dealing with what it did. But the next year we went 9-4.
What he did is no different then if I wanted to compare Greg with say Nick Saban and said lets compare their 6th seasons performance. You would be saying the same thing I did about his post. It is not being honest.
That's my opinion as well, but I honestly didn't follow him closely enough at the time for it to be very informed. I could look at what happened since he left and think maybe the team wasn't in great shape, even without the injuries (or maybe the players didn't come back from injury?) I like him, but I can see why that season and how it ended, scares people.
Then again, if his resume was a slam dunk, he wouldn't be a candidate for the RU job (same can be said for Schiano).
Jones is a huge upgrade from Ash. No one would have a problem with this pick......unless they promised GS before that announcement.
He was comparing it to one bad Jones year, which I think is fair. No, Jones didn't have an injury like EL to deal with, but he lost basically his whole offense to injury. The main difference is he didn't get another year to see whether or not it was a fluke bad year.
I could be ok with Jones DEPENDING on who his staff would be and what kind of funding for facilities the school will give...I'm wasn't thrilled with everything Schiano, but my main problem with Hobbs isn't just that he didn't hire Schiano, it's that he's horribly mismanaged the situation since last November, and now comes across as completely tone-deaf and out-of-touch with the way he handled the negotiations/ public relations with a person who is largely beloved by the Rutgers Football community. Even if Schiano is muddying the waters, you just got to be able to anticipate that trying to paint Schiano as the 'bad guy' is going to blow up in your face in quick fashion. It's like me being a high-ranking official at Florida State and being dismissive of Bobby Bowden.
...it's that lack of awareness and tact, along with the completely disjointed way he has handled football for a year now, that have lead me to believe he's not the right guy to be our AD. Our football program is MANGLED right now and Hobbs' decisions have seemingly played a huge part in this.
Joe P.
...it's that lack of awareness and tact, along with the completely disjointed way he has handled football for a year now, that have lead me to believe he's not the right guy to be our AD. Our football program is MANGLED right now and Hobbs' decisions have seemingly played a huge part in this.
Joe P.
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