And he's always spoken very highly of RU throughout the years. This would be a destination job that he'd embrace unlike most coaches.
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classic RU fan right here. I don't want Jones he had three losing season in the SEC. I want to overpay for Schiano who only had 4 winning seasons in 11 in the Big East. worse yet, only 2 in his last 5 years. lol
I've stated in other posts, but HELL YES.
Give me Jones as HC
Brown as co-DC along with Ant Camp, with Nunz as a position coach
Get me an OC from a high scoring G5 program
Get me Bobby Acosta, GA Mangus, and other assistant coaches who have a proven record of success rerouting NJ
and we will turn this program around in 3 years.
Jones doesn't win 8 games or more in 7 out of 11 seasons by accident.
Give me Jones as HC
Brown as co-DC along with Ant Camp, with Nunz as a position coach
Get me an OC from a high scoring G5 program
Get me Bobby Acosta, GA Mangus, and other assistant coaches who have a proven record of success rerouting NJ
and we will turn this program around in 3 years.
Jones doesn't win 8 games or more in 7 out of 11 seasons by accident.
you don't get Brown and Camp.
Bobby Acosta is coaching at some school I've never heard of.
Mangus is a Kutztown.
can we get some D1 assistants maybe?
And this is why Hobbs screwed up. GS way overplayed his hand. The guy was fired as DC less than a year ago, and Rutgers offered more than Tennessee did (and multiples more than GS was making at his last job).
Hobbs blew it by totally losing control over the narrative. The day the Butch Jones candidacy withdrawal news came out and no one else interviewed for the Rutgers job, and no statement by Hobbs, he lost the narrative completely if he did not hire Schiano. That is a major blunder, but not really what all the "fire Hobbs" people are mad about.
All the guy did was win the MAC conference when coaching in the MAC, the Big East Conference (2x) when coaching in the Big East, and then at Tennessee after a 6-7 first season, he went 9-4 two years in a row before being fired way to prematurely in his 4th season because he was 4-6 at the time.
He has been named a top recruiter in the country. That alone leads me to believe he can build a program, and if he surrounds himself with the kind of assistants we need and can now afford, we know he can coach. You don't win multiple conference championships by being a bad coach.
7 of his 11 seasons he won more than 8 games. Think about that.
Or this. In 5 of those 11 season, he won 9 games or more.
That is why i think he can be successful here. Because he has had success everywhere he has been.
The first and second questions were always the key ones, no matter who was hired. A major reason Ash failed was because of his staff (especially the initial one). Way too much focus on the head coach right now when the assistants are likely more important and the biggest job of the HC is to obtain the right staff and then to optimize their performance.
He also previously coached at Rutgers. He should have at least some understanding of the place.
that's what you need. A guy who has won in multiple places. My only knock on him is he hasn't been an OC in forever. I want my HC to be a stud on one side of the ball so he can put more money into the other
Jones is a upgrade to Greg and it's not even close. People will be very happy with BJ
If RU hires Jones will there be a resistance group of RU fans who wanted Greg and won’t support Butch?
Will the Greg only group accept anyone other than Greg?
Yikes, you couldn't be more misinformed about Jones. Recruiting was one thing people in Tennessee all agreed he was fantastic at.
According to Chattanooga Times Free-Press sports editor Jay Greeson:
In truth, recruiting has far and away been the high point of Butch Jones' first year, and that's a good thing. He made that pledge when he was hired, and he has delivered on it by amassing a collection of pledges from high school standouts that some experts in matters of recruiting believe Jones' bevy of ball-players is the nation's second-best group."
Maybe you're right. he was a decent recruiter. He was a pretty dmn elite recruiter. Jones had top 15 recruiting classes in all 4 of his years at Tennessee, according to Rivals, including two top 5 classes.
Maybe do a little bit of research next time, before making a statement so off base?
The notion that there are only one or two individuals that could turn around Rutgers football is really mistaken in my view. The next Saban / Dabo / Meyer is coaching somewhere at a lower level now and obtainable. Would Meyer out of Bowling Green have not succeeded because he had never coached in the big time? Of course he would have.
There is way too much drama here, amplified by the fact that it is human nature to try to recreate previous good experiences. Temple and Cincinnati seem to lose coaches all the time and just hire the next good young one. This is football and not the Apollo project.
Whoever the hire is, Schiano or not, there can never be a contract that Rutgers cannot buy itself out of if it is not working. This is a lesson that should have been learned with Ash.
To answer your question directly, Haftley could be one that would make a fine hire. He is very much a rising star right now.
When did Jones turned around a bottom 10 school. No booster will hire recruits dad or buy them houses. This is not the SEC. he is also not taking over a program left behind by Brian Kelly.
These are fair points. But it is also fair to acknowledge that the bar for success is also lower at Rutgers. If the next coach can't beat Temple regularly, it's a big problem. But they don't have to beat Ohio State. Basically, they need to get to where Illinois is this year. It is absolutely not impossible to do that.
As another point, look at Jones at Tennessee. He greatly improved recruiting and was not left much by his predecessor.
I've mentioned this in the past when BJ has been brought up but I could imagine BC's OC Mike Bajakian being Jones' OC espeically if Addazio is fired. He was OC for BJ at CMU/Cincy and the initial couple years at Tenn. He's a NJ native, went to Bergen Catholic and has been a GA at RU in late 90s similar to Jones.
Anything we can offer OSU can match or beat except for the HC spot unless he's really got some hankering to come back to NJ for less than HC.....doesn't seem realistic.
After what just went down, Butch won't touch this job with a ten foot pole. Anyone suggesting otherwise is just fooling themselves.
Who is going to hire the recruits dad? It’s a big ask to get us to where Illinois is now in the B1G East.
Jones won't work out here. Sure he'd like the money he'd get here. He would take it. But he won't get enough money to hire a decent group of coaches, nor a commitment to improve facilities. He might be the best we can do, but he's not gonna turn this around. He is doesn't have a dynamic enough personality to recruit at the level we need to revive this dead program.
Butch loves the limelight of being a head coach. He loves the PR side of it. He got very fortunate here at UT to get some legacy recruits and a few really good in state guys that came in the beginning. Josh Dobbs saved his ass countless times. I mean we had Alvin Freaking Kamara and he got less than 10 touches a game until his senior season. How is that for evaluating talent? He will spin a good story for you and he actually may do better in the NJ area than he did in the south. His roots are more up north. He is a decent dude but more of a manager than a coach in my opinion...that’s why no one picked him up as a coordinator after he was fired. We have an actual coach right now and glad we do. Rutgers may need a PR kinda coach now. If Jones will hire good coaches around him, he will get you to a bowl game or two maybe. But please take him! We can save a ton of money we are still paying him.
There 2010 team was done in by the offensive scheme. The prior year Syracuse exposed it. Everyone prepping to play us the following year saw that game tape. All a defense had to do was blitz an LB to the point 5 yards behind center. The ball was there on every single play. The QB would take the snap under center and turn away from the LOS dropping back to that point and either hand it off to turn around there and try to find a receiver or try to see where the blitz pressure was coming from.
Sound stupid? It was. Furthermore that plan caused the OL to look like every down was a passing down.. so they stood up like it was s pass play even when it was a running play. That works in the NFL because the talent is about equal across the OL and DL.. and the QBs are highly accurate and the WRs can catch... and the QBs can do re-snap reads and predict where they should look to throw the ball even before the snap is made. And they practice those routes so much more than a college team can.
It was just sooooo stupid.. and Flood was co-OC. He was part of that.. thing.
We won a close Syracuse game in 2010 because GS looked at the tape of the prior years game and changed the offense himself for that game.
Jones had TENNESSEE to coach in the SEC East. back then.. there was no reason for the Vols to struggle that much in conference play. We have no idea what GS can do with a BigTen Rutgers. But he did enough inheriting Shea's Rutgers to deserve another shot.
And Pruitt is good? He's a million times worse and his tough guy high school act on the sidelines is silly. You guys just celebrated like you won the national championship after making a bowl game - something Butch did in his sleep. Pruitt is horrendous, but so is your SEC East schedule allowing you to win a few games. Butch would be good hire and was good at Tenn. Your analysis is very flawed.
It doesn't matter who we hire there will be resistance as we have a very vocal group of people who think only Schiano can win here. A group that wants to go as far as firing the AD, removing everyone from the BIG that doesn't want Greg, and making Greg the AD over all sports.
Maybe there was no reason for that struggle but they hadn't been above .500 in conference the previous 5 years and the two years before he arrived were both 1-7. He wasn't exactly stepping into a situation where they were rolling.
They were the same distance removed from their last winning season when he arrived as we are now.
Pruitt is good. He is an actual football coach. Now he is learning to be a head coach but I would take him a 1000 times over Jones. Butch was aided by legacies and a few stellar in state recruits. He missed on more than he was right on. He takes 250lb offensive linemen and thinks he can make them great 300lb+ linemen in a few years. It never worked out. Pruitt is better because he knows what he needs to recruit for a Power 5 program because that is what he has been doing. Jones thought he was still recruiting to CM or Cinncy. UT should have never hired Jones or Dooley. This is just my opinion my friend.....flawed for not. If hired, I hope he does well for RU. He will look good on paper and for a BOT to approve but I don't think he will recruit the kind of players you need to compete in the Big10. If he can find his Josh Dobbs, Alvin Kamara, Jalen Hurd and Derek Barnett for RU then those 4 players can help you win a few and be respectable for awhile and get himself an extension. I doubt he will. He is looking for another payday.
That’s BS! Offer Jones the exact same thing you just offered Greg and watch how fast he says yes!
Of course he would take what we offered Schiano. I'm just not sure that we're in a position to offer the same thing to Jones after a donor revolt.
Not a Greg only guy, but I'll support a coach that shows me the school takes it seriously.
Very afraid they're looking to do it on the cheap. THAT I'll find unacceptable.
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