Apparently Bob doesn't like it when people are critical of our deficiencies. Pretty sure the OP posed the question of whether or not incoming frosh can beat the incumbent. This is a fair question and most replies have been fair as well. But Bob would rather we sit on our hands and not have the discussion/debate. Maybe Bob should sit on his hands and stay out of this particular topic if he gets all upset. Maybe Bob, who has apparently been around a very long time, has grown content to continue to wait for competent qb play. Hell he's been through many many years over decades with lots of incompetent qb play, so what's another couple years. Some people will keep riding a broken donkey....others seek something better. But I will suggest this to Bob: if you want to call out other posters rather than have a discussion/debate, you are probably the more juvenile one despite what your tenure might suggest. Lots of us have been around a long time, but many of us are not content with incompetence.