Two NBA players in?
They are heralded recruits with talent who have not proven anything yet.
I guarantee you both of them will be shocked at how they’re defended next year.
The adjustment to this level is huge.
Basketball Cliff Omoruyi to enter Transfer Portal
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They are heralded recruits with talent who have not proven anything yet.
I guarantee you both of them will be shocked at how they’re defended next year.
The adjustment to this level is huge.
Our roster was completely unstable with Mag here
He was here for 4 years and earned a degree. That is loyal.
In this crazy environment players can play on multiple teams in 4 years.
Pike needs to bring in a few portal players who are 3rd year or 4th year guys. Teams that do well in the tournaments tend to have multiple 22 year olds.
Best Cliff moment, with a comedic assist from RHJ. Watching this never gets old.
Yup, and everyone seems to want them surrounded with role players or more unproven guys, not leaders. Or stars we have shot at, of course.
How so? Legitimately interested to hear how the roster is more stable today than it was for the last game.
Many people believe Mag could have played in more games but decided not to and quit on the team. The team had no chemistry in the last few weeks, and some players were checked out knowing they would be in the portal soon.
What's left of the roster are players who actually want to be on the team, and with an exciting and strong recruiting class coming in.
because the kid was not playing..pretty simple...being hamstrung by a injured player for one...than he actually isnt injured but just deciding not to play...gee you think that has an impact
there is no loss in getting rid of a player that wasnt contribute for almost a year
To put it more bluntly ... if someone doesn't want to be here, get them the F away from everyone else who does want to be here as quickly as possible. The fastest way to wreck a team is to have one or two malcontents embeded. That is exactly what it looks like happened the last month of this season. Pike should have offered to get Mag to whatever team he wanted to play on as soon as it became obvious he had checked out.
I think he’s really just saying the D wouldn’t have been as good without Cliff’s rim protection even with elite defenders like Caleb. It’s not entirely false thought I’d counter that foul trouble was way more of a problem this year with Caleb having departed.
What's that got to do with next year, when he'd be another year removed from surgery. He was back to being close to our best player when he was playing before shutting down, averaging what, 14 a game on 53% shooting the first three games of the winning streak that everyone credits J Will for?
If they don't want to be there, show them the door. I don't care if you have to hold open try-outs in the RAC on a Sunday afternoon to fill spots on the bench. I give the benefit of the doubt to everyone, but Mag. At least they dressed and got on the court.
Of course, we don’t know the entire situation and if Mag was just lying about his condition, there is nothing you can do (says more about him than anything else). However, if that wasn’t the case, the cancer needs to be cut out immediately. I’m really glad, Pike made them declare their intentions early. Just as players don’t owe coaches anything, a coach owes the player nothing in return anymore. It’s kind of a shame that a stand-up guy like Pike has to get kind of sleezy to survive but it’s the rules (or lack thereof) that everyone now has to live by. I could see a lot of coaches with integrity bowing out of this new reality…and it’s only going to get worse. The Pitinos, Caliparis, and Pearls are going to become even more influential, unfortunately.
Yeah, Mag had never come back to the team from an injury before. Kid got abused in his years here, body of a wing playing the 4. He's just acting like everyone else now. No shows for bowl games, ect.
Thanks for 4 years. When he committed, Rutgers-Hating Mike Francessa mentioned the commit on his radio show. He is a St. Johns and ND football guy. He hated talking about Rutgers. Mike said the Cliff commit is what legit programs accomplish. Thanks to Cliff and thanks to Pike for getting him. Cliff needed a PG who could feed him the right way in the post, we all know that. Nothing but love and gratitude to Cliff
Cliff...great guy from all accounts...did a solid job. But he never developed offensively in 4 years. 60% of his points are dunks. There were also lots of games where his rebounding would mysteriously disappear, even against lowly opponents. Simpson outrebounded him in at least a few games. Can't happen. Hoping we can find a few high quality players from portal to play with Ace, Dylan, and likely JWill.
Here are the numbers over 4 years tracked by Torvik.
Cliff(4yrs) 2pt FG 499-887 56.3%
Dunks (SR) 51-62, (JR) 73-82, (SO) 93-107, (FR) 17-22
Dunks(4 yrs) 234-273 85.7%
At the Rim 102-155, 146-229, 131-177, 26-39
*Within 5ft(inc. dunks) 405-600 67.5%*
Non dunks 171-327 52.3%
Mid Range 27-94, 29-102, 29-75, 9-16
*5ft to 3pt line 94-287. 32.8%*
3pt 7-35 20%
Cliff(4yrs) 2pt FG 499-887 56.3%
Dunks (SR) 51-62, (JR) 73-82, (SO) 93-107, (FR) 17-22
Dunks(4 yrs) 234-273 85.7%
At the Rim 102-155, 146-229, 131-177, 26-39
*Within 5ft(inc. dunks) 405-600 67.5%*
Non dunks 171-327 52.3%
Mid Range 27-94, 29-102, 29-75, 9-16
*5ft to 3pt line 94-287. 32.8%*
3pt 7-35 20%
And how do you know how "fine" his knee is? have you looked at the x-rays or consulted with his doctors?
I am not throwing the kid under the bus just because he decided not to play after busting his ass tying to get back and help the team after an injury.
Maybe he was trying to save his health for next year. If he was, I am not going to condemn him for that. i certainly am not going to question the kid's heart when I don't really know how much he was really hurting or how much he was concerned about his health for next year. Suggesting he was not hurting at all is a "red flag" suggesting the poster is a narcissist.
There are not that many Kirk Gibson's out there, who likely were willing to trade their future for an immediate need. There are also not that many guys who make such a sacrifice who receive any reward at all. At least Gibson got credit for it.
It disgusts me to read all the hate being spewed by posters who likely never had to deal with such an injury. The young man worked his butt off for RU and had to deal with some nasty injuries besides. Before you question his heart, maybe you can share with me the instances when you gave up your future for the benefit of your athletic teammates.
Watching his interaction with his teammates and reading the responses from his team suggests most of those who fought the battles with him were not questioning his heart.
I choose to remember the way he battled for his teammates and worked his way into a role as an exceptional defender, one whom the Maryland coach suggested was the heart of the team.
If he "quit" on the team as some have suggested and exaggerated, I am disappointed. He still made a significant contribution to the team during his 4 years here.
I have no hate for the guy. But I also won’t bury my head in the sand. Pike told us what was going on. You can ignore it. Have at it. If you find the truth to be “hate” so be it.
Remember when Pike spoke at length on senior night about Mag. Talked about him being a warrior working his way back, fighting through injury to play, etc. Yeah, me neither because it didn’t happen. And Pike goes out of his way to pump up his guys.
I will recognize his contributions. I will acknowledge his exit.
This is naive. Players are who they are. Cliff played 4 years without developing and ain’t ever going to be a skilled offensive player no matter who the coach is.
You’re absolutely wrong. Cliff made huge improvements. But he’s still got a ways to go.
He throws fastballs at the backboard. If you are suggesting his shot velo has increased, you are right. There’s never been a less coordinated player at Rutgers. Athletic freak, horrible coordination
He did improve insofar as he didn't pick up as many fouls. I will say, he never got benefit of whistle. But if you think his offense developed here over 4 years given the sorta super athletic big guy he is, I just didn't see it.
I don’t disagree that his offense needs work, as does his touch - I’ve said as much. But to suggest he didn’t improve is an absurdly bad take.
I am usually on the same page with you, but if they were eligible, Ace and Dylan would both be top 3 draft picks this year, and would be at a minimum rotation players and a good chance they would be starting in the NBA.
He was hurt during Kentucky’s international trip, missed all of preseason and the first six or so games of the season and has never got on track this year. And last year‘s class is considered substantially inferior to this years class, Ace and Dylan are better prospects.
What has he improved at on offense ? With all due respect to your basketball knowledge, absolutely nothing. He can’t shoot, pass or dribble. He can’t play facing the basket and sometimes he tries to score from behind the basket, not realizing where he is. Besides alley oops, he’s got no game at all.
I’d want him back because he’s a very good defender, but he ain’t ever going to be skilled on the other end of the court
He hasn’t improved anywhere near enough on offense - long way to go there. Did you read my post - I was agreeing with you.
I’m not going to write off a guy in only his 8th year of organized basketball - I’ll be hoping he finds that part of his game and is able to have success in the pros.
Ok, your “huge improvements” claim set me off. He has no offensive talent outside of a dunk or two a game. Zero. Coaching can’t fix that.
Well I for one hope we’re not aiming for offense as the only priority for our BIG from the portal. We need offense from the guard and forward transfers, yes. But replacing Cliff’s rim protection won’t be easy. I’d be very happy with collection of centers that mirror what we had in 2019-20. Ogbole can match Shaq Doorson’a production. Somerville hopefully can match Shaq Carter. I’d be quite happy with someone like MJ to complete the 5 spot. Less offense than Cliff.
Yikes why did you have to bring up #15 ? As bad as Cliff is on offense, he’s 10x better than #15 and I was glad he left, where he was ‘encouraged’ to pursue his studies and not play a 5th year.#15 certainly got ‘the talk’ out west. Cliff is a better defender too. No comparison.
Cliff will definitely be hard to replace on D but virtually any big in we can get will be better on O.
We will start two guards next year, not three. I think GG starts at the 3 and Ace the 4. A quality 5 will make all the difference if we can get one.
Cliff will definitely be hard to replace on D but virtually any big in we can get will be better on O.
We will start two guards next year, not three. I think GG starts at the 3 and Ace the 4. A quality 5 will make all the difference if we can get one.
anyone see the Cliff Transfer highlights video yet?
The one where they only do cool Sht?
I’ll probably cry watching 8 minutes of only dunks and blocks but it will probably make a good reel with those beats.
The one where they only do cool Sht?
I’ll probably cry watching 8 minutes of only dunks and blocks but it will probably make a good reel with those beats.
He can have made huge improvements and still have a lot to do. He was an athlete when he got here.
Next year (and perhaps only next year) we’ll be in great shape to land someone who is as good on D as either of them. With the surrounding playmakers we have that’s all we need at that position. We have to be very careful scouting midmajor centers who “create” for themselves. First of all, that ability may not transfer up a level. And secondly - the intent isn’t going to be to run the offense through the center we bring in. From a chemistry / fit perspective, we want a kid who is going to take what the D gives which may be a lot given the surrounding players.
Thanks for this. That collection of players is one of my favorite teams ever to watch. Loved their attitude. We need to get that attitude back.
