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Carousel spins in weird ways. Other programs in p5 might be interested in sendek. Illinois?not sure who else is on hot seat

Dont count on next coach getting roster intact. It rarely works that way. Itd be a huge upset if sanders and laurent stay. Others might go also.
I would not be worried about keeping a roster together that can't compete in the Big 10. We made the mistake in football hiring a coach to keep a recruiting class together as opposed to getting the best coach. Keeping Jordan for the sake of keeping the roster intact should not be even part of the discussion.
 
Seton Hall is a better job than Rutgers right now - maybe not down the road, but right now.

Willard could get a look from someone else - he'd be smart to stay right where he is
 
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Right now Rutgers isn't even the third best team in NJ which is a telling statement how far this program has fallen.
 
Dont count on next coach getting roster intact. It rarely works that way. Itd be a huge upset if sanders and laurent stay. Others might go also.

Don't count on the next coach wanting to keep the roster intact. Most of the players on our roster, quite frankly, ended up here.
 
I know Pat. I know his MO. He's very thoughtful and patient. The Willard hiring was, in part, hiring a guy who's last name is VERY well respected in the CBB community. He cleaned up the Bobby mess (see Herb Pope latest) and brought in Pat Lyons. He utilizes the process a lawyer does. Methodical, unbelievably detail oriented but has a personality that can get your fan base excited. I trust whatever he does he's doing for the right reason. I know fans on our board got impatient with Kevin and that's their perogative. But if you want to see how Hobbs operates, take a look a Pat Lyons. That will tell you more about him than anything else could. Good luck no matter what happens.
 
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Don't count on the next coach wanting to keep the roster intact. Most of the players on our roster, quite frankly, ended up here.

I agree; am only responding to earlier poster who suggested Sendek with current roster was a good combo. I agree with you and with rubaseball. You hire the right coach and the chips will fall where they may re the current roster including Corey and laurent. Have to assume they leave. just get the right guy to find their replacments and more like them.
 
All I've heard is UNLV regarding Sendek, but the style of play doesn't fit Vegas and was told he wasn't interested in UNLV but was highly interested in RU (assuming the job opens). I don't know what other candidates are out there, but the compensation isn't going to be overwhelming for RU to manage. Any other candidate has the liberty to leverage RU interest into an additional 2 or 3 year extension being added to their current contract at their school, which Danny Hurley secured from URI 3 years ago.

Sendek (to me) is the most qualified and least attached coach with Power 5 experience that has won at this level at 2 different places. He is the "bridge" to bringing a respectable program back into play and whatever RU gets out of that is more than enough to have the program stabilized for the next coach once Sendek decides he doesn't want to coach anymore. I don't see his style failing at RU as far as what it takes to rebuild....back to defense, rebounding and a more controlled offense (extremely vanilla, but effective).

After that, any of the other candidates have more risk, but can surely succeed at RU as well. I don't see any downside with most of the candidates, but Sendek provides the quickest and most reliable turnaround, in an elite conference of coaches and staffs. There would be little to state that Sendek doesn't matchup with the bulk of the conference as far as experience, past winning etc.
 
Hawk gets this

Sendek is a proven winner who was coach of the year in two power five confrences and won 400 games

He will get this place back on it's feet...

We need someone who has won and shows that we mean business in men's basketball and not just hope with a young coach for the future

This guy got to the NCAAs five years in a row in the ACC. That is enough for me
 
I always liked Sendek but I never realized how good his record actually was until I looked it up. I'd be pretty excited if we could get this done.
 
A Vitale interview with Sendek from last summer...

"You belong in coaching," Vitale told Sendek. "Somebody out there, an athletic director, someone looking for somebody with class, quality, character, the whole [bid], great for young people, and you're going to win...A lot of people don't realize you took Arizona State to the postseason. I mean, last year, you finished fifth in the conference."

http://www.houseofsparky.com/2015/8/24/9196025/asu-basketball-herb-sendek-dick-vitale-periscope
 
His PAC 10/12 record at Arizona State was 72-90.

Last 5 years was a total 83-81 and 38-42 in conference play. He was then fired. He read the writing on the wall and left NC State.

This isn't a slam dunk.

I'd have to be knocked off my feet in an interview to hire him.
 
take a look at the 2011-12 season...real ugly. finishes 231st in kenpom.

losses to pepperdine fairfield nevada no. arizona frsno st. all in 1 year. Eddie Jordanesque

How often do real successful coaches have a season like that?
 
Everyone seems to be in agreement that Sendek would be a great candidate and I'd take him in a heartbeat right now too. I suppose you can pick apart his record to make it fit whatever argument you want but what is the prevailing opinion on why he is still available and why wouldn't he be more desirable to others or even us?



Season Team Overall Conference Standing Postseason
Miami Redskins
(Mid-American Conference) (1993–1996)
1993–94 Miami 19–11 12–6 2nd NIT First Round
1994–95 Miami 23–7 16–2 1st NCAA Second Round
1995–96 Miami 21–8 12–6 3rd NIT First Round
Miami: 63–26 (.708) 40–14 (.741)
NC State Wolfpack (Atlantic Coast Conference) (1996–2006)
1996–97 NC State 17–15 4–12 8th NIT Second Round
1997–98 NC State 17–15 5–11 8th NIT Second Round
1998–99 NC State 19–14 6–10 5th NIT Second Round
1999–00 NC State 20–14 6–10 6th NIT Semifinal
2000–01 NC State 13–16 5–11 7th
2001–02 NC State 23–11 9–7 T–3rd NCAA Second Round
2002–03 NC State 18–13 9–7 4th NCAA First Round
2003–04 NC State 21–10 11–5 2nd NCAA Second Round
2004–05 NC State 21–14 7–9 T–6th NCAA Sweet Sixteen
2005–06 NC State 22–10 10–6 4th NCAA Second Round
NC State: 191–132 (.591) 72–88 (.450)
Arizona State (Pacific-10/12 Conference) (2006–2015)
2006–07 Arizona State 8–22 2–16 10th
2007–08 Arizona State 21–12 9–9 5th NIT Quarterfinal
2008–09 Arizona State 25–10 11–7 3rd NCAA Second Round
2009–10 Arizona State 22–11 12–6 2nd NIT First Round
2010–11 Arizona State 12–19 4–14 10th
2011–12 Arizona State 10–21 6–12 10th
2012–13 Arizona State 21–12 9–9 6th NIT Second Round
2013–14 Arizona State 21–12 10–8 T–3rd NCAA Second Round
2014–15 Arizona State 18–16 9–9 T–5th NIT Second Round
Arizona State: 155–133 (.538) 68–86 (.442)
Total: 407–291 (.583)
 
take a look at the 2011-12 season...real ugly. finishes 231st in kenpom.

losses to pepperdine fairfield nevada no. arizona frsno st. all in 1 year. Eddie Jordanesque

How often do real successful coaches have a season like that?

Are you trying give bac and hawk a stroke? Given the choices he has to be a serious candidate. I'd probably have him #2 after Danny Hurley. None of the choices we will have are slam dunks.
 
Greene....it's not hiring Buzz Williams at 3.5 to 4M a year away from Marquette....there are very few slam dunks under 2M a year....schools like Tennessee and Texas Tech lucked out with firings of Rick Barnes and Tubby Smith, two HOF caliber coaching legends.

That type of candidate doesn't exist at these price points.....If there is a safer/experienced Power 5 hire that is currently available or not working or working at another school, we can line them up...

Kelvin Sampson-Houston....wins at every level, track record somewhat spotty
Lon Kruger-wins at every stop....was at UNLV, Oklahoma smartly hired him 3 to 4 years ago.....
Ernie Kent-won some games at Oregon, eventually was fired and off the market and hired by old boss who was former AD at Oregon, who is now the AD at WSU....

Potential candidates that may get chopped....

Washington's Lorenzo Romar-wins most years, but not a lock for NCAA's....

John Groce-Illinois-....very successful track record in the MAC, now at Illinois.....

Frank Haith-Tulsa.....just "rehired" after resigning from Mizzou, after scandal, under the radar type of coach...would he leave the AAC for RU?? Probably not, has red flags with recruiting practices.

Richard Pitino Jr....-Minnesota.....on chopping block after latest scandal.

Other "retreads" like Ben Howland-Miss State, Larry Eustachy-Colorado State, Tim Floyd (UTEP) all have track records that are similar to Sendek at Power 5 schools, with some issues that have come up. All of these coaches were either toxic or too messy for a Power 5 to touch.....Howland was almost at Oregon State after leaving/fired from UCLA....UCLA is essentially in same condition with Steve Alford.

It's not impossible to have a bad year in the Pac 10-12....if you are or have a dip in recruiting, teams will whip past you immediately.....Our B1G is an unforgiving league, Ohio State is a bubble team with 10 frosh and sophs....Iowa was that "bubble team 2-3 years ago, but now has 6 seniors and a Top 15 school this year.....next year, they may fall off the cliff and drop off the NIT radar.

RU needs a credible/legitimate hire. There isn't a candidate that has avoided this....I was killing Jay Wright 5-6 years ago for signing/recruiting bad players like St. Anthony's Dominick Cheek, a consensus Top 60 player that coasted in every workout AAU event I saw....eventually Nova bottomed out to 13-19 and was playing RU in the first night of the Big East tournament....after shedding these selfish players and recruiting more team oriented players, they are locked in the Top 15-20 programs for the last 2 years.

I feel Sendek is the closest we get to Mike Rice on attention/game plan/maximizing talent, without the antics Rice displayed.....I don't have an argument against any other coach, but I don't see a better alternative at the price point RU has and we aren't flush with facilities...we need solid game day coaching and teaching and a plan on both ends of the court.
 
His PAC 10/12 record at Arizona State was 72-90.

Last 5 years was a total 83-81 and 38-42 in conference play. He was then fired. He read the writing on the wall and left NC State.

This isn't a slam dunk.

I'd have to be knocked off my feet in an interview to hire him.

Here we go again....do I really need to shoot down your spin on his #'s YET AGAIN my friend?
 
JT III is 49 years old. Could be a long wait.

They're on the downswing.
So you would not have hired Joe Torre or Bill Belichick?

Tom Coughlin.

Avery Johnson

Tubby Smith

Ben Howland

Rick Pitino (fired by Boston)

Calipari (fired by Nets) NBA but still fired which you equate to "retread"

Steve Lavin took St Johns to NCAAs and was fired by UCLA

Jerry Tark at Fresno State

Tommy Amaker

Steve Fisher

Mark Gottfried

Rick Barnes

Bruce Pearl

Larry Eustachy

Tim Floyd

Kelvin Sampson
 
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Had a lengthy exchange with a contact that knows a couple of agents within College and Professional Coaching circles and the topic came up regarding what UNC would do if Roy Williams did in-fact step down for health related concerns IF he was able to engineer the Tar Heels to a National Championship....For those that are not completely aware, Williams has had some health concerns that may force him to consider a retirement. I then asked what he was aware of regarding RU job and the fact Eddie Jordan came from the NBA and how RU has struggled.

He agreed that Eddie was just not a right fit and surprisingly confirmed a decent amount of interest in the RU likely opening, once it likely opens in the next few weeks. The names that have interest are similar to what's been mentioned over the last couple of weeks, this is a brief breakdown of the RU Coaching Board, via this contact that is not associated with RU, but is connected enough to know what coaches are in play for openings or potential openings.

Names that are 100% interested in the job.

Herb Sendek-High Interest-Former NC State and Arizona State head coach

Will Brown (current Albany HC)- High Interest
- Some concern about RU but clearly would take job if offered (find it difficult that he would wait for a smaller school like an A-10 or MAAC type school)

Danny Hurley (current URI HC)-Moderately High Interest (only due to current contract situation at Rhode Island....there is more than enough history, so no need to rehash or debate whether he'd take the job....he almost has to consider it yet again.

Seth Greenberg-Former Virginia Tech and current ESPN analyst-High Interest.- Only drawback is he's 59, but has the track record of recruiting and is ultimately familiar with the tri-state area.

Mike Lonergan-(current GW Head Coach) Moderate Interest-Not sure he wants to uproot family and depart DC area....this one bears watching on whether interest goes from Moderate to High.

Steve Massiello (current Manhattan Head Coach)-High Interest-Is extremely interested and contact believes if offered he would accept the job immediately. Was told specifically beyond this conversation that he would walk to RU if offered....has work ethic that RU needs at this stage to get the kids into the program to win.

Tommy Amaker (Harvard coach, former Michigan and Seton Hall HC), little or no interest....confirmed via multiple sources, not interested in RU job....essentially would only be interested in Duke job, if and when Coach K retires.....only mentioned because of past ties/connection to Hobbs at Seton Hall.

I didn't get any other names but there were some names elsewhere regarding coaches that are doing a good job locally like Princeton's Mitch Henderson (former long time Associate Head Coach at Northwestern under Bill Carmody) and Bashir Mason (current coach at Wagner) or Iona's coach Tim Cluess as well........other outside names beyond coaching circles like Kevin Boyle were not mentioned...folks like Monmouth's King Rice for various reasons are off the radar, regardless of his extension just agreed to or not.

The keys to this list isn't necessarily whether these coaches can assemble a better job than what RU has today....it's really a matter of whether they can match up with the right assistant coaches assembled, to allow a better competitive product in recruiting and game management vs the rest of the B1G. RU ultimately needs credibility, the league is truly unforgiving from a competition/financial standpoint, unlike past years in the Big East....in the old Big East there were the financial haves and have nots.....RU could find a couple of wins against programs or coaching staffs that were on the level of where RU was (DePaul, SHU at times, Providence, USF etc)......those matchups and easier road trips in not so intimidating gyms are over....There are no gimmes in the B1G to pick up.

Sendek apparently has already assembled a potential staff that consists of a couple of current assistant coaches elsewhere that would arrive immediately in tow, with recruiting connections/Players that can help RU immediately. These are current and active full time assistants at D1 (some Power 5) schools that are consistent winners or working under very good Head Coaches right now. I confirmed one of the assistants, but cannot mention their name out of courtesy for where they are and to not compromise what potential is in place for their potential arrival at RU.

I would place Sendek, Will Brown and Danny Hurley as home run hires for RU and current favorites based on this exchange of information. I know there are "pie in the sky" types of coaches elsewhere, where fans may automatically think "offer 3M to Gregg Marshall at Wichita State" or "offer 4M to Nova's Jay Wright", but those coaches are not realistic options for where RU is financially and with the program.

This thread isn't meant to determine whether Eddie should stay or not, or what the potential fallout would be on players, current recruits, if and when a change ultimately happens. It's also not meant to rehash the "what if RU hired this person 10-15 years ago", those are past discussions that don't change anything.

It's meant to identify a conversation of what coaches are on the proverbial radar for an opening that many believe will open for RU in the very near future and RU's future financial standing within the B1G that ultimately is the carrot that eventually elevates this job to a true next level going forward.

It would be interesting to see how these coaches ultimately get interviewed/sorted out. In this case, similar to the Football Coaching search, a lot of rumors and very little leaks were out there before Ash was hired for Football...that was due to RU using a search firm to conduct the review, so I don't think you'll see a parade of people calling Hobbs directly or media members calling Los Angeles to talk to a candidate that says they want the RU job...... Hobbs is sharp and will conduct this properly and identify what choice may make sense for RU.

Fire away as you see fit......it's as accurate as it can be based on where things are today.....

Greenberg was also GOLD @ Long Beach State. I say this because he followed Lute Olsen / The Shark & was successful.
At 59, he's still young enough (how old is Larry Brown?).

MO
 
take a look at the 2011-12 season...real ugly. finishes 231st in kenpom.

losses to pepperdine fairfield nevada no. arizona frsno st. all in 1 year. Eddie Jordanesque

How often do real successful coaches have a season like that?
And then look at the three seasons before and the three following. We aren't getting Adolph Rupp, Fig. This guy looks great.
 
Anyone hear of Chris Ash a few months ago?

The interviews would be SO important in determining if I'd hire Sendek.

Arizona State and NC State jobs were a piece of cake compared to this one. It is going to take a real special person with a tank that says FULL.

Anyone who has an ego that thinks they show up and do what worked before will be sadly mistaken.

Sendek may be the best option. his last 2 jobs didn't think he was worth keeping.

I can understand once, but twice. Why?
 
Anyone hear of Chris Ash a few months ago?

The interviews would be SO important in determining if I'd hire Sendek.

Arizona State and NC State jobs were a piece of cake compared to this one. It is going to take a real special person with a tank that says FULL.

Anyone who has an ego that thinks they show up and do what worked before will be sadly mistaken.

Sendek may be the best option. his last 2 jobs didn't think he was worth keeping.

I can understand once, but twice. Why?
What's your coaching list consist of? I'd like to know.
 
What's your coaching list consist of? I'd like to know.

Don't have one. I'd end up interviewing a few guys we are bringing up and 4-5 up and comers .

My ideal candidate is young, was an assistant at a top program, now has his own smaller program, and is now ready to take the next step.

Not sure how many fit this bill in a given year.
 
Don't have one. I'd end up interviewing a few guys we are bringing up and 4-5 up and comers .

My ideal candidate is young, was an assistant at a top program, now has his own smaller program, and is now ready to take the next step.

Not sure how many fit this bill in a given year.
That sounds great but finding those guys is not so easy.
 
Anybody that might carp at Sendek's record has to note that Duke under Coach K and UNC under Dean Smith and MD under Lefty Dreisell always got the lion's share of the recruits. Seem to remember NC State winning the ACC with David Thompson and some 7'3 guy who was in the NBA for a few years--way back when Bill Walton was playing, 40 years ago.
TL
 
That sounds great but finding those guys is not so easy.
Joe Dooley at FGCU is one. Age: 50. Long-time assistant at Kansas. West Orange, NJ native. Wisconsin interim head coach Greg Gard, if Wisconsin does not hire him as their full-time coach. Gard is age 46. Will Wade at VCU. Less than 40 years old. Chief recruiter when Shaka Smart put VCU on national landscape. Previously had interest in Rutgers opening.
 
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Joe Dooley at FGCU is one. Age: 50. Long-time assistant at Kansas. West Orange, NJ native. Wisconsin interim head coach Greg Gard, if Wisconsin does not hire him as their full-time coach. Gard is age 46. Will Wade at VCU. Less than 40 years old. Chief recruiter when Shaka Smart put VCU on national landscape. Previously had interest in Rutgers opening.
Wade won't leave. He just got the job, and it's a better one.

Joe Dooley over Sendek based on what? He coached at Kansas under Self. It's not like Calipari assistants killed it just because they were assistants for Kentucky. One got fired at Auburn. Another is at USF and losing. Would Norm Roberts be good for us because he worked for Self? No.

People want Dooley over Sendek and Hurley? I think I should log off for the night.
 
Wade won't leave. He just got the job, and it's a better one.

Joe Dooley over Sendek based on what? He coached at Kansas under Self. It's not like Calipari assistants killed it just because they were assistants for Kentucky. One got fired at Auburn. Another is at USF and losing. Would Norm Roberts be as good as Dooley because he worked for Self? No.
Dooley would certainly be a candidate behind the first tier. The kind of guy who would definitely take the job.
 
B1GNJHoops ... Not promoting any of these guys over Sendek, just answering poster needmorecowbell's requests for names that match GreenRiceFIG's candidate credentials. Will Wade might not be completely out of the question. I've been told he makes $1M per year. What is Rutgers spending range?
 
If the job opens, we need lots of options. Really want Hurley, Lonergan, or Sendek - the first two may look to get extensions. And who knows what else might happen.

Dooley would be a solid second tier higher
 
If the job opens, we need lots of options. Really want Hurley, Lonergan, or Sendek - the first two may look to get extensions. And who knows what else might happen.

Dooley would be a solid second tier higher

I'm not necessarily a fan of this move, but if we went assistant I'd look into long time Jim Larranaga assistant Chris Caputo. Interviewed for George Mason last year.
 
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