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Ex RU wide reciever Coach PJ FLECK on a historic season,winning the MAC.Took a 1-11 team from a few years ago into a undfeated team,beating two B10 teams also this year. Fleck coached Sanu,Coleman,Tim Wright at RU..as WR coach.Some here said he was too gimmicky ..bashed his wife..now he may get..the Oregon job..or Purdue........
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Good chance he may cash in and he's had an excellent season but I don't see him as any less gimmicky than I did before. Still not sold on him for the step up to the P5 either.

Many coaches get hired and fail. The validation isn't in the hiring whether it be Oregon, Purdue or wherever. The validation is in getting consistent results after the hiring. WMU has that validation in his hiring. We don't know that about the P5 whether he gets hired or not this year.

While not undefeated Brady Hoke had a very strong year as well at Ball State and we know how his tenure at a premiere program like Michigan went. Darrell Hazell at Kent State too. Dave Doeren had 2 very good years at NIU, including an undefeated season where he left before the bowl and had a more hefty resume before he even became NIU HC and he hasn't had a winning ACC record in his 4 years at NC State. He hovers just around or above .500 overall but when I look at his OOC, I saw only 1 P5 game and that's a bad ND team this year. The rest of his OOC games during his 4 years are lower level schools so his slight above .500 overall record the last few years is likely aided by that.

Point being you can have an excellent season in the lower level but you can't assume it's going translate when you step up. Whomever it is, you always have to project but I still wouldn't be optimistic about Fleck n the P5. I definitely think he'll need Orgeron type help, as in money for top coordinators like Aranda

That being said he deserves congratulations for an excellent year and being undefeated. Even though I think Navy is better I think WMU should get the bid for the G5 spot as well. If there was a single blemish with that weak schedule I think they would've been passed assuming Navy won its last 2 games but since they're undefeated I think they should get it. I think there's a "power" to being undefeated that's hard to overlook even if the schedule was easier. Navy has 2 losses too, if it was one Navy loss maybe or if WMU had 1 loss instead probably.
 
Good chance he may cash in and he's had an excellent season but I don't see him as any less gimmicky than I did before. Still not sold on him for the step up to the P5 either.

Many coaches get hired and fail. The validation isn't in the hiring whether it be Oregon, Purdue or wherever. The validation is in getting consistent results after the hiring. WMU has that validation in his hiring. We don't know that about the P5 whether he gets hired or not this year.

While not undefeated Brady Hoke had a very strong year as well at Ball State and we know how his tenure at a premiere program like Michigan went. Darrell Hazell at Kent State too. Dave Doeren had 2 very good years at NIU, including an undefeated season where he left before the bowl and had a more hefty resume before he even became NIU HC and he hasn't had a winning ACC record in his 4 years at NC State. He hovers just around or above .500 overall but when I look at his OOC, I saw only 1 P5 game and that's a bad ND team this year. The rest of his OOC games during his 4 years are lower level schools so his slight above .500 overall record the last few years is likely aided by that.

Point being you can have an excellent season in the lower level but you can't assume it's going translate when you step up. Whomever it is, you always have to project but I still wouldn't be optimistic about Fleck n the P5. I definitely think he'll need Orgeron type help, as in money for top coordinators like Aranda

That being said he deserves congratulations for an excellent year and being undefeated. Even though I think Navy is better I think WMU should get the bid for the G5 spot as well. If there was a single blemish with that weak schedule I think they would've been passed assuming Navy won its last 2 games but since they're undefeated I think they should get it. I think there's a "power" to being undefeated that's hard to overlook even if the schedule was easier. Navy has 2 losses too, if it was one Navy loss maybe or if WMU had 1 loss instead probably.
Nice and deserved buzzkill for all those always looking with adoring eyes at the perceived "hotter chick" coaches we could have, should have, would have hired. There are no shortcuts in being successful in the B1G East, and Chris Ash is doing it the right way, brick by brick.
 
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Ex RU wide reciever Coach PJ FLECK on a historic season,winning the MAC.Took a 1-11 team from a few years ago into a undfeated team,beating two B10 teams also this year. Fleck coached Sanu,Coleman,Tim Wright at RU..as WR coach.Some here said he was too gimmicky ..bashed his wife..now he may get..the Oregon job..or Purdue........
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He might be the most gimmicky guy in coaching. Doesn't personally appeal to me but then again I'm not 19 years old.

Wasnt there a scandal with this guy a few years back or am I thinking of somebody else?
 
Nice and deserved buzzkill for all those always looking with adoring eyes at the perceived "hotter chick" coaches we could have, should have, would have hired. There are no shortcuts in being successful in the B1G East, and Chris Ash is doing it the right way, brick by brick.
My intent wasn't really to be a buzzkill and I gave my kudos to an excellent season. I'm just giving my personal assessment of the coach. I try not to get carried away in the hoopla of the moment whether it be for our hires (see some of my apprehension about Mehringer's youth/experience from Day 1) or whatever may be happening somewhere else. I just like talking coaching hires, philosophies etc.. and give my by best unbiased assessment that's all.

Personally, I didn't see the OP as taking a shot at Ash (maybe I'm wrong) thought it was just someone who liked Fleck, not necessarily mutually exclusive things.
 
My intent wasn't really to be a buzzkill and I gave my kudos to an excellent season. I'm just giving my personal assessment of the coach. I try not to get carried away in the hoopla of the moment whether it be for our hires (see some of my apprehension about Mehringer's youth/experience from Day 1) or whatever may be happening somewhere else. I just like talking coaching hires, philosophies etc.. and give my by best unbiased assessment that's all.

Personally, I didn't see the OP as taking a shot at Ash (maybe I'm wrong) thought it was just someone who liked Fleck, not necessarily mutually exclusive things.

The buzzkill was appreciated and needed. PJ Fleck did a great job at WMU, and congratulations are in order. But as you rightly pointed out, this does not translate into winning in the P5. No, and I am not suggesting the OP is taking at Ash. However, there is a perceived undercurrent of a group of posters on this board suggesting we should have hired a coach with HC experience, a BIG name coach (never going to happen), or a coach who was an OC, not a DC. This has nothing to do with the OP's post.

PJ is part of Greg's coaching tree, and spent some time at RU, and it is nice to see one of our own doing well later in his career.
 
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You may not like his style but for 1 season he had some pretty God damned favorable results.
 
That group of coaches Schiano had when he left was the best staff we have ever had, the program was about to blow up. Fleck, Hafley, Angelichio, Cignetti, Fraser, Robb Smith. My god if only he didn't leave.
 
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