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[Saint Puppy]

Is this really true? Not sure Pike and co would agree. How many years were we bad in basketball? Just because rosters are smaller doesn't necessarilly mean it's alot easier to become good at basketball. There are also alot more D1 programs in hoops to compete for talent and, like football, the top recruits typically gravitate to the blue bloods. Plus football doesn't have the AAU infrastructure to deal with. Kansas St and Tulane fans are probably saying it's alot easier to turn around football. Maybe Pike and co have just done a better job of program building.

This. That old argument is never well thought out.

First off much respect to what Pike has done here - I'm sure it has not been an easy road. However, football is KING and where the big money is at - the TV money, the booster money, the NIL money, etc. so that alone makes any program going in this direction swimming in the deep end of the pool. NIL just put our ability to be successful in football that much more further away because there is no way we can compete with what some of these players are being offered. Also remember we didn't get into the B1G because of basketball - this had everything to do with football and our vicinity to NYC. I haven't even begun to talk about the football facility wars where the top programs/donors continue to pump money and are just head and shoulders above where we are and/or are willing to go.

Secondly the smaller roster ABSOLUETELY DOES mean it's easier to compete in basketball - factor that in with football is much more connected so you need a lot more good players to have a good team. You can have 2 really good players carry a whole program in basketball - heck you can have 1 really good player carry a whole program in basketball - thinking Larry Bird off the top of my head. Football you need a lot of players - having a great QB and 1 great OL is not going to come anywhere close to what you need - and you also need both sides of the ball. This is not even mentioning the amount of depth you need because of injuries in football - especially in a P5 conference where some of these athletes are just elite level in strength and speed.

When you are comparing college football to college basketball you are talking about Multimillion Dollar House in a Gated Community vs an average house in the suburbs.

 

[RU84]

First off much respect to what Pike has done here - I'm sure it has not been an easy road. However, football is KING and where the big money is at - the TV money, the booster money, the NIL money, etc. so that alone makes any program going in this direction swimming in the deep end of the pool. NIL just put our ability to be successful in football that much more further away because there is no way we can compete with what some of these players are being offered. Also remember we didn't get into the B1G because of basketball - this had everything to do with football and our vicinity to NYC. I haven't even begun to talk about the football facility wars where the top programs/donors continue to pump money and are just head and shoulders above where we are and/or are willing to go.

Secondly the smaller roster ABSOLUETELY DOES mean it's easier to compete in basketball - factor that in with football is much more connected so you need a lot more good players to have a good team. You can have 2 really good players carry a whole program in basketball - heck you can have 1 really good player carry a whole program in basketball - thinking Larry Bird off the top of my head. Football you need a lot of players - having a great QB and 1 great OL is not going to come anywhere close to what you need - and you also need both sides of the ball. This is not even mentioning the amount of depth you need because of injuries in football - especially in a P5 conference where some of these athletes are just elite level in strength and speed.

When you are comparing college football to college basketball you are talking about Multimillion Dollar House in a Gated Community vs an average house in the suburbs.

NIL affects both football and basketball. Keep in mind the players being offered the big NIL deals are ones that we never had and never will have a shot at. In football, with a few exceptions, we’ve lived on 3 star recruits. The vast majority aren’t landing the NIL mega deals.
Yes, basketball has a smaller roster but you need more than just one or two studs. The Larry Bird example, you had to dig deep into an NBA hall of famer. Plus, even if your premise were true it’s not like it’s easy to land these studs either. The competition is ridiculously fierce. It’s like me saying all Schiano has to do is land CJ Stroud and Bijan. Robinson and we can have a good offense. Yeah that’s easy to pull off.

 

[dpwhite]

First off much respect to what Pike has done here - I'm sure it has not been an easy road. However, football is KING and where the big money is at - the TV money, the booster money, the NIL money, etc. so that alone makes any program going in this direction swimming in the deep end of the pool. NIL just put our ability to be successful in football that much more further away because there is no way we can compete with what some of these players are being offered. Also remember we didn't get into the B1G because of basketball - this had everything to do with football and our vicinity to NYC. I haven't even begun to talk about the football facility wars where the top programs/donors continue to pump money and are just head and shoulders above where we are and/or are willing to go.

Secondly the smaller roster ABSOLUETELY DOES mean it's easier to compete in basketball - factor that in with football is much more connected so you need a lot more good players to have a good team. You can have 2 really good players carry a whole program in basketball - heck you can have 1 really good player carry a whole program in basketball - thinking Larry Bird off the top of my head. Football you need a lot of players - having a great QB and 1 great OL is not going to come anywhere close to what you need - and you also need both sides of the ball. This is not even mentioning the amount of depth you need because of injuries in football - especially in a P5 conference where some of these athletes are just elite level in strength and speed.

When you are comparing college football to college basketball you are talking about Multimillion Dollar House in a Gated Community vs an average house in the suburbs.

Wow

 

[MGSA99]

What's football?

 

[High Quality H2O]

First off much respect to what Pike has done here - I'm sure it has not been an easy road. However, football is KING and where the big money is at - the TV money, the booster money, the NIL money, etc. so that alone makes any program going in this direction swimming in the deep end of the pool. NIL just put our ability to be successful in football that much more further away because there is no way we can compete with what some of these players are being offered. Also remember we didn't get into the B1G because of basketball - this had everything to do with football and our vicinity to NYC. I haven't even begun to talk about the football facility wars where the top programs/donors continue to pump money and are just head and shoulders above where we are and/or are willing to go.

Secondly the smaller roster ABSOLUETELY DOES mean it's easier to compete in basketball - factor that in with football is much more connected so you need a lot more good players to have a good team. You can have 2 really good players carry a whole program in basketball - heck you can have 1 really good player carry a whole program in basketball - thinking Larry Bird off the top of my head. Football you need a lot of players - having a great QB and 1 great OL is not going to come anywhere close to what you need - and you also need both sides of the ball. This is not even mentioning the amount of depth you need because of injuries in football - especially in a P5 conference where some of these athletes are just elite level in strength and speed.

When you are comparing college football to college basketball you are talking about Multimillion Dollar House in a Gated Community vs an average house in the suburbs.

This is a tough paradox to buy.
If you only need one really good player.
Then every team has that same opportunity to be good.
So it’s easier for everyone.
But everyone is your competition.
Therefore it’s hard.

 

[BigRnj]

Football vs Basketball rebuilding. No doubt it’s harder to bring a football team up from the Ashes (pun intended) than to do the same with basketball. 2 key recruits in hoops can often bring respectable results in a single season (not championship level, but significant improvement).

While there are many more D1 hoops teams a football roster has 6x the number of players and the separation of offense, defense, and special teams. In addition due to the international popularity of hoops recruiting is truly global, providing a deeper pool of talent (there is a much larger % of foreign players in D1 hoops than in D1 football).

Taking nothing away from Pike (he’s awesome and I’m a big fan). I also think he is a better hoops coach then GS is a football coach, but the football challenge is greater.

 

[Saint Puppy]

This is a tough paradox to buy.
If you only need one really good player.
Then every team has that same opportunity to be good.
So it’s easier for everyone.
But everyone is your competition.
Therefore it’s hard.

You are misunderstanding - my point was you can have one mega-star (Bird, Curry, Carmello, Derrick Rose, etc.) carry a college team to greatness. These are not players who are out there in abundance that 30 teams can get every year.

In comparison you could not put Peyton Manning at QB for Rutgers last year and expect us to be NCAA playoff ready - I'd be happy to get a nice bowl out of it. Can our line block for him? Are our recievers all of a sudden getting separation? Is our running game good enough to keep our opponent from playing the pass every down? Again the point is football is a lot more complex and connected.

 

[Scarlet Shack]

Another post hijacked….

 

[jerzeyguy]

Lmao. This is hilarious. If Urban Meyer were coaching Rutgers, winning Football games would look quite easy, very fast.. Likewise -- bring back Eddie Jordan; a successful basketball program- would appear damn near impossible. You just have to have the guy. Hire a good staff, make use of the 85 scholarships available to you. Be a locked in -- heady game day coach. If you can't, then yea football will seem hard to build. And it's false about how 2 or 3 studs can't carry a Football program. We are terrible at Football, but of you put Cj Stroud and Marvin Harrison Jr on Rutgers this yr, we would have won a bunch of games. Scoring alot more pts, defense on the field alot less, confidence and morale jus way up.

 

[High Quality H2O]

You are misunderstanding - my point was you can have one mega-star (Bird, Curry, Carmello, Derrick Rose, etc.) carry a college team to greatness. These are not players who are out there in abundance that 30 teams can get every year.

In comparison you could not put Peyton Manning at QB for Rutgers last year and expect us to be NCAA playoff ready - I'd be happy to get a nice bowl out of it. Can our line block for him? Are our recievers all of a sudden getting separation? Is our running game good enough to keep our opponent from playing the pass every down? Again the point is football is a lot more complex and connected.

Yea but you’re chances of getting Larry Bird or other future NBA All Stars / potential HOF level players are not great.
So that’s probably not plan A for success for most CBB programs and a bit moot.

There are 1st round / top 10 successful college quarterbacks taken every year that are busts because they are not NFL caliber. Yet they can be successful in college. It’s possible to do it without Manning.

I’m not saying basketball is harder, but I’m not buying “way easier” again because if it’s easier for everyone (your comp) you’re still fighting everyone else’s momentum.

 

[red sail]

What's football?

Something Rutgers in not very good at! 🤑

 

[RUtrumpet92]

We may look like a basketball school for now because that's the more successful program today. If football and basketball are both at similar levels, both sports would be celebrated. Alabama has a great basketball team this year but we all know most of their fans will say, that's nice, so who will be QB next season? I don't think we'd see that here if/when football is 9-3 and hoops is flirting with the top 25.

I think we're a school desperate for success in either major sport and thrilled to have one on the edge of something never accomplished here before (consecutive NCAA bid streak).

 

[BigRnj]

Lmao. This is hilarious. If Urban Meyer were coaching Rutgers, winning Football games would look quite easy, very fast.. Likewise -- bring back Eddie Jordan; a successful basketball program- would appear damn near impossible. You just have to have the guy. Hire a good staff, make use of the 85 scholarships available to you. Be a locked in -- heady game day coach. If you can't, then yea football will seem hard to build. And it's false about how 2 or 3 studs can't carry a Football program. We are terrible at Football, but of you put Cj Stroud and Marvin Harrison Jr on Rutgers this yr, we would have won a bunch of games. Scoring alot more pts, defense on the field alot less, confidence and morale jus way up.

What’s hilarious is you picking two extremes (Meyers in football and Jordan in hoops) like they are representative of how easy or hard it is to turn things around.

If CJ Stroud were on RU this year his sacks would be up and both his rushing and passing yards would be down.

Sure we would be better, and morale would be up, but we’re still not bowling. Likewise this hoops roster wouldn’t lose to Louisville (or anyone else) by 50 points even if Jordan was at the helm.

 

[SHUSource]

It wasn't easy for the coaches before Pike

None of those coaches were good. Good coaches — in either sport — make their teams good. Pikiell, to my considerable displeasure, is a very good coach.

That other guy will be spinning his wheels there forever.

 

[Hoosierfan1901]

Saying it first, RU beats Purdue on Monday. Now I dip

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