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I'm only shocked ESPN gave rebates, lol. Anybody with a half a brain knew New Years Eve afternoon and evening would be a ratings killer.
 
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They have to be crazy to try that again next year. They need to rewrite that contract asap!
 
Does anyone really think the ratings would have been that much higher on a different day? The games were blowouts. People would likely have turned the station no matter when played imo.
 
I'm only shocked ESPN gave rebates, lol. Anybody with a half a brain knew New Years Eve afternoon and evening would be a ratings killer.
Had a whole thread on it and quite a few people insisted ratings would be good - said it would start a new tradition of watching games while at parties. No way, said I. We had a party with ~25 people and I grudgingly allowed the game to be put on without sound - but I don't think anyone watched, lol. Football should never be on NY Eve.
 
They elected to have one of the biggest games of the year on a workday at 4:00 est durning a holiday that people go out to parties. Dumbest idea in a long time. They should give money back.
 
Does anyone really think the ratings would have been that much higher on a different day? The games were blowouts. People would likely have turned the station no matter when played imo.


The games were bad (thanks to B1G shooting itself in the foot) but ESPN was predicting big loses last year. They didn't want games on NYE. The crappy games just made everything even worse. Usually those games are great and you would expect at least one to be decent. Its funny that for weeks I kept seeing "experts" on TV and in print declaring that the "system" had "worked" to produce the 4 best teams when it was obvious MSU and Iowa would be roadkill. OSU people in particular are probably going to be haunted a long time for letting this season get all greasy on them.
 
Had a whole thread on it and quite a few people insisted ratings would be good - said it would start a new tradition of watching games while at parties. No way, said I. We had a party with ~25 people and I grudgingly allowed the game to be put on without sound - but I don't think anyone watched, lol. Football should never be on NY Eve.

Not to interrupt a guy self-stimulating his own back on a Friday night, but I recall more people saying that they planned to watch the games on NYE, not that they thought an NYE broadcast was going to make for great ratings. Who here even really cares about ESPN's ratings, good or bad? Since the forum in general is old as balls, as evidenced by more people having seen Benny Goodman at Rutgers than that murder-noise called hop hip, most didn't really mind tuning into the playoffs on NYE instead of NYD - a minor inconvenience, if an inconvenience at all.

You, on the other hand, were one of the few who whined - on a college football forum - about the first world problem of not having time to watch the games because you would be too busy partying. And you continue with the "football should never be on NYE" nonsense, even though there have always been some pretty good bowls on NYE. This ratings news does not a bragging right for you make, says I.
 
Not to interrupt a guy self-stimulating his own back on a Friday night, but I recall more people saying that they planned to watch the games on NYE, not that they thought an NYE broadcast was going to make for great ratings. Who here even really cares about ESPN's ratings, good or bad? Since the forum in general is old as balls, as evidenced by more people having seen Benny Goodman at Rutgers than that murder-noise called hop hip, most didn't really mind tuning into the playoffs on NYE instead of NYD - a minor inconvenience, if an inconvenience at all.

You, on the other hand, were one of the few who whined - on a college football forum - about the first world problem of not having time to watch the games because you would be too busy partying. And you continue with the "football should never be on NYE" nonsense, even though there have always been some pretty good bowls on NYE. This ratings news does not a bragging right for you make, says I.

It was a dumb idea.
Relatively speaking, no one watches football on NYE.
Too many parties and gatherings and traditions with family.

Our family always has a routine on NYE - ice skating, dinner, movie, then watch the countdown.
Barely had time to even think about the games.
 
Well it didn't seem to be an "idea," but a reality. If they can't play the games on New Year's, what else are they gonna do? I don't understand why they don't just tell the Rose Bowl to take a walk, if that's really the problem. It seems like ESPN and the Playoff committee should have the upper hand at that negotiation table. If the RB wants to be a part of the playoffs, it should agree to the same rules as the other bowls.

As for fans - either you're not doing anything to prevent you from watching the game on NYE, and it's basically like a Friday night with good games and extra booze, or you're doing something you like better. And it's 2016, you can have the cake and eat it too by watching the games, in full with pause/ff/rewind capabilities, on the ESPN app on New Year's Day or whenever you want. What's the big deal from the fan perspective?
 
Well it didn't seem to be an "idea," but a reality. If they can't play the games on New Year's, what else are they gonna do? I don't understand why they don't just tell the Rose Bowl to take a walk, if that's really the problem. It seems like ESPN and the Playoff committee should have the upper hand at that negotiation table. If the RB wants to be a part of the playoffs, it should agree to the same rules as the other bowls.

As for fans - either you're not doing anything to prevent you from watching the game on NYE, and it's basically like a Friday night with good games and extra booze, or you're doing something you like better. And it's 2016, you can have the cake and eat it too by watching the games, in full with pause/ff/rewind capabilities, on the ESPN app on New Year's Day or whenever you want. What's the big deal from the fan perspective?

A. If they can't play on New Year's then play on the Saturday after New Year's (generally the day before week 17 of the NFL) when there's literally no sports on.

B. That's a pretty rough statement. How would people like it if the semis were on Christmas Eve and the National Championship were on NYE, or the Super Bowl being played at 11am on a Tuesday? Sure technology's great, but who wants to watch a game on tape delay and who can even go 12/24 hours without having it spoiled--especially if they're out in public at a party. If the games are on NYE most people absolutely can't have their cake and eat it too.
 
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Don't know what they'll end up doing, but NYE is more traditional than the Saturday after. That would have worked this year because of the calendar, but not as well in future years.

I guess the grown men in your example B can continue to cry about something they have no control over, but they should probably put on some pants and make a decision. Go out, have fun and forget about the games altogether; stay home and watch the games; have a NYE party with games on; go somewhere that gives you your best not to see the results (like ice skating) so you can see it later, but Jesus Christ stop complaining - whatever your choice, you made it to have a good time on a holiday. Life's pretty good in your little slice of the world.

It works both ways - if you missed the games because of other plans this year, you did yourself a huge favor. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose.
 
A. If they can't play on New Year's then play on the Saturday after New Year's (generally the day before week 17 of the NFL) when there's literally no sports on.

They should have this year, but most year's that Saturday is the first week of the NFL playoffs. Going up against the NFL would be just as foolish.
 
They should have this year, but most year's that Saturday is the first week of the NFL playoffs. Going up against the NFL would be just as foolish.
Just wait until next season. Christmas and New Year's Day are on Sundays. The playoff bowls are currently scheduled for Saturday Dec 31. NFL week 17 is Sunday Jan 1. Rose Bowl probably is, too. What is the college playoff alternative date for those who don't want it on Dec 31? Friday Dec 30? That is likely even worse, as many more people will be working. The playoff bowls would be crushed more by NFL week 17 than NYE IMO.
 
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Just wait until next season. Christmas and New Year's Day are on Sundays. The playoff bowls are currently scheduled for Saturday Dec 31. NFL week 17 is Sunday Jan 1. Rose Bowl probably is, too. What is the college playoff alternative date for those who don't want it on Dec 31? Friday Dec 30? That is likely even worse, as many more people will be working. The playoff bowls would be crushed more by NFL week 17 than NYE IMO.

Rose Bowl is Jan 2 next year.
 
Don't know what they'll end up doing, but NYE is more traditional than the Saturday after. That would have worked this year because of the calendar, but not as well in future years.

I guess the grown men in your example B can continue to cry about something they have no control over, but they should probably put on some pants and make a decision. Go out, have fun and forget about the games altogether; stay home and watch the games; have a NYE party with games on; go somewhere that gives you your best not to see the results (like ice skating) so you can see it later, but Jesus Christ stop complaining - whatever your choice, you made it to have a good time on a holiday. Life's pretty good in your little slice of the world.

It works both ways - if you missed the games because of other plans this year, you did yourself a huge favor. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose.

I'm not crying about it.
I just can't watch it.
Oh well.

I am just pointing out the calendar really kills people's ability to watch the games. It's not as easy as saying man up and stay home to watch it, or DVR it. Family comes before football.

(But if RUTGERS ever made it, I think I could adjust family plans; just not worth it for other teams)

Seems like advertisers should care more than people like me - they are the ones not maximizing their profit.
 
The two playoff games need a traditional date

The first Saturday in January works perfedt if there is no nfl playoffs

Than championship should be the Monday after the second Saturday in January
 
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It's a new article, but not a new practice to price high and owe make goods. It protects against potentially leaving money on the table if the show exceeds predictions. Take the money now to hit this quarters goal and deal with the ADUs later. Happens all the time in tv as sales.
You will get credit for hitting budget now, move to the bigger job and the next guy will deal with the mess (wont be his mess so he's also off the hook).
 
Just wait until next season. Christmas and New Year's Day are on Sundays. The playoff bowls are currently scheduled for Saturday Dec 31. NFL week 17 is Sunday Jan 1. Rose Bowl probably is, too. What is the college playoff alternative date for those who don't want it on Dec 31? Friday Dec 30? That is likely even worse, as many more people will be working. The playoff bowls would be crushed more by NFL week 17 than NYE IMO.
No plans to change schedule.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/college-football-playoff-plans-stick-years-eve-203309963--ncaaf.html
 
The two playoff games need a traditional date

The first Saturday in January works perfedt if there is no nfl playoffs

Than championship should be the Monday after the second Saturday in January
Shack - agree they need set dates. However, I'd still keep the most traditional date of all, New Year's Day, for the semis - it's been like that for millenia, lol, and people like it. I'd then always have the championship game on the next Monday (that's at least a week away, so there's always at least a week for the teams to prepare).

Fanu - your faux macho posturing in this thread is a little silly. Also, show me where I ever whined - I didn't - was merely pointing out before the games and after that NY Eve was a stupid business choice for ratings and I was right (as were many others).
 
Pretty sure you did whine, but regardless ... People self-congratulating themselves on being "right" in some old, meaningless e-argument, and mischaracterizing the opposing argument while they're at it, is what's silly. And you just did it again.

All you're doing is cheapening the real conversation, a pretty good one, for a split-second of Internet "told ya so glory". Congratulations, you (and millions of others making a rather obvious call) were right... Kinda. Would you like me to ship your cookie or just leave it at the customer service window of of your local market?

Kinda premature to say it was a bad business choice, anyway. It was the first year of doing it this way and the playoff games were pretty bad - would have fallen from last year's first playoff ever ratings either way. We'll see what happens in the future.
 
How's it premature? The ratings will literally never be as good as other days they could choose, especially when the games are being played when people are working. Next year won't be as bad because NYE is on a Saturday, but it's a terrible business model to have 2 of the biggest games of the year played when people are at work and when millions of people are in a position to not be able to watch the game. It could have been the 2 best games in history and the ratings would have sucked, sure the blowouts didn't help but that's one of the last reasons for the ratings drop
 
Pretty sure you did whine, but regardless ... People self-congratulating themselves on being "right" in some old, meaningless e-argument, and mischaracterizing the opposing argument while they're at it, is what's silly. And you just did it again.

All you're doing is cheapening the real conversation, a pretty good one, for a split-second of Internet "told ya so glory". Congratulations, you (and millions of others making a rather obvious call) were right... Kinda. Would you like me to ship your cookie or just leave it at the customer service window of of your local market?

Kinda premature to say it was a bad business choice, anyway. It was the first year of doing it this way and the playoff games were pretty bad - would have fallen from last year's first playoff ever ratings either way. We'll see what happens in the future.

I'm not quite sure why you have such a strong reaction to this. If you actually read the thread, most people were not complaining that they personally couldn't watch the game. They were commenting on whether playing the semi finals on New Year's Eve was good business sense. Clearly, since ESPN had to eat $20 million, it was not. Blowouts don't explain a 1/3 loss in viewership. If you look back at the BCS games, their ratings were fairly consistent from year to year. You might have slight variations based on the popularity of the teams involved, how close the game was, etc., but you didn't have wild fluctuations like a 1/3 dropoff. There is a clear reason why that happened. The games were played on a day when many people weren't home. If you actually read the article (which it appears you didn't, based on your earlier comments), ESPN had predicted a ratings drop on NYE, but the CFP insisted on NYE. They have somehow convinced themselves that watching the games on NYE will be some sort of "new tradition." That's simply not going to work, because there aren't enough diehard fans who will go out of their way to watch these games. Almost all of these big events are planned to correspond to times when people will be off work/at home. Trying to reinvent the wheel didn't work.
 
NYD seems the obvious best day, So obvious there must be some obvious reason they didn't do it. First game 4:30 second 8:15 just like today's NFL games. Play the rose bowl another day if its not part of it that year.
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The Rose Bose officials are single handedly the reason the games weren't on NYD. They have the rights to the 5pm EST NYD timeslot, and they refused to give it up.
 
I'm not quite sure why you have such a strong reaction to this. If you actually read the thread, most people were not complaining that they personally couldn't watch the game. They were commenting on whether playing the semi finals on New Year's Eve was good business sense. Clearly, since ESPN had to eat $20 million, it was not. Blowouts don't explain a 1/3 loss in viewership. If you look back at the BCS games, their ratings were fairly consistent from year to year. You might have slight variations based on the popularity of the teams involved, how close the game was, etc., but you didn't have wild fluctuations like a 1/3 dropoff. There is a clear reason why that happened. The games were played on a day when many people weren't home. If you actually read the article (which it appears you didn't, based on your earlier comments), ESPN had predicted a ratings drop on NYE, but the CFP insisted on NYE. They have somehow convinced themselves that watching the games on NYE will be some sort of "new tradition." That's simply not going to work, because there aren't enough diehard fans who will go out of their way to watch these games. Almost all of these big events are planned to correspond to times when people will be off work/at home. Trying to reinvent the wheel didn't work.

There were several older threads and a number of people whining.

Personally, I couldn't care less if ESPN is losing face and millions. It's kind of funny. I think it will get better in the future, when NYE is better known as the playoffs day. Probably won't get back to NYD numbers, but it looks like it's going to take more than 1 year to teach the CFP that. So Scream bad business decision all you want, it makes little difference.
 
It's not a rebate. It future ads for free. For a company that has 5 networks 24/7 it not going to hurt them. They get to keep the money
 
There were several older threads and a number of people whining.

Personally, I couldn't care less if ESPN is losing face and millions. It's kind of funny. I think it will get better in the future, when NYE is better known as the playoffs day. Probably won't get back to NYD numbers, but it looks like it's going to take more than 1 year to teach the CFP that. So Scream bad business decision all you want, it makes little difference.

So now you've shifted to older threads. I'll go ahead and say that since you misjudged what was written on here, I don't have much confidence that you accurately interpreted those other threads either.

If you don't care, then why be so adamant about it? Clearly, you do care, as evidenced by the amount of responses you typed, and the intensity of your responses. I'll tell you who does care if ESPN loses millions, and that's the schools themselves. If ESPN loses money, then that eventually means less money for them. It's TV money that's driving all these mega-millions in college sports, and if TV is losing money, kiss the big contracts goodbye.
 
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I would rather watch college football than Ryan seacrest on NYE, but that's just me. To each their own I guess.
Could not agree more. That was a no brainer for me. This is only the second College Football Playoff, though. ESPN has to come to grips with the fact that it isn't an institution yet.
 
Could not agree more. That was a no brainer for me. This is only the second College Football Playoff, though. ESPN has to come to grips with the fact that it isn't an institution yet.
Yea I questioned whether they'd continue the experiment for a little longer or would change anything. I tend to think a change is coming but it's still a little early probably for ratings/money to force any change yet. If it continues to happen for these NYE games over the years then I think something will happen and they'll figure some workaround the Rose Bowl. They're not paying that much money to lose tons of eyeballs.
 
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The New Years Six had an average margin of 27 points. ESPN gets to do one NFL playoff game and it's a 30-0 blowout. Happy New Year, Worldwide Leader.
 
So now you've shifted to older threads. I'll go ahead and say that since you misjudged what was written on here, I don't have much confidence that you accurately interpreted those other threads either.

If you don't care, then why be so adamant about it? Clearly, you do care, as evidenced by the amount of responses you typed, and the intensity of your responses. I'll tell you who does care if ESPN loses millions, and that's the schools themselves. If ESPN loses money, then that eventually means less money for them. It's TV money that's driving all these mega-millions in college sports, and if TV is losing money, kiss the big contracts goodbye.

I think you should probably just go back to your own board because you're adding nothing of value here. If you READ what RU# wrote in his first reply - ya know, the one I was responding to - you'd see he mentioned an older thread. It's an ongoing discussion.

That's what we were talking about; welcome to the conversation. Get acquainted with it for a while and feel free to comment once you know wtf it is you're commenting about.
 
Pretty sure you did whine, but regardless ... People self-congratulating themselves on being "right" in some old, meaningless e-argument, and mischaracterizing the opposing argument while they're at it, is what's silly. And you just did it again.

All you're doing is cheapening the real conversation, a pretty good one, for a split-second of Internet "told ya so glory". Congratulations, you (and millions of others making a rather obvious call) were right... Kinda. Would you like me to ship your cookie or just leave it at the customer service window of of your local market?

Kinda premature to say it was a bad business choice, anyway. It was the first year of doing it this way and the playoff games were pretty bad - would have fallen from last year's first playoff ever ratings either way. We'll see what happens in the future.

Read the thread. Not a hint of whining, so yeah, your memory sucks. Also, not sure why you seem so wound up about a self-congratulatory post - hundreds per week on this board, but for some reason mine annoyed you. Whatever. And nothing premature about calling it a bad business choice - the ratings speak for themselves, which was completely predictable - NY Eve is simply a very bad choice for these semis. Case closed.

https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/threads/cfb-playoffs-being-on-new-years-eve.60803/#post-1266870
 
Get acquainted with it for a while and feel free to comment once you know wtf it is you're commenting about.

From a guy who obviously doesn't know wtf he's talking about, given that you completely mischaracterized my posts (on the "whining" part), as I just showed, perhaps you should take your own advice...
 
The Rose Bose officials are single handedly the reason the games weren't on NYD. They have the rights to the 5pm EST NYD timeslot, and they refused to give it up.

I was about to post this as the reason the playoffs are on NYE whenever the Rose Bowl is not a playoff. But that reason is foolish. You have the first playoff game at 1:00, then the Rose, followed by the second playoff game at 8:00 / 8:30. Another option would be to have the first playoff game on NYE at 8:00 (traditional Peach Bowl slot) and the second to follow the Rose on NYD.
 
Does anyone know how the ratings were calculated? I'm wondering because there might have been an equal or greater number of people watching the games, but most of them watched from parties where there were many people watching same television.
 
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