Expansion 5 years later
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I have been a Rutgers sports fan since 1976 and there is still a part of me that thinks I will pick up the paper one morning with headlines that say "Fred Gruninger brought back as AD" and "Gruninger tells Big Ten Rutgers is leaving". LOL
"Today, 43 FBS schools -- 33.6 percent of the current membership -- compete in a different conference than they did five years ago"
That's pretty amazing when you think about it.
That's pretty amazing when you think about it.
I love this subject.
There are 2 Wild Cards in the deck
1. Grant of Rights or not, the Delany/B1G wants UVA and UNC (IMO). The paper classes will be brushed under the rug.
2. B12 - They won't stay at 10. Long Term WVU will hurt in the long run if they do.
How do I see it playing out - The ACC gets robbed, falls apart and the B12/SEC/B1G pick them apart.
There is one more reshuffling of the desk before I die.
There are 2 Wild Cards in the deck
1. Grant of Rights or not, the Delany/B1G wants UVA and UNC (IMO). The paper classes will be brushed under the rug.
2. B12 - They won't stay at 10. Long Term WVU will hurt in the long run if they do.
How do I see it playing out - The ACC gets robbed, falls apart and the B12/SEC/B1G pick them apart.
There is one more reshuffling of the desk before I die.
Thanks for sharing Rutger80. The article is a nice assessment of winners (Rutgers) and losers (UConn). No mention of Notre Dame...I think they are worse off than before with partial ACC membership. What do you guys think?
PS I had the red ESB first!
PS I had the red ESB first!
That may be the case (about the ESB) although I had it up for a long time on the old site.
Notre Dame is always a loser in my book!
Hmm, if you had it on the old site then YOU were first... My Aim is True.
I don't think they are worse off. They have a viable home for basketball and non-revenue sports and get to maintain independence in football. They are certainly better off than they would have been had they remained in the American or New Big East. And they aren't worse off in the ACC than they were in the old BE.
Certainly they didn't end up as a big winner like Rutgers. But no school gained as much from conference realignment as Rutgers.
ND is not a loser. They could join the ACC or Big Ten anytime they want to. The ACC is definitely a better conference to be associated with than the Big East and they still have their football independence.
I would love for ND to go to the ACC as a full member and PSU to go with them but it's doubtful that will happen.
Two points:
1) Rutgers was the clear winner. We went from sitting in a conference with Syracuse and Temple, to being part of the greatest conference of them all. It is really amazing how the strategy of raising the football profile, along with our location, along with RU's academics allowed us to be chosen for such distinction. I will smile about this forever.
2) Conference realignment isn't done. Said it before and I will say it again. Schools have been switching conferences since conferences were formed. The next round is only a matter of time. The best part is, we are already sitting in a chair and the music is still playing.
1) Rutgers was the clear winner. We went from sitting in a conference with Syracuse and Temple, to being part of the greatest conference of them all. It is really amazing how the strategy of raising the football profile, along with our location, along with RU's academics allowed us to be chosen for such distinction. I will smile about this forever.
2) Conference realignment isn't done. Said it before and I will say it again. Schools have been switching conferences since conferences were formed. The next round is only a matter of time. The best part is, we are already sitting in a chair and the music is still playing.
^^ Agreed. Regardless how I feel about Penn St or their fans, it's still a fantastic rivalry... infact, the animosity is why the rivalry will become so good.
SM says the movement of Colorado and Nebraska was the start of realignment in this article. Colorado's move was made after rumblings of the Texas schools moving to the Pac-10, and Nebraska's was as well. In fact, it was the B1G's announcement that they were entering an "active phase" of expansion talks that started this off. Of course there was much speculation and leaked data at the time that Rutgers was their target, although many thought that idea was absurd at the time :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:.
You could also go back to Arkansas' or USCe's moves to the SEC.
You could also go back to Arkansas' or USCe's moves to the SEC.
Saying WVU lost its a huge stretch. They went from a dying Big East to a P5 school and making a ton more money in the process. That's a win even if the B12 gets picked apart in the near future. Even Boise didn't lose, they upgraded their conference.
UConn, Cincy, BYU, and the old guard from CUSA and the WAC that are stuck in CUSA, MAC, and the Sunbelt with a bunch of FCS call ups or lost conferences altogether (So. Miss, UAB, Rice, La. Tech, Marshall, NIU, Idaho, NM State) are the biggest losers.
UConn, Cincy, BYU, and the old guard from CUSA and the WAC that are stuck in CUSA, MAC, and the Sunbelt with a bunch of FCS call ups or lost conferences altogether (So. Miss, UAB, Rice, La. Tech, Marshall, NIU, Idaho, NM State) are the biggest losers.
Never thought I would say this, but I actually feel bad for UConn. Maybe because I realize that if the timing of the expansion had been different, we could now be them.
PSU to Big Ten announcement is when the ball started rolling. 1989. Super-conference talk started up shortly after the PSU news. Super Metro Conference. Georgia Tech to the ACC in 1979 did not have the same effect.
Fred G. lives in a neighboring town, Southern Pines. Was grabbing a coffee at a local minimart and noticed the guy a head of me in line had an RU sweatshirt and cap. I introduced myself. He chuckled and said naw, he didn't go to Rutgers. He does yardwork gor the former AD there. And he gives him all sorts of gear.
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Wvu is a huge loser...in more ways than realignment...first a sucky school in a backwards state, and second while revenue has increased, expenses have sky-rocketed which affects the bottom line...but hey...at least the couch burners have a shot at the playoff...
I made a post a while back saying Tim P should've tried for a sweeter deal from the BIG (ie more upfront cash like UMD).
I take it back. Looking at BYU specifically the downside was just too big.
The phrase "take the money and run" comes to mind...
Former golfer. Went from teeing it up a few times a week to a cold stop. Haven't picked up a club in a decade. Thinking about revisiting it this fall.
I agree that WVU is a huge loser here. They are not at all relevant in NorthEast recruiting anymore. I see them as a misfit in their conference. I wonder how their fan base likes being in the B12? That's got to take some getting used to. I'm glad that they are off our radar.
It would be torture for me to Live in Pinehurst and not golf. I don't play as much anymore myself. But I have to say I have really enjoyed visiting Pinehurst the times I have been there. My friends all know that my favorite course in Pinehurst is not No.2 which I have played a few times, but Pine Needles. I love that place.
I would feel bad for UConn if not for my disdain for their fan-base. So, I pay little attention to their plight, other than reading about their results online. As much of a college football junkie that I am, I wouldn't watch any of their games. I did chuckle reading about their loss to powerhouse SMU last year, the team that couldn't figure out how to run the victory formation. It's behind us.
The whole article is worth reading, but here's the money shot. Read it and smile:
The biggest winners
1) Rutgers. If realignment were a lottery, Rutgers won the Powerball Grand Prize. A long-suffering, financially strapped, crisis-plagued athletic department not only escaped the former Big East's destruction but punched a ticket to the esteemed Big Ten, whose cable network and upcoming Tier 1 negotiations will shower the New Jersey school with new revenue. Its national profile is already growing, and the Scarlet Knights even defied the doomsayers and won eight games in their first season.
The biggest winners
1) Rutgers. If realignment were a lottery, Rutgers won the Powerball Grand Prize. A long-suffering, financially strapped, crisis-plagued athletic department not only escaped the former Big East's destruction but punched a ticket to the esteemed Big Ten, whose cable network and upcoming Tier 1 negotiations will shower the New Jersey school with new revenue. Its national profile is already growing, and the Scarlet Knights even defied the doomsayers and won eight games in their first season.
Pine Needles is a sweet course, no doubt. But it's in Southern Pines, not Pinehurst. Locals are (overly and tediously) sensitive to this and are quick to point this out. The only courses in the Village of Pinehurst are those now nine courses of the Pinehurst Resort. National Golf Club was recently acquired by the resort and is now "Pinehurst No. 9." To your point, the Bell family has done a terrific job with Pine Needles, with a very strong emphasis on women's play and their "Golfari" program.
While I agree that Rutgers was the big winner I think WVU was a winner too. It's all about how you look at it. If you're comparing us to other teams that moved I would agree that Rutgers was a bigger winner. But to put us in the same grouping with Cincy and Uconn as losers isn't really fair either.
I was going to paste this in when I saw the thread, so now I'll just quote it, because it just looks so nice. Just sit back, relax and let it wash over you one more time. Ahhhhhh...
Actually no. A couple of things started expansion.
1) The passage of the 12-team CCG rule. That's the reason the SEC added Arkansas & South Carolina. They wanted to get to 12 teams to have a CCG.
2) The dissolution of the College Football Association in 1997, which led to all the conferences signing individual TV contracts. That's when markets started to become so important.
Penn St to the Big Ten didn't really have much of an effect. That was just a product off all the independent teams joining conferences because independents couldn't afford it any more.
Didn't know Pinehurst and Southern Pines had a rivalry going. Nobody ever said anything about that to us. But wherever it is, I still love Pine Needles. I have stayed at the resort, have no major issues with Pinehurst resort, but in general, I don't like companies that have monopolies, and they have one in Pinehurst. Competition is always good for the consumer. Monopolies and less competition, not so much.
I will keep it in mind when I refer to Pinehurst to not include Southern Pines!!!!!!!!!!! :boxing:
They were a major loser but got in a position to still collect checks.
They are not close to a conference partner which put a major strain on their athletes and finances
The lost presence in the North East, IMO, hurts them as well. Because they are not playing anyone in NC, SC or Georgia, its not as though they have a presence in the South either.
They are in no man's land on the east coast. They need the ACC to implode so the B1G and the B12 picks them apart.
Trust me the ACC will implode. The moment they "forced" the 11th hour $45mm GOR, it told the world "Many of our members want to leave."
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