Fire Schiano!!!

[DennisHajekRC84]

Dick move

are you surprised?

For the record. Very happy with the last two games. Opening up the offense has really been the difference (IMHO). AK has gotten in a groove and Strong has been just that. Who's responsible for that I don't know but since I blame GS when they suck I give him credit for this too.

Right now they have a chance to resurrect the season in a big way and even get to 9-5. That would be impressive. Even 8-4 would be from where we were.

Tied for most B1G wins in a season at 3 with chance to break it with 4 or 5. That would also be significant.
GS and team just won two toss-up B1G league games. kudos to him/them!

 

[NickRU714]

Don't think anybody said what you said they said. Nobody said "average." You said that.

The reality (not irony) is that Rutgers is not and will never be an Ohio State or maybe Oregon or perhaps even a Penn State. Certain on Ohio State, and perhaps Oregon and Penn State have some wiggle room. But Rutgers can be a Wisconsin, an Iowa, a Michigan State or even a Nebraska. You will note that Michigan is left out of this list. Consider Michigan's last 20 years. It took Jim Harbaugh 5 years to get Michigan to the CFP.

The other reality is Rutgers does not have the resources that teams like Oregon, Penn State and Ohio State have. Years of winning. Storied programs. Deep pocket donors like Phil Knight. 100,000 plus (check Oregon) stadium. Rutgers may never have these resources.

The other reality is New Jersey does not have rabid college football fans that root for their home team like Ohio State, Michigan, Oregon and Penn State have. New Jersey is a state full of transients, transplants and some people who were born and raised here and bleed scarlet. Those other states identify with their state university. And they also don't have a major state newspaper looking to tear down their State U as every turn.

Rutgers is what it is. For most of its history, the butt of college football jokes, an under resourced program that caught lightning in a bottle with Schiano 1.0, only to find itself homeless after the Big East dissolved, and relegated to being nearly homeless like UConn and floating on a crap island called to AAC, only to get a huge lifeline and life raft from the B1G. Who do Rutgers fans owe that to? Two people, and one of them is derided and ridiculed each time the team slips up and goes on a losing streak.

Sure, Rutgers could fire Schiano and take their chances on a flash in the pan hire and maybe get a Curt Cignetti. Maybe, however, they will get a Lance Leipold (not bad, but so far not too great -let's not get too giddy about last night), or worse yet, Rutgers could get a Mel Tucker. Or a Chris Ash or a Kyle Flood. We saw what they did.

The University and the program has a lot to overcome to get to the peak of college football. Years of losing, a fickle State population mostly disinterested in college football, lack of big pocket donors, being part of the one of the two top conferences. Greg Schiano is like Sisyphus. There is a lot working against him. Greg himself said he came here to win championships. If it took Jim Harbaugh 5 years to get Michigan to the CFP, why should Rutgers fans expect it to happen sooner under any coach they hire, and to have SUSTAINED (not one year wonder) success?

Rk	Year	Conf	W	L	T	Pct	W	L	T	Pct	SRS	SOS	AP Pre	AP High	AP Post	CFP High	CFP Final	Coach(es)	Bowl	Notes
1	2024	Big Ten	5	5	0	.500	3	4	0	.429	6.03	8.03	9	9				Sherrone Moore (5-5)
2	2023	Big Ten	15	0	0	1.000	9	0	0	1.000	25.01	5.61	2	1	1	1	1	Jim Harbaugh (15-0)	Rose Bowl (W), College Football Playoff National Championship (W)	National Championships: AP, CFP
3	2022	Big Ten	13	1	0	.929	9	0	0	1.000	20.59	2.73	8	2	3	2	2	Jim Harbaugh (13-1)	Fiesta Bowl (L)
4	2021	Big Ten	12	2	0	.857	8	1	0	.889	19.80	6.23		2	3	2	2	Jim Harbaugh (12-2)	Orange Bowl (L)
5	2020	Big Ten	2	4	0	.333	2	4	0	.333	-1.25	3.25	16	13				Jim Harbaugh (2-4)
6	2019	Big Ten	9	4	0	.692	6	3	0	.667	15.50	7.88	7	7	18	13	14	Jim Harbaugh (9-4)	Citrus Bowl (L)
7	2018	Big Ten	10	3	0	.769	8	1	0	.889	16.47	5.47	14	4	14	4	7	Jim Harbaugh (10-3)	Peach Bowl (L)
8	2017	Big Ten	8	5	0	.615	5	4	0	.556	13.44	6.98	11	7		24		Jim Harbaugh (8-5)	Outback Bowl (L)
9	2016	Big Ten	10	3	0	.769	7	2	0	.778	17.56	4.79	7	2	10	3	6	Jim Harbaugh (10-3)	Orange Bowl (L)
10	2015	Big Ten	10	3	0	.769	6	2	0	.750	16.34	4.57		12	12	10	14	Jim Harbaugh (10-3)	Citrus Bowl (W)
11	2014	Big Ten	5	7	0	.417	3	5	0	.375	1.82	3.65						Brady Hoke (5-7)
12	2013	Big Ten	7	6	0	.538	3	5	0	.375	5.53	3.30	17	11				Brady Hoke (7-6)	Buffalo Wild Wings Bowl (L)
13	2012	Big Ten	8	5	0	.615	6	2	0	.750	10.01	3.85	8	8	24			Brady Hoke (8-5)	Outback Bowl (L)
14	2011	Big Ten	11	2	0	.846	6	2	0	.750	16.27	2.96		11	12			Brady Hoke (11-2)	Sugar Bowl (W)
15	2010	Big Ten	7	6	0	.538	3	5	0	.375	1.41	3.10		18				Rich Rodriguez (7-6)	Gator Bowl (L)
16	2009	Big Ten	5	7	0	.417	1	7	0	.125	-1.51	-0.26		22				Rich Rodriguez (5-7)
17	2008	Big Ten	3	9	0	.250	2	6	0	.250	-4.66	3.00						Rich Rodriguez (3-9)
18	2007	Big Ten	9	4	0	.692	6	2	0	.750	7.91	2.68	5	5	18			Lloyd Carr (9-4)	Capital One Bowl (W)
19	2006	Big Ten	11	2	0	.846	7	1	0	.875	16.66	4.35	14	2	8			Lloyd Carr (11-2)	Rose Bowl (L)
20	2005	Big Ten	7	5	0	.583	5	3	0	.625	14.86	9.36	4	3				Lloyd Carr (7-5)	A

You are kind of proving my point.
The general argument is "well just settle and don't have higher expectations. It's not happening."

You even see people mock other fanbases "their fans are dumb for expecting more".
An easy argument could be made that those not wanting to "settle" are bigger fans than those that say "it is what it is. Just accept it".
They don't just expect the next hire to be terrible "just because". They trust Rutgers (perhaps wrongly) to make a good hire.

Flags fly forever.
I'm sure many would take a "flash in the pan" College Football Playoff appearance like Indiana this year just once even if it meant struggling to get bowl eligible most other seasons.

We got that anyway without the 10-0 flash in the pan season anyway it seems.

 

[miket007]

Amazing coaching job and being honest i didn't think he had it in him to open up the offense and let the coaches really coach....

 

[Knight Shift]

You are kind of proving my point.
The general argument is "well just settle and don't have higher expectations. It's not happening."

You even see people mock other fanbases "their fans are dumb for expecting more".
An easy argument could be made that those not wanting to "settle" are bigger fans than those that say "it is what it is. Just accept it".
They don't just expect the next hire to be terrible "just because". They trust Rutgers (perhaps wrongly) to make a good hire.

Flags fly forever.
I'm sure many would take a "flash in the pan" College Football Playoff appearance like Indiana this year just once even if it meant struggling to get bowl eligible most other seasons.

We got that anyway without the 10-0 flash in the pan season anyway it seems.

I'm not proving your point, and I don't think we will agree (we can't even agree on the greatness of McNulty), and that's OK, that's what these boards are for. You have a lot of good points, and I respect your opinion (except on McNulty).

The main point is that finding the "perfect" hire at the "perfect" time is a total crapshoot. I gave Michigan as a good example of how long it took them. Harbaugh and cheater gone, and look where they are now. And I am talking about SUSTAINED success, like Harbaugh had, Ohio State has, and even Penn State, despite, not being able to get to the TOP of the mountain (they are so close).

And sure, a flash in the pan season is nice, but I would rather have sustained 8-9-10 win seasons mixed in with some mediocre and bad ones once in a while instead of chasing a flash.

Here's an idea. Brian Kelly is a proven winner. How about him?

 

[NickRU714]

I'm not proving your point, and I don't think we will agree (we can't even agree on the greatness of McNulty), and that's OK, that's what these boards are for. You have a lot of good points, and I respect your opinion (except on McNulty).

The main point is that finding the "perfect" hire at the "perfect" time is a total crapshoot. I gave Michigan as a good example of how long it took them. Harbaugh and cheater gone, and look where they are now. And I am talking about SUSTAINED success, like Harbaugh had, Ohio State has, and even Penn State, despite, not being able to get to the TOP of the mountain (they are so close).

And sure, a flash in the pan season is nice, but I would rather have sustained 8-9-10 win seasons mixed in with some mediocre and bad ones once in a while instead of chasing a flash.

Here's an idea. Brian Kelly is a proven winner. How about him?

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But is "sustained" success of 8+ wins viable at Rutgers?
For all the reasons you listed previously, that doesn't seem likely.
How can 8-9-10 wins happen more often than not when OSU, PSU, Oregon etc are on the schedule and we're not at their level?

Doubt anyone is complaining if we are routinely getting 8+ wins (without or without HC Schiano).
But then many say "stop expecting that. We don't have the resources to expect success like that".

 

[NickRU714]

Yes, finding the perfect hire is crapshoot.
But that doesn't mean you don't try.
You don't just avoid change out of fear.
Know what happens if you get a terrible coach? You change again.
Flood was terrible.
Would people have wanted to keep Flood if they knew Ash was coming? Just never make a change (and never make a 2nd change to get HC Schiano)?

Imagine the other way - "ya sure Cignetti maybe could have got to us the CFP in year 1 or 2. But we couldn't risk hiring him because of how bad HC Ash was?"

 

[Section124]

You are dense and just have a negative viewpoint. Nothing is good enough for you because you will always see a shinier toy somewhere else.

I don't give a shit about Prime or a flash in the pan somewhere else. How many fans were wetting their pants over Leipold?. He came crashing back to earth in the shitty Big 12 .

Watch out. Kansas has won 3 of the last 4 (and beat ranked teams in Iowa St and BYU in consecutive weeks). Not sure if Greg has ever done that. 😀

 

[RUTGERS95]

are you surprised?

For the record. Very happy with the last two games. Opening up the offense has really been the difference (IMHO). AK has gotten in a groove and Strong has been just that. Who's responsible for that I don't know but since I blame GS when they suck I give him credit for this too.

Right now they have a chance to resurrect the season in a big way and even get to 9-5. That would be impressive. Even 8-4 would be from where we were.

Tied for most B1G wins in a season at 3 with chance to break it with 4 or 5. That would also be significant.
GS and team just won two toss-up B1G league games. kudos to him/them!

well said

changes that many have been demanding are evident past two games

Still believe Greg now holds us back but he and the coaches earned their pay last night. That was a very good game by Greg and the coaches. Greg looks to have widened his risk tolerance level which is needed

 

[RUTGERS95]

Watch out. Kansas has won 3 of the last 4 (and beat ranked teams in Iowa St and BYU in consecutive weeks). Not sure if Greg has ever done that. 😀

Kansas is looking good right now
felt BYU was overrated however, don't really see a dominant team and the B12 is average with flashes of greatness

 

[krup]

Your comps are a rushed OL coach and a lifetime defensive coach who never had any experience within 50 yards of managing an offense.

The "only Schiano" argument is incredibly thin.

Is Schiano better than Flood and Ash? Sure. But that doesn't mean he's the only coach who could have ever turned Rutgers around.

It's literally impossible to know that one way or another.

I prefer to live in the real world, not the hypothetical one, and being a Rutgers fan since the 80’s reality has shown me that Schiano IS the only coach who has accomplished what he has done here.

 

[superfan01]

I mean…another embarrassing effort.

How much longer can we accept this??

Might be time for you to leave this board.

 

[jaydogsmooth1]

But is "sustained" success of 8+ wins viable at Rutgers?
For all the reasons you listed previously, that doesn't seem likely.
How can 8-9-10 wins happen more often than not when OSU, PSU, Oregon etc are on the schedule and we're not at their level?

Doubt anyone is complaining if we are routinely getting 8+ wins (without or without HC Schiano).
But then many say "stop expecting that. We don't have the resources to expect success like that".

Absolutely
Why wouldn't it be?

Just bc it's never been done before, on a regular basis, doesn't mean it can't be done
I'd argue (and Greg would agree with me - as he's said it so himself) that we can, and should be (he said can, should and will be) a per9nial championship level team

Pre-NIL, I didn't think it was possible
Now with NIL, there's a chance for it to happen

 

[Knight Shift]

Watch out. Kansas has won 3 of the last 4 (and beat ranked teams in Iowa St and BYU in consecutive weeks). Not sure if Greg has ever done that. 😀

 

[RU#1fan]

Kansas is looking good right now
felt BYU was overrated however, don't really see a dominant team and the B12 is average with flashes of greatness

This
BYU is way overrated. Utah beat them and got robbed.
They ain’t making the Playoffs.

 

[TRU2RU]

Might be time for you to leave this board.

He really sounds like he is a visitor from the Sadexcuse board looking to start trouble.

 

[mikemarc1]

Might be time for you to leave this board.

Why? Cause I have an unfavorable opinion?

My love for RU will never diminish..

 

[mikemarc1]

He really sounds like he is a visitor from the Sadexcuse board looking to start trouble.

Certainly not, lol. Once again, this thread was bumped for whatever reason. As I’ve said since last night, I’m very happy with the last two weeks. Absolutely not looking for trouble

 

[MADHAT1]

Certainly not, lol. Once again, this thread was bumped for whatever reason. As I’ve said since last night, I’m very happy with the last two weeks. Absolutely not looking for trouble

I don't care what you say!
it doesn't matter anyway!
Whatever it is?
I'm against it 😇

You might be a RU Fan, but might be one that expects too much from a program that seems to give just enough to expect greatness but does it without giving the type of support elite programs receive.
One can point out on hit wonders, but must realize one hit doesn't make them R&R HOF inductees

edit: you and others seem unhappy Greg is the HC and I admit there are better ones out tee.
Bit I feel they refuse to look Rutgers way , except to use Rutgers interest for their own benefit while making sure the Rutgers Administration knows they would have to give a lot more than RU is willing to give .
If I'm wrong, let me know why since the 1980s the beast on the market were never hired and Greg needed the fan-base's support because Hobbs didn't want to hire him with the demands Schiano handed him when they first talked about the RU HC position.
Don't you think top candidates tell Rutgers what they need to succeed and then cross RU off their list after seeing Rutgers reaction

Schiano is about the best Rutgers will get unless Rutgers decides to do everything it takes to become an elite program and has heavy hitters backing that effort
Until then, minor bowls , worrying about just being bowl eligible and complaining the HC hasn't produced the type of program we expect Rutgers to be

 

[mikemarc1]

I don't care what you say!
it doesn't matter anyway!
Whatever it is?
I'm against it 😇

You might be a RU Fan, but might be one that expects too much from a program that seems to give just enough to expect greatness but does it without giving the type of support elite programs receive.
One can point out on hit wonders, but must realize one hit doesn't make them R&R HOF inductees

edit: you and others seem unhappy Greg is the HC and I admit there are better ones out tee.
Bit I feel they refuse to look Rutgers way , except to use Rutgers interest for their own benefit while making sure the Rutgers Administration knows they would have to give a lot more than RU is willing to give .
If I'm wrong, let me know why since the 1980s the beast on the market were never hired and Greg needed the fan-base's support because Hobbs didn't want to hire him with the demands Schiano handed him when they first talked about the RU HC position.
Don't you think top candidates tell Rutgers what they need to succeed and then cross RU off their list after seeing Rutgers reaction

Schiano is about the best Rutgers will get unless Rutgers decides to do everything it takes to become an elite program and has heavy hitters backing that effort
Until then, minor bowls , worrying about just being bowl eligible and complaining the HC hasn't produced the type of program we expect Rutgers to be

I don’t think I “expect” too much. Maybe I’d prefer more..sure.

Im waiting on 2 things..Rutgers being ranked and Rutgers beating a ranked team. I don’t think that’s too much to expect in year 5 when some similar programs are doing this week in and week out.

That’s what I’d like to see. And have yet to see it,

Again, beating the Minnesota’s and Maryland’s are great, and nothing to complain about after the last two weeks

 

[WhiteBus]

I don’t think I “expect” too much. Maybe I’d prefer more..sure.

Im waiting on 2 things..Rutgers being ranked and Rutgers beating a ranked team. I don’t think that’s too much to expect in year 5 when some similar programs are doing this week in and week out.

That’s what I’d like to see. And have yet to see it,

Again, beating the Minnesota’s and Maryland’s are great, and nothing to complain about after the last two weeks

Nothing to complain about? You start with a complaint then give a half hearted "nothing to complain about" crap!

 

[mikemarc1]

Nothing to complain about? You start with a complaint then give a half hearted "nothing to complain about" crap!

Absolutely no complaints from me following these last two games.

 

[fsg2]

Why? Cause I have an unfavorable opinion?

My love for RU will never diminish..

Because you start stupid, knee-jerk threads, then have to walk them back. You did the same last year. Slow learner.

The fire Greg thing never warranted a thread. Keep the reactionary histrionics buried in the gameday threads.

To be clear, I don't think you should leave the board. But you should stop posting overdramatic troll threads.

 

[WhiteBus]

Absolutely no complaints from me following these last two games.

You complained in your previous post that we should be ranked and Maryland and Minnesota aren't ranked. You made sure you got your digs in against Schiano before!!

 

[robjknight]

Oh please. You guys change which coach we’d be so much better off with depending on which guy is having a good season. It’s ridiculous. L The program has been steadily improving each year. To deny that would just be ridiculous. Just the idea that we bounced back the way we did despite the injuries has to be attributable to the coaches. They deserve a lot of credit. Is it possible that we could’ve hired someone else and they would’ve turned out to be a home run? I mean sure - maybe 1 out 7 or 8 coaches at best fall into that category when hired for a complete rebuild. The odds that whoever was hired would’ve come in and done better than Greg at Rutgers is extremely low. Your pointing to the handful of teams having good 2024 seasons. I promise you there are 10 times more teams who hired someone who isn’t working out.

How many people wanted us to hire Rhule.
Don’t think Nebraska is that happy with him.

 

[mikemarc1]

Because you start stupid, knee-jerk threads, then have to walk them back. You did the same last year. Slow learner.

The fire Greg thing never warranted a thread. Keep the reactionary histrionics buried in the gameday threads.

To be clear, I don't think you should leave the board. But you should stop posting overdramatic troll threads.

I’m not walking anything I said back. I’m posting threads with my opinions. Two wins against Minnesota and Maryland arent changing my position.

we wouldn’t be discussing this if the thread wasn’t revived for whatever reason..s

 

[mikemarc1]

You complained in your previous post that we should be ranked and Maryland and Minnesota aren't ranked. You made sure you got your digs in against Schiano before!!

This is a complaint I’ve had for years..not a complaint I have after the last two games. I guess I should change it to “no complaints ABOUT the last two weeks”

 

[WhiteBus]

This is a complaint I’ve had for years..not a complaint I have after the last two games. I guess I should change it to “no complaints ABOUT the last two weeks”

But you couldn't help yourself to make sure you got a dig against Schiano first. EVERYONE knows you absolutely hate Schiano so you don't have to bring it up every damn time you post.
You and Shelby are the most miserable, anti-Rutgers football fans on here.

 

[mikemarc1]

But you couldn't help yourself to make sure you got a dig against Schiano first. EVERYONE knows you absolutely hate Schiano so you don't have to bring it up every damn time you post.
You and Shelby are the most miserable, anti-Rutgers football fans on here.

I wouldn’t have brought up my dislike for him as a coach up if I didn’t have to..but when a thread is revived about my dislike for him..Im going to respond.

I wrote a nice post following last weeks games. Complementing the team and the staff..without mentioning my dislike. No need to at the time.

Would have done similar this week.

 

[ru66]

I don’t understand how you can supposedly be a Rutgers fan and not understand that “Schiano is different” even if his ceiling is average Big Ten team (not that I believe that), given that no other coach at Rutgers has built an average Big East team let alone an average Big Ten one.

We can argue about his faults, but there is no argument that he absolutely IS a difference maker for Rutgers until someone else comes along and has any success.

You hit the nail right on its head. And Schiano has beaten top ten teams in the past-- so that statement was incorrect by a naysayer.

 

[angmo]

Surprised FSU isn't #1

LSU has to be ripshit after overpaying Kelly to leave ND and acquire a bayou accent.

 

[TRU2RU]

Certainly not, lol. Once again, this thread was bumped for whatever reason. As I’ve said since last night, I’m very happy with the last two weeks. Absolutely not looking for trouble

You are the troll that started this dumb thread so don’t complain that someone bumped the thread it was a moronic thread to start with & it has proven to be even dumber now

 

[mikemarc1]

You are the troll that started this dumb thread so don’t complain that someone bumped the thread it was a moronic thread to start with & it has proven to be even dumber now

as i said, glad it’s been proven wrong the last few weeks!!

 

[WhiteBus]

as i said, glad it’s been proven wrong the last few weeks!!

Dude just stop. You wanted Rutgers to miss playing in a bowl game so you could start a million other Fire Schiano threads during the off season. Nobody, I mean nobody believes your "happiness" about anything that Schiano has done right.

 

[fsg2]

Dude just stop. You wanted Rutgers to miss playing in a bowl game so you could start a million other Fire Schiano threads during the off season. Nobody, I mean nobody believes your "happiness" about anything that Schiano has done right.

💯 He so did!

 

[mikemarc1]

Dude just stop. You wanted Rutgers to miss playing in a bowl game so you could start a million other Fire Schiano threads during the off season. Nobody, I mean nobody believes your "happiness" about anything that Schiano has done right.

Again, it’s fine. Believe what you want.all good. Ridiculous to lie on a message board.

Glad RU is bowl bound and hope we can close out the season high. A ranked win next week…will be great!

Go RU

 

[WhiteBus]

Again, it’s fine. Believe what you want.all good. Ridiculous to lie on a message board.

Glad RU is bowl bound and hope we can close out the season high. A ranked win next week…will be great!

Go RU

Than stop posting how happy you are. We all know it's a lie.

 

[mikemarc1]

Than stop posting how happy you are. We all know it's a lie.

👍🏻. This conversation isn’t going anywhere so agree. Let’s end it?