I hate to say I told you do but after Corey said see ya and Pike missed on his top targets two years running you could see this coming a mile away. 2020 class is still the key. It’s not gonna be fun to watch but there’s still hope for now.
Both have their programs regressing despite the hype we hear. And pretty soon both will have to be replaced.Not to bring football in here, but just curious.
Why does Pike have until 2020 before we judge wins and losses, but Ash is pretty much a dead man walking by our fan base after 3 seasons?
Why is Pike getting a longer leash? Is it because he actually has a few big wins? Basketball should be much easier to rebuild than a football program, and it seems both are stagnant right now.
Just curious the difference in perception between the 2 coaches. Both aren’t killing it right now.
Because he's a proven HC that won at a school that had no history of being decent. Not only did he turn that program around, but they won their conference several times and he took them to the NCAA's. That's something Rutgers hasn't experienced since 1991. On the other hand, Ash had NO HC experience and has proven he is probably more adept at being a DC than a HC.I guess my point isn’t about the criticism of Ash. Fine, he may deserve it.
But what was Pike done to be embraced by the fan base so much? 3 years into his tenure and he, like Ash, is still getting embarrassed by Big Ten teams.
Kiss was a player a lot of schools wanted and you have no idea you would have Mathis, McConnell or Mulcahy...none were committed at the time Kiss was landed.
in a perfect world, Kiss given a greater opportunity would have stepped up in these two road games...alas.....however I see Northwestern as another opportunity to prove he can contribute and help us win games. He will get called on through the year, he must answer that call.
At times, Pikiell's teams have competed with ranked competition. They've won a couple of games and had another half dozen close ones where they played well and were in it to the end. Ash's squads, on the other hand, have never shown a pulse against ranked teams. The best performance that Ash has managed was a 20-7 loss to Penn State.Not to bring football in here, but just curious.
Why does Pike have until 2020 before we judge wins and losses, but Ash is pretty much a dead man walking by our fan base after 3 seasons?
Why is Pike getting a longer leash? Is it because he actually has a few big wins? Basketball should be much easier to rebuild than a football program, and it seems both are stagnant right now.
Just curious the difference in perception between the 2 coaches. Both aren’t killing it right now.
Agree with most of this but saying EO is not athletic is insaneToo much bad information to clean up, but again we revise history.
Kiss was a player a lot of schools wanted and you have no idea you would have Mathis, McConnell or Mulcahy...none were committed at the time Kiss was landed.
Young, like it or not is a Top 125 player. He's better than Nigel Johnson.
You don't hit on every single recruit.....
McClung is a solid player, but does not change RUs record this year or next and is NOT a PG....he's playing off the ball....he is athletic and fast but last month bac said Strickland was a miss.....this month its McClung....neither is anywhere near the talent level of the bulk of the B1G....
The talent level is a factor....the athleticism or lack thereof is a factor.....we dont have elite speed or athleticism.
Souf Mensah has nothing to do with anything and was replaced by McConnell.....
I would agree with the overview but Eugene isn't athletic either, so I'm not quite sure what is being driven at. He's a very good development man by the staff, which it what it takes. But the player has to have a body or size to work with.
Doorson, Thiam are players that are asked to play through a rebuild but unless you're buying players left and right, it will take time.
The roster turnover is ugly and violent when you watch it happen. It's fine where we are, but i don't see how fans arrive at playing in the #1 league and asking for road wins or to be competitive every night.
If you didn't have a road win at Miami or defeating Ohio State as signs of progress, then all of the complaints would hold more weight. But fans act as if RU is the only team struggling with a rebuild....PSU Illinois and Northwestern all have pieces or players too.
The only way you accelerate this is getting more athletes to compete....fans asking for shooting are fine, but if you can't run, jump and defend or are step slower at every position, shooting threats mean very little, if they can't generate their own offense.
It takes 4 full classes to close the gaps and exit the Jordan era, which was Corey Sanders and not much else recruited over 4 years.
Step off the ledge folks....there's no "get 2 recruits and you're rebuilt", in basketball.....it's never happened anywhere on the planet and it's the biggest myth with no evidence behind it.
To compete in this league, you need 8 to 9 legit players spread out over 3 to 4 classes to balance things out. I think if we can upgrade this spring with another athlete who can defend and get another frontcourt player for down the road, RU will be better next year.
The building blocks are in place, just need more this spring assuming a transfer out happens.
That's actually a myth. Name the quick turnarounds in basketball? UCF went from like 1-11 to 11-1 in football. Syracuse just had a quick turn in football. Name one in basketball? Pike gets a pass because we have literally the worst facilities in the nation and by a long shot. We have zero history and no administrative support. Ash has at worst middle of the road facilities and recent success to point to. Once Pike has the practice facility recruiting needs to pick up. And to be fair to Pike his recruiting has gotten better each season despite the misses. Where Ash's recruiting has just been beyond awful. Pike needs to land someone solid with that last 2019 ship and he needs a top 35 class in 2020 at worst or I will start to lose faith in him as well.Should be a much easier rebuild. 2 big recruits are difference makers. That’s all it takes in hoops.
That's actually a myth. Name the quick turnarounds in basketball? UCF went from like 1-11 to 11-1 in football. Syracuse just had a quick turn in football. Name one in basketball? Pike gets a pass because we have literally the worst facilities in the nation and by a long shot. We have zero history and no administrative support. Ash has at worst middle of the road facilities and recent success to point to. Once Pike has the practice facility recruiting needs to pick up. And to be fair to Pike his recruiting has gotten better each season despite the misses. Where Ash's recruiting has just been beyond awful. Pike needs to land someone solid with that last 2019 ship and he needs a top 35 class in 2020 at worst or I will start to lose faith in him as well.
if you don't think corey was a legit PG, you're kidding yourself. Corey is what kept us respectable and from complete embarrassment like we saw last night. This worse version of purdue boat raced us by 40. Corey took us wire to wire with them twice last year, did they smoke us once at their place too? yup. But 2 of three times we gave them as much as they could handle.Comparing 1st 3 years of each program under the current coaches, I find it interesting (and depressing) that neither has had a legit PG or QB.
You have to think that had a lot to do with the struggles to date.
If/when we get that fixed, MAYBE we can start to see turnarounds?
there will be 2 more players in the 2019 class. Ive heard from a reliable source it'll be a 4-year guy and what the staff hopes is an impact grad transferThat's actually a myth. Name the quick turnarounds in basketball? UCF went from like 1-11 to 11-1 in football. Syracuse just had a quick turn in football. Name one in basketball? Pike gets a pass because we have literally the worst facilities in the nation and by a long shot. We have zero history and no administrative support. Ash has at worst middle of the road facilities and recent success to point to. Once Pike has the practice facility recruiting needs to pick up. And to be fair to Pike his recruiting has gotten better each season despite the misses. Where Ash's recruiting has just been beyond awful. Pike needs to land someone solid with that last 2019 ship and he needs a top 35 class in 2020 at worst or I will start to lose faith in him as well.
there will be 2 more players in the 2019 class. Ive heard from a reliable source it'll be a 4-year guy and what the staff hopes is an impact grad transfer
By “four year guy” you mean true frosh?there will be 2 more players in the 2019 class. Ive heard from a reliable source it'll be a 4-year guy and what the staff hopes is an impact grad transfer
McClung isnt a Big 10 talent level...so who is at RU? That does not say much for our roster. RU has a good one in Mathis that has broken out like McClung
McClung has hit double digits in his last 8 games, he missed 4 games recently with an ankle injury but came back with 16 vs Providence including a buzzer beating 3 to put the game in OT and 24 tonight vs Marquette a top 25 school...gee I guess that not Big 10 level.....and also had 18 vs Syracuse and 38 against Little Rock....is McConnell better than him? is that what you are saying
Look I dont think we have to badmouth McClung to prop our roster up. The kid can play and we had and him lost him. Its a loss, telling people its not is total spin Hawk and you know it given how the team is struggling mightily right now with very little scoring options. He would have made our team better.
when you count on Kiss and Thiam to be key cogs and they do not produce its an issue. We were assured that Kiss was the best shooter on the team....same thing with Nigel Johnson..and now hearing it with Jacob Young....its endless cycle I could go back further to other coaching regimes...the best guy is always sitting out. Next year the additions of Mulcahy and Young certainly help but talent wise we are still in the bottom 4 of the league
Hawk you have an optimistic take...and it can go that way but its going to take some really big time recruiting at a higher level than we currently are recruiting. I think you even have to admit that. The misses and no shows are hurting the timeline of the rebuild right now and suddenly RU is a team without much depth.
teams do not lose by 35 every night, but now its 3 of 4 where RU was blitzed off the court and while I was high after the OSU win.....if you add in the bad December we had, its been a challenging time for us all. That being said I think RU beats Northwestern on Friday night. Team can play well its just such a small window they have to seize those wins.
if you don't think corey was a legit PG, you're kidding yourself. Corey is what kept us respectable and from complete embarrassment like we saw last night. This worse version of purdue boat raced us by 40. Corey took us wire to wire with them twice last year, did they smoke us once at their place too? yup. But 2 of three times we gave them as much as they could handle.
Still crazy to me on here that people can't see how much corey meant to this team
we played purdue 3 times, you know that right? Twice we went wire to wire with themlol we lost by 31 at Purdue last year. So the line between respectable and embarrassment is somewhere between 32 and 34 points?
we played purdue 3 times, you know that right? Twice we went wire to wire with them
Wire to wire twice ?
Lost by 31 points last year and absolutely destroyed last night.....
[thumb2]yes ...[thumb2]yes and [thumb2]YES !!![thumb2]I don’t blame Pike for misses. He’s trying to dig out of an abortion that is 40 years in the making. “Misses” are the result of competition with a zillion programs with better history better facilities and better fan support. Gotta give it time but agree need to keep getting better at everything including recruiting.
I’m assuming you didn’t follow the football team this year. Big Ten defeats by 3, 7, 13, 14 and 14. Respectable. And not all blow outs. Football team actually showed improvement
This just proves my point Ash is viewed totally different than Pikiell. Just weird, is all
I have not seen Young or Mulcahy play in person, but based on what I understand to be the strengths of their game, I am not sure how much better they make us as a program. I still think Pike's pluses exceed the negatives and look for tangible signs of better play the remainder of this year and team results in year 4.
McClung isnt a Big 10 talent level...so who is at RU? That does not say much for our roster. RU has a good one in Mathis that has broken out like McClung
McClung has hit double digits in his last 8 games, he missed 4 games recently with an ankle injury but came back with 16 vs Providence including a buzzer beating 3 to put the game in OT and 24 tonight vs Marquette a top 25 school...gee I guess that not Big 10 level.....and also had 18 vs Syracuse and 38 against Little Rock....is McConnell better than him? is that what you are saying
Look I dont think we have to badmouth McClung to prop our roster up. The kid can play and we had and him lost him. Its a loss, telling people its not is total spin Hawk and you know it given how the team is struggling mightily right now with very little scoring options. He would have made our team better.
when you count on Kiss and Thiam to be key cogs and they do not produce its an issue. We were assured that Kiss was the best shooter on the team....same thing with Nigel Johnson..and now hearing it with Jacob Young....its endless cycle I could go back further to other coaching regimes...the best guy is always sitting out. Next year the additions of Mulcahy and Young certainly help but talent wise we are still in the bottom 4 of the league
Hawk you have an optimistic take...and it can go that way but its going to take some really big time recruiting at a higher level than we currently are recruiting. I think you even have to admit that. The misses and no shows are hurting the timeline of the rebuild right now and suddenly RU is a team without much depth.
teams do not lose by 35 every night, but now its 3 of 4 where RU was blitzed off the court and while I was high after the OSU win.....if you add in the bad December we had, its been a challenging time for us all. That being said I think RU beats Northwestern on Friday night. Team can play well its just such a small window they have to seize those wins.
Why aren’t other high ranked players coming with Mulcahy? Wasn’t he supposed to open the flood gates?
I have seen Mulcahy play twice in person. The most recent game was last night vs Bridgewater. He had a double-double with 20 points but was usually guarded by much smaller players.