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Game 16 Purdue: Recruiting needs to pick up

I hate to say I told you do but after Corey said see ya and Pike missed on his top targets two years running you could see this coming a mile away. 2020 class is still the key. It’s not gonna be fun to watch but there’s still hope for now.
 
Eugene is the only major contributor upperclassmen on the team. Losing him — the team’s leading scorer, leading rebounder and toughest player — is huge, especially on the road in an incredibly tough environment like Purdue. I knew we’d get beat by double digits tonight even with a good effort. But, I did not think we’d get smoked by 40. I’m disappointed, but not giving up on this team. Burn the tape and find a way to beat Northwestern at the RAC and move on.
 
McClung isnt a Big 10 talent level...so who is at RU? That does not say much for our roster. RU has a good one in Mathis that has broken out like McClung

McClung has hit double digits in his last 8 games, he missed 4 games recently with an ankle injury but came back with 16 vs Providence including a buzzer beating 3 to put the game in OT and 24 tonight vs Marquette a top 25 school...gee I guess that not Big 10 level.....and also had 18 vs Syracuse and 38 against Little Rock....is McConnell better than him? is that what you are saying

Look I dont think we have to badmouth McClung to prop our roster up. The kid can play and we had and him lost him. Its a loss, telling people its not is total spin Hawk and you know it given how the team is struggling mightily right now with very little scoring options. He would have made our team better.

when you count on Kiss and Thiam to be key cogs and they do not produce its an issue. We were assured that Kiss was the best shooter on the team....same thing with Nigel Johnson..and now hearing it with Jacob Young....its endless cycle I could go back further to other coaching regimes...the best guy is always sitting out. Next year the additions of Mulcahy and Young certainly help but talent wise we are still in the bottom 4 of the league

Hawk you have an optimistic take...and it can go that way but its going to take some really big time recruiting at a higher level than we currently are recruiting. I think you even have to admit that. The misses and no shows are hurting the timeline of the rebuild right now and suddenly RU is a team without much depth.

teams do not lose by 35 every night, but now its 3 of 4 where RU was blitzed off the court and while I was high after the OSU win.....if you add in the bad December we had, its been a challenging time for us all. That being said I think RU beats Northwestern on Friday night. Team can play well its just such a small window they have to seize those wins.
 
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Not to bring football in here, but just curious.

Why does Pike have until 2020 before we judge wins and losses, but Ash is pretty much a dead man walking by our fan base after 3 seasons?

Why is Pike getting a longer leash? Is it because he actually has a few big wins? Basketball should be much easier to rebuild than a football program, and it seems both are stagnant right now.

Just curious the difference in perception between the 2 coaches. Both aren’t killing it right now.
Both have their programs regressing despite the hype we hear. And pretty soon both will have to be replaced.
 
I guess my point isn’t about the criticism of Ash. Fine, he may deserve it.

But what was Pike done to be embraced by the fan base so much? 3 years into his tenure and he, like Ash, is still getting embarrassed by Big Ten teams.
Because he's a proven HC that won at a school that had no history of being decent. Not only did he turn that program around, but they won their conference several times and he took them to the NCAA's. That's something Rutgers hasn't experienced since 1991. On the other hand, Ash had NO HC experience and has proven he is probably more adept at being a DC than a HC.

Pike was left with three preceding abominations of coaches: Fred Hills Jr., Rice and Eddie. As bad as Flood was, he inherited Schiano's fine classes and had an 8-5 inaugural season in the B1G. Ash has brought back horrible memories of the Shea error. Pike on the other hand is a proven coach who has had success turning a moribund program around. Personally, if Pike can bring in a small shooting forward to replace Thiam and get one more decent power forward, I think all of us will see a very competitive team night in and night out in the B1G where blowouts will be a memory, and we will win a fair share of B1G home games and steal a few on the road. Ash, has a long way to go to EVER prove he is HC material.
 
Let's be honest. It is VERY difficult to have faith that Mulcahy and Young are going to move the needle. Kiss is just one player, but how can we have confidence when the staff has 30 games of D1 film and screwed this one up, We all had the stats on Kiss and we had questions.

Maybe premature to write him off.
 
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in a perfect world, Kiss given a greater opportunity would have stepped up in these two road games...alas.....however I see Northwestern as another opportunity to prove he can contribute and help us win games. He will get called on through the year, he must answer that call.
 
Kiss was a player a lot of schools wanted and you have no idea you would have Mathis, McConnell or Mulcahy...none were committed at the time Kiss was landed.

Terrible argument. You win or lose based on the players you recruit. Who else was interested means ZERO when the game is being played.

Last year we desperately needed bodies and Kiss was in street clothes.

a rebuttal could be late in the game you wouldnt get much from a HS senior OR a grad transfer may not be a fit. I'd be 100% with that.

maybe he would have been best leaving the spot unfilled and giving ashipto a walk on.

I just dont get how Pikiell couldnt see that defense was going to be a problem. His stats were bad and he doesnt play D, what did the staff see here?
 
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in a perfect world, Kiss given a greater opportunity would have stepped up in these two road games...alas.....however I see Northwestern as another opportunity to prove he can contribute and help us win games. He will get called on through the year, he must answer that call.

I have just about lost faith. He has to put the ball in the basket and stop being so soft for me to see the light.
 
Not to bring football in here, but just curious.

Why does Pike have until 2020 before we judge wins and losses, but Ash is pretty much a dead man walking by our fan base after 3 seasons?

Why is Pike getting a longer leash? Is it because he actually has a few big wins? Basketball should be much easier to rebuild than a football program, and it seems both are stagnant right now.

Just curious the difference in perception between the 2 coaches. Both aren’t killing it right now.
At times, Pikiell's teams have competed with ranked competition. They've won a couple of games and had another half dozen close ones where they played well and were in it to the end. Ash's squads, on the other hand, have never shown a pulse against ranked teams. The best performance that Ash has managed was a 20-7 loss to Penn State.
 
Comparing 1st 3 years of each program under the current coaches, I find it interesting (and depressing) that neither has had a legit PG or QB.

You have to think that had a lot to do with the struggles to date.

If/when we get that fixed, MAYBE we can start to see turnarounds?
 
Too much bad information to clean up, but again we revise history.

Kiss was a player a lot of schools wanted and you have no idea you would have Mathis, McConnell or Mulcahy...none were committed at the time Kiss was landed.

Young, like it or not is a Top 125 player. He's better than Nigel Johnson.

You don't hit on every single recruit.....

McClung is a solid player, but does not change RUs record this year or next and is NOT a PG....he's playing off the ball....he is athletic and fast but last month bac said Strickland was a miss.....this month its McClung....neither is anywhere near the talent level of the bulk of the B1G....

The talent level is a factor....the athleticism or lack thereof is a factor.....we dont have elite speed or athleticism.

Souf Mensah has nothing to do with anything and was replaced by McConnell.....

I would agree with the overview but Eugene isn't athletic either, so I'm not quite sure what is being driven at. He's a very good development man by the staff, which it what it takes. But the player has to have a body or size to work with.

Doorson, Thiam are players that are asked to play through a rebuild but unless you're buying players left and right, it will take time.

The roster turnover is ugly and violent when you watch it happen. It's fine where we are, but i don't see how fans arrive at playing in the #1 league and asking for road wins or to be competitive every night.

If you didn't have a road win at Miami or defeating Ohio State as signs of progress, then all of the complaints would hold more weight. But fans act as if RU is the only team struggling with a rebuild....PSU Illinois and Northwestern all have pieces or players too.

The only way you accelerate this is getting more athletes to compete....fans asking for shooting are fine, but if you can't run, jump and defend or are step slower at every position, shooting threats mean very little, if they can't generate their own offense.

It takes 4 full classes to close the gaps and exit the Jordan era, which was Corey Sanders and not much else recruited over 4 years.

Step off the ledge folks....there's no "get 2 recruits and you're rebuilt", in basketball.....it's never happened anywhere on the planet and it's the biggest myth with no evidence behind it.

To compete in this league, you need 8 to 9 legit players spread out over 3 to 4 classes to balance things out. I think if we can upgrade this spring with another athlete who can defend and get another frontcourt player for down the road, RU will be better next year.

The building blocks are in place, just need more this spring assuming a transfer out happens.
Agree with most of this but saying EO is not athletic is insane
 
Bac

Hawk ...said it right ...it’s a four class rebuild and we have two sealed ...

And you nailed and know i have harped for a while that we have a nucleus but the class of 2020 is pikes first chance to upgrade his 2 class nucleus

He did a very good job of recruiting over thiam and kiss for young and Mulchay ...before Kiss ever took the court

If the build is to work...need more

We need to realize with youth it’s maddening...you have Miami and Ohio state mixes right in with Purdue and St. John’s

Can’t get too high off a good win or too low off of an awful loss
 
Hill got Rosario. Rice got the class with Mack and Seagears (two top 100 players) and Jack, Lewis, Carter, Carter, and Randall (all ranked between 100-200).

And they did this in just as tough a conference back before the RAC even had air conditioning. So the practice facility isn't going to be the game-changer some people thing. Obviously both had failings as coaches that meant those players didn't reach their ceilings (or didn't reach them at Rutgers, anyway). And as was pointed out earlier, one good class doesn't equate to long-term success

BUT... Pikiell hasn't gotten any top-100 players. Doucoure and Mathis were recruiting wins... although it's definitely worth wondering if any other schools wanted Doucoure as a 2017 recruit. Mulcahy is a recruiting win. But every single Big Ten school is getting guys like that every year.

Northwestern has the #79 recruit for 2019. Illinois has #33 and #133. Penn State has #151 (close to Mulcahy) AND three more 3* guys committed. Four teams already have 2020 commits including two for Nebraska.

Pikiell could be a motivational and tactical genius (I happen to think he's merely "good") and it won't matter unless he ups his recruiting game.

Nobody sane is talking about getting rid of him after 3 or 4 years. But it's completely fair to point out what needs to obviously happen going forward.
 
Should be a much easier rebuild. 2 big recruits are difference makers. That’s all it takes in hoops.
That's actually a myth. Name the quick turnarounds in basketball? UCF went from like 1-11 to 11-1 in football. Syracuse just had a quick turn in football. Name one in basketball? Pike gets a pass because we have literally the worst facilities in the nation and by a long shot. We have zero history and no administrative support. Ash has at worst middle of the road facilities and recent success to point to. Once Pike has the practice facility recruiting needs to pick up. And to be fair to Pike his recruiting has gotten better each season despite the misses. Where Ash's recruiting has just been beyond awful. Pike needs to land someone solid with that last 2019 ship and he needs a top 35 class in 2020 at worst or I will start to lose faith in him as well.
 
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That's actually a myth. Name the quick turnarounds in basketball? UCF went from like 1-11 to 11-1 in football. Syracuse just had a quick turn in football. Name one in basketball? Pike gets a pass because we have literally the worst facilities in the nation and by a long shot. We have zero history and no administrative support. Ash has at worst middle of the road facilities and recent success to point to. Once Pike has the practice facility recruiting needs to pick up. And to be fair to Pike his recruiting has gotten better each season despite the misses. Where Ash's recruiting has just been beyond awful. Pike needs to land someone solid with that last 2019 ship and he needs a top 35 class in 2020 at worst or I will start to lose faith in him as well.

Baylor got to the tournament in Scott Drew's 5th season. Jamie Dixon got TCU there in year 2 after the previous coach averaged 12.5 wins a year. Bruce Pearl took four years at Ole Miss. Ben Howland went 25-12 in year 3 and barely missed the tournament, and their previous coach was almost Eddie-bad.

2-5 years is a reasonable timeframe. Given that it's Rutgers, I think 5 years is a fair amount of time.

That being said, if recruiting doesn't improve then it's not hard to predict what will happen in year 5.
 
Comparing 1st 3 years of each program under the current coaches, I find it interesting (and depressing) that neither has had a legit PG or QB.

You have to think that had a lot to do with the struggles to date.

If/when we get that fixed, MAYBE we can start to see turnarounds?
if you don't think corey was a legit PG, you're kidding yourself. Corey is what kept us respectable and from complete embarrassment like we saw last night. This worse version of purdue boat raced us by 40. Corey took us wire to wire with them twice last year, did they smoke us once at their place too? yup. But 2 of three times we gave them as much as they could handle.

Still crazy to me on here that people can't see how much corey meant to this team
 
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This thread is covering a lot of ground beyond just last nights game.

Regarding the game: In the first half I saw enough on the offensive end to keep me interested. We hit some shots and Montez was very good. I even liked that Issa was more aggressive in taking his shot regardless of the outcome. The problem was turnovers and the other end of the court. Too many lazy passes and we did not handle situations where Purdue doubled on passes into the post. It does not help that when Shaq D is in the game we are essentially playing 4 on 5 given his limitations offensively.

The second half we make less shots and Purdue picks up the intensity and thus there is a drought and the deficit balloons pretty quickly. Game over with plenty of time left. Not going to spend time on individual evaluations but as a team there is little that we do well. If we are going to be less talented then we need to be fundamentally sound. 19 TO's 61% FT and not good at either man to man or zone defense is difficult to overcome especially against a team like Purdue that is executing its offense to get the right players opens shots and they are hitting them.

Regarding the questions about the slack provided to Pike, as others have indicated the prior HC experience, the ability to retain quality assistant coaches, winning some recruiting battles against other good basketball schools would be the distinctions with Ash. Honestly when he was hired I was not blown away with his level of success at SBU. We went pretty far down in the conference tiers to hire him and he made the NCAA one time in about 10 years? I know its a one bid league but thats what it is. I thought Hobbs was pretty quick to extend him as well. Despite his positive attributes, there is no guarantee he will get us over the hump. Player development will be huge and there are times where I struggle to see that improvement. Yes EO is better and Shaq D looks better but every player on that team has limitations that other teams can exploit. I also question the conditioning when Geo seems gassed so often. He should be able to play 32 minutes a night with the college schedule.

Finally at Rutgers it has certainly not been easier to turn a basketball program around than football. Perhaps it should be but that has not been the case. Pike is using up some of his stored goodwill capital this year with results like last night. I have not seen Young or Mulcahy play in person, but based on what I understand to be the strengths of their game, I am not sure how much better they make us as a program. I still think Pike's plusses exceed the negatives and look for tangible signs of better play the remainder of this year and team results in year 4.
 
That's actually a myth. Name the quick turnarounds in basketball? UCF went from like 1-11 to 11-1 in football. Syracuse just had a quick turn in football. Name one in basketball? Pike gets a pass because we have literally the worst facilities in the nation and by a long shot. We have zero history and no administrative support. Ash has at worst middle of the road facilities and recent success to point to. Once Pike has the practice facility recruiting needs to pick up. And to be fair to Pike his recruiting has gotten better each season despite the misses. Where Ash's recruiting has just been beyond awful. Pike needs to land someone solid with that last 2019 ship and he needs a top 35 class in 2020 at worst or I will start to lose faith in him as well.
there will be 2 more players in the 2019 class. Ive heard from a reliable source it'll be a 4-year guy and what the staff hopes is an impact grad transfer
 
McClung isnt a Big 10 talent level...so who is at RU? That does not say much for our roster. RU has a good one in Mathis that has broken out like McClung

McClung has hit double digits in his last 8 games, he missed 4 games recently with an ankle injury but came back with 16 vs Providence including a buzzer beating 3 to put the game in OT and 24 tonight vs Marquette a top 25 school...gee I guess that not Big 10 level.....and also had 18 vs Syracuse and 38 against Little Rock....is McConnell better than him? is that what you are saying

Look I dont think we have to badmouth McClung to prop our roster up. The kid can play and we had and him lost him. Its a loss, telling people its not is total spin Hawk and you know it given how the team is struggling mightily right now with very little scoring options. He would have made our team better.

when you count on Kiss and Thiam to be key cogs and they do not produce its an issue. We were assured that Kiss was the best shooter on the team....same thing with Nigel Johnson..and now hearing it with Jacob Young....its endless cycle I could go back further to other coaching regimes...the best guy is always sitting out. Next year the additions of Mulcahy and Young certainly help but talent wise we are still in the bottom 4 of the league

Hawk you have an optimistic take...and it can go that way but its going to take some really big time recruiting at a higher level than we currently are recruiting. I think you even have to admit that. The misses and no shows are hurting the timeline of the rebuild right now and suddenly RU is a team without much depth.

teams do not lose by 35 every night, but now its 3 of 4 where RU was blitzed off the court and while I was high after the OSU win.....if you add in the bad December we had, its been a challenging time for us all. That being said I think RU beats Northwestern on Friday night. Team can play well its just such a small window they have to seize those wins.

McClung has no role in the backcourt on this roster. He's playing a LOT at Georgetown by necessity. He's playing off the ball, which makes a difference to freewheel and take as many shots as he likes. It's not guarding or being guarded by Carsen Edwards, Cassius Winston, Luther Muhammad, Anthony Cowen and Trice from Wisconsin.

This is the best B1G league in the last 5 years. There's no free lunch here, sorry but the Big East is solid, but i can't compare leagues top to.bottom.

The more legitimate discussion is recruiting multiple Top 75 to 100 kids which is what the Top half or 3/4 of the B1G, ACC, Big East, Big 12 and SEC does....and if RU isn't getting their hands very dirty like the LSU'S or blue bloods, i don't see a path for a quick fix.

Keep in mind Mathis almost went to UConn via the path most recruits go....life looks drastically different if you dont land Mathis and find gems in Harper, McConnell and Mulcahy that are outside the AAU cesspool of recruiting. You have to take the pieces that want to be here, beyond the Alvarado, Hyatt, Massoud types that landed elsewhere or made their decisions based on what most recruits do at that level.

The entire planet missed on McClung but we cant have 4 guards all playing off the ball. At some point, Georgetown will have to find a legitimate SG and if McClung proves better than Mathis or Baker, then you tip your hat. He's not scoring 14PPG unless he's on the court for 30 minutes a game.....Mathis is a better defender, shooter and player.

If McClung turns out better than Mulcahy as a PG, he would be playing PG over Akinjo at GTown....he's effective because every teams SG or Off guard playing 30 minutes should score double digits. There's no value for McClung unless he's able to play PG, so his stats aren't relevant unless he's playing and running the offense.
 
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if you don't think corey was a legit PG, you're kidding yourself. Corey is what kept us respectable and from complete embarrassment like we saw last night. This worse version of purdue boat raced us by 40. Corey took us wire to wire with them twice last year, did they smoke us once at their place too? yup. But 2 of three times we gave them as much as they could handle.

Still crazy to me on here that people can't see how much corey meant to this team

lol we lost by 31 at Purdue last year. So the line between respectable and embarrassment is somewhere between 32 and 34 points?
 
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Winning matters because it translates to better recruiting which means shooters and not the best player available.The best Rutgers players have often transferred after two seasons because of the lack of team success.

1-Basketball programs with talent don't have 12 consecutive losing seasons.
2.Basketball programs with talent don't have 28 consecutive seasons without one NCAA bid.
3.Basketball programs with talent usually win at least half of their league games including wins on the road.
4.Basketball programs with talent have a positive perception which enhances recruiting and getting more favorable referee calls.
5.Basketball programs that lack talent see constant turnover in players and coaching staffs.
6.Basketball programs that lack talent can't sustain fan support and positive media attention.
7.Rutgers mens basketball seems stuck in a abyss despite the best efforts of the current and previous coaching staffs.Without a Quincy Douby type go to shooter/scorer its hard to discern how there will be positive improvement in a powerhouse B1G Conference.Wishful thinking won't get the improvement needed.
 
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lol we lost by 31 at Purdue last year. So the line between respectable and embarrassment is somewhere between 32 and 34 points?
we played purdue 3 times, you know that right? Twice we went wire to wire with them
 
I thought Purdue looked good last night. Offensively a pleasure to watch throughout the game and their all around game was strong in the second half. I liked their game better than Minnesota's.
 
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in classic fashion, the Pike haters come out saying Pike is a bad coach. WUT?

last night was no bueno. but - at least for me - I came into this season expecting some very rough games this year given the youth and inexperience on this roster. and that's not a cop-out. that said, I also expected us to pick off a couple of games we weren't expected to win. OSU last week was one of them. as was Miami on the road.

while I think it's completely fair to worry about the overall talent on the roster...I don't see how anyone concludes Pike is not a good coach. the only people saying that haven't watched this team prior to his arrival. and the comparison to football is asinine. Sojo in particular is hell bent on being right since he didn't want Pike to be here to begin with. Sorry pal, but you have zero credibility on this matter, IMHO.

threads like this remind me just how inexperienced and insane our fanbase is. just because we've been bad for so long doesn't give us a hall pass to neuter the logic function in our brain.

this season is playing out mostly as I expected. perhaps a nut-hair worse as I didn't see a 50 pt shellacking in the cards. that said, I am looking for incremental development from our younger guys...and am watching to see how Pike figures this rotation out. Can he get Kiss going? Can we pick off a couple more games? Does this team improve and finish strong(er)?

I believe we will. I believe in Pike. it's the middle of year 3 of arguably one of the toughest builds in college bball...chill the f*ck out people.
 
It's more than fair to raise concerns. Nobody is saying to get rid of him.

It's also fair to point out how tough the road is. In Chris Collins' third year at Northwestern, they lost back-to-back games to Indiana and Michigan State by 32 and 31 points. They made the tournament the next season. HOWEVER it also needs to mentioned that they ended up going 8-10 in Collins' third year with three road wins. We have very little hope of coming anywhere close to 8 wins.
 
Wire to wire twice ?
Lost by 31 points last year and absolutely destroyed last night.....

He is talking about the games last year against Purdue at the RAC and MSG, both of which went down to the wire.
 
I don’t blame Pike for misses. He’s trying to dig out of an abortion that is 40 years in the making. “Misses” are the result of competition with a zillion programs with better history better facilities and better fan support. Gotta give it time but agree need to keep getting better at everything including recruiting.
[thumb2]yes ...[thumb2]yes and [thumb2]YES !!![thumb2]

We always need better recruits, but Pike has done decently given what RU has to offer
HIS frosh are better than most of us hoped and our Jr transfer is also decent!

We need a couple ringers in the next couple years....and more every year after that
I have NO DOUBT Pike is working tirelessly on it
:okay::okay:Better facilities WILL HELP !!!!:okay::okay:
Once we get a :cool2:"Quincy Douby" :cool2:or two on board
the kids WILL come.....
they ALL want to get to the pros...(IMO)
and
:smiley:Pike is an easy coach to play for:smiley:
 
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I’m assuming you didn’t follow the football team this year. Big Ten defeats by 3, 7, 13, 14 and 14. Respectable. And not all blow outs. Football team actually showed improvement

This just proves my point Ash is viewed totally different than Pikiell. Just weird, is all

Not weird at all, to me.

1. Ash had no resume prior to coming to Rutgers. He had zero wins as a HC, had no experience as a head coach, and had never run an offense before. There was little faith from the jump that he knew what it took to build a program. Pike, on the other hand, has a track record that people can look back to and say "he's done it elsewhere" - which gives him more benefit of the doubt.
2. Ash hired bad staff. No one on his staff had experienced success at the level they were being asked to coach, and it took him two years to shore up any of his own blind spots with stronger offensive staff. Pike, on the other hand, brought in what is probably the best assistant coaching staff we've ever seen on the Banks right out of the gate.
3. Ash has shown no consistency in philosophy. With three OCs in three years, and recruiting all over the map, it's hard to see what Ash is trying to do - which is compounded by the fact that none of his experience is on the offensive side of the ball. Pike has shown a clear "what I'm trying to accomplish" path, which allows fans to gauge where we are on that journey.... rather than "oh, we're at square one again, for the third straight year"
4. There's much less margin for error in football. With 12 games, and 9 grueling conference games, the OOC games are a huge focus. Wins against FCS schools, and schools ranked >110, are expected - much like bball wins against teams ranked 300+. But two crushing losses to perennially bottom-feeding Kansas and Buffalo is like Pike losing 8 OOC games by 30 points.... one or two bad losses in basketball are weighed against many more games in the season, whereas one or two bad losses in football are highlighted.
5. Expectations are much lower in basketball. We haven't seen the postseason since 1991... that's 28 years, and we're on our 6th different coach since then. We last reached the postseason in football two years before Ash arrived. Winning seasons and bowl trips are fresh in the minds of most of the football fanbase - so a 1-11 season feels that much worse. By contrast, basketball hasn't even seen .500 since 2006, and hasn't hit .500 in conference since 2002. PIke's 15 wins in his first two seasons match the high water mark of the last three coaches (no coach has won more than 15 since Waters in 2005-06)... the last RU bball coach to start his first two seasons with 15 wins was Bob Wenzel back in 1987-89.
6. Ash's recruiting has been worse, and is trending the wrong direction. Pike's classes have largely improved year to year, whereas Ash hasn't had a single 4* commitment since the first snap of his first year.

I could go on - but there are a lot of reasons why Ash's progress is viewed as worse than Pike's so far.

That's not saying the tide might not turn on Pike if the wheels come off the rest of this season, and we can't land any big fish in 2020 or 2021. But right now, it makes total sense why the impressions of the two coaches are vastly different.
 
I just think yesterday's game is about we always suck against Purdue. We were on fire and still couldn't beat Purdue in the tournament last year.

But about recruiting, the Omoryuri injury shows us one thing.....we MUST MUST MUST get a top 150 level PF for the 2019 recruiting class. We lose both Omoyuri and Carter in 2020 we can get as many great guards as we want if we leave that hole open in our roster we will never get out of the basement.
 
I have not seen Young or Mulcahy play in person, but based on what I understand to be the strengths of their game, I am not sure how much better they make us as a program. I still think Pike's pluses exceed the negatives and look for tangible signs of better play the remainder of this year and team results in year 4.

I have seen Mulcahy play twice in person. The most recent game was last night vs Bridgewater. He had a double-double with 20 points but was usually guarded by much smaller players. Paul is, by far, the best high school passer I have ever seen. That is his strength, which doesn't do much for Rutgers as he will get the ball to the open guy, but we have no shooters. The box score from RU's game last night shows the team was 37% from 2-point range. The OP said it best - we need to recruit better and we must have guys that can put the ball in the basket.

From what I observed, Paul may have a problem on D vs the quicker guards in the B1G. Additionally, many posters have often mentioned the low release on his shot and that will also be an issue. Having said all of the above, he is such a fun guy to watch on the court as he really has a basketball IQ that is off the charts. Pike - please get some players that can put the ball in the hoop.
 
McClung isnt a Big 10 talent level...so who is at RU? That does not say much for our roster. RU has a good one in Mathis that has broken out like McClung

McClung has hit double digits in his last 8 games, he missed 4 games recently with an ankle injury but came back with 16 vs Providence including a buzzer beating 3 to put the game in OT and 24 tonight vs Marquette a top 25 school...gee I guess that not Big 10 level.....and also had 18 vs Syracuse and 38 against Little Rock....is McConnell better than him? is that what you are saying

Look I dont think we have to badmouth McClung to prop our roster up. The kid can play and we had and him lost him. Its a loss, telling people its not is total spin Hawk and you know it given how the team is struggling mightily right now with very little scoring options. He would have made our team better.

when you count on Kiss and Thiam to be key cogs and they do not produce its an issue. We were assured that Kiss was the best shooter on the team....same thing with Nigel Johnson..and now hearing it with Jacob Young....its endless cycle I could go back further to other coaching regimes...the best guy is always sitting out. Next year the additions of Mulcahy and Young certainly help but talent wise we are still in the bottom 4 of the league

Hawk you have an optimistic take...and it can go that way but its going to take some really big time recruiting at a higher level than we currently are recruiting. I think you even have to admit that. The misses and no shows are hurting the timeline of the rebuild right now and suddenly RU is a team without much depth.

teams do not lose by 35 every night, but now its 3 of 4 where RU was blitzed off the court and while I was high after the OSU win.....if you add in the bad December we had, its been a challenging time for us all. That being said I think RU beats Northwestern on Friday night. Team can play well its just such a small window they have to seize those wins.


Look at McClung and his actual numbers. He has been given a role that would not fit here. And his numbers are not as good as one would assume by doing a random search.
 
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The one thing that really stood out to me last night was the lack of toughness with this team. This is where not having Eugene really hurts us. I saw play after play where our guys are soft on D, passively going after loose balls, not fighting through screens, etc.
I think its another reason why Mathis is really stepping out lately. He has that toughness and tenacity that's lacking with a lot of our guys. This team can't compete in the B10 with a roster that's so soft.
 
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I have seen Mulcahy play twice in person. The most recent game was last night vs Bridgewater. He had a double-double with 20 points but was usually guarded by much smaller players.

Intramural teams at Rutgers can take down most of the teams Mulcahy faces in HS. He might see better competition at his local Y against half of the opponents and he is playing with a roster of highly skilled players (especially relative to competition)

I am very concerned that expectations that are placed on him by fans are extremely unrealistic.
 
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