Watched the Ranney kids. They are talented. We NEED players of that caliber.
Game 16 Purdue: Recruiting needs to pick up
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Capel at Pitt this year...not saying they are going anywhere this year but last year under Stallings they were 0-18/8-24 and now they are 12-5/2-2 and just beat #12 Florida State. Looking at their roster they are very young
The B1G finally appears to be returning to the basketball league it used to be in days past. After Michigan and Illinois both made the final four in 1989 there was a dip in the '90s as coaches such as Knight and Keady started getting old, and Coach K started his storied run at Duke, aided by ESPN and fawning announcers such as Duke Vitale and ACC-worshipping Billy Packer. The emergence of the Big East as a power conference was also a factor.
Despite a hiccup last year, the coaching in the B1G is probably as strong as it's been in years. Chambers at Penn State is teetering and I'm not sure Underwood is the answer at Illinois (which with the BB talent in that state should be a perennial top 25 team). Other than that, no easy touches (including Rutgers at home). I think Pike will be OK for you guys long-term. Guess we'll see.
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Capel has a reputation documented for buying players....RU can do the same as Pitt, as others around the country...it's not rocket science it's the reality of getting the best players in your program. To act as if RU has any past coaches like Capel with a track record documented from Oklahoma is just not true.
The path is tougher and longer if you don't cheat. Northwestern and Wisconsin don't and are rare in this level of talent pool to have the ability to have any success. I would argue that Northwestern has the model or blueprint but they went a full decade under Carmody and now Collins with 1 appearance. They've closed the gaps considerably from years ago where you have to play well to beat them.
I would love Naz Reid or whatever 1 or 2 and done players vs Issa Thiam or whatever we play in our front court. I also know enough that it's not in our DNA as a school and culture athletically as a University.
Hawk touched on something that has become apparent to me...that Pike and thus far more closely resembles N'western under Carmody. slow, steady climb, never got into NCAA, into NIT a number of times...now, I obviously hope for better, but this has the look of taking at least 5 years, and maybe longer, to get to the NCAAs. We have to hope that Baker as a senior, and the current frosh class as juniors can do it. It might take 1-3 more recruiting cycles...the players after Baker, Eugene, etc. But we also can't have transfers, or players jumping to playing professionally earlier either.
I'm not going to throw shade at Pitt. I'm 44, following RU since I was in Pharmacy school in the 90s, I really don't care if RU does it the way as Pitt does, I just want it done. who cares how Willard and shoe did it, they have now made the NCAAs 3 straight years.
Cronin did similar at Cincinnati, which to me is the best case for us here--I think took him 6 years, and Bearcats have far more tradition and success prior to Cronin than we do.
I'm not going to throw shade at Pitt. I'm 44, following RU since I was in Pharmacy school in the 90s, I really don't care if RU does it the way as Pitt does, I just want it done. who cares how Willard and shoe did it, they have now made the NCAAs 3 straight years.
Cronin did similar at Cincinnati, which to me is the best case for us here--I think took him 6 years, and Bearcats have far more tradition and success prior to Cronin than we do.
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i'd have ZERO issue with cheating to get players if i'm being totally honest. ZERO.
It's not cheating if 90% of the schools are all doing it, just saying we can't hire a QB coach and haven't had any facilities in basketball, ever. Most schools don't get caught but the mandate Hobbs has, is to run a clean program.
He also had the same mandate for Kevin Willard at SHU until their fans and donors whined enough to engineer the Whitehead debacle. I don't think it's sustainable if you aren't in that pool for players each year, so it depends on where rebuild is.
My guess is when Mathis, McConnell Harper and Myles Johnson are juniors is the recruiting class that sustains what's been put in place today.....and it assumes no hiccups in playern development.
Rather continue winning 3-4 games in B1G and run a clean program then cheat
Except that signing 2 recruits away from the powerhouse programs is nearly impossible without a foundation to show them.
If you’d rather cheat than lose, you’re not rooting for Rutgers. You’re rooting for yourself to have a winning team
Carmody was a good Xs and Os man, but notoriously hated to recruit. Frank Kaminsky, who went to high school in Illinois, had expressed some interest in Northwestern, but Carmody made little effort to reel him in and he ended up at Wisconsin. Although Carmody did better than most had done at Northwestern, they finally let him go when the realization that he had reached his ceiling sunk in.
Yeah,
It would suck to do what all the teams we want to be like record wise do to be successful. Because, you know, most fans would rather be in last place than be in the NCAA'S.
I liken this year to playing a round of golf. We're going to shoot a 110, but we're going to make about 6 or 7 really nice shots that make us believe there is hope, and that keep us coming back for another round next year.
Hopefully we break 100 next year...
Hopefully we break 100 next year...
Little early to be calling those 3 guys “gems”. Classic case of overrating our talent and my highlighting recruiting deficiencies.
Still waiting for Willard's involvement with the Whitehead thing to be made public. So far nada.
Enough with the people who win cheat and we won't stuff-----it's lame.
Nobody anywhere doing a better job than Jeff Capel right now.
Inherited a mess of RU proportions and is competitive right away with young kids in one of the best leagues if not the best league in the country.
I don't gamble
It's not lame. No doubt there are plenty of reasons why we have a tough time getting recruits that don't have to do with $, but if what i hear is accurate $ is the nail in the coffin
If you invest in individual stocks you gamble.
But anyway since you didn’t want to play and admittedly I tried to set the trap it’s not cheating if everyone does it.
Good for you for investing through traditional vehicles that don’t include any individual stocks.
It’s not cheating if everyone does it.
Yes actually GREAT analogy. No one thinks your a worse person for getting a speeding ticket and anyone can get one even if they are typically responsible in their approach. No one thinks you’re a great person for not getting one.
Now if you speed and get into an accident and physically hurt someone else that’s a different story. But in this analogy no one is actually impacted to that degree.
Great point! Thanks!
no one is getting in trouble for paying players anymore, if everyone is doing it, RU needs to do it as well or drop down.
Sorry it wasn’t clear I was making a joke.
My serious comment is this: I agree that we should do what every other team in the B1G is doing—“every,” not “some.” If all programs which are having more success than we have had for forty years, are doing something, I accept your point. But that requires me to believe that we are a clean program and there are no others—since we are historically bad.
that will not matter.....we all that stuff that came out last year and nothing happened, its over
Exactly. It's a joke the constant spin. How can someone say McClung, who is averaging 13 points a game "has no fit in our backcourt"...and then a paragraph later say that Harper, McConnell, and Mulcahy are "gems". It makes no damn sense. Two guys on are current roster who are shooting at a worst % than McClung and have the same assist/to ratio...and one kid who is still in HS.
This is not saying McClung is Allen Iverson. Or Harper and McConnell are busts. But give me a break with the nonsense, agenda, and spin.
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