then he shouldnt be playing 32 minutes, giving nothing but a couple of assists in the 2nd half, its criminal that Pike would play him while hurt and ineffective
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then he shouldnt be playing 32 minutes, giving nothing but a couple of assists in the 2nd half, its criminal that Pike would play him while hurt and ineffective
He made the decision to not play Jones because of defense.
he could have moved Harper and Jones to top of the zone and moves Mulcahy to high post.
however he wasn’t happy with the D and effort from his freshman.
They ran zone for stretches in the first half too.
And we still had success working the ball inside against the zone for the first ten minutes of the second half as well.
All true. The only thing I will add is this is the mentally weakest team I can remember…and that starts at the top. You could see the passivity as the clock ticked down. A frightened, weak and not very talented group right now that hoped they could win without really trying to do it. No leader on or off the court.
You’re going to let a horse shit, weak, slow defensive team take away your inside game because they switched to a zone.
Give me a break, attack it with bigger stronger players.
UMASS took away the middle is a bad joke.
While they attempted to take it away, we should have attacked it more and won by 30
I think your argument is how can we allow a D1 team pack the middle like that and leave perimeter players wide open and not shoot.
Is there any logical reason why Pike does this? It's like he's trying to force him out of the program rather than grow on the court.
We are played 2 teams with a pulse and both have crushed us defensively. If we don’t learn to play defense we are in deep sh!t. Jones and Hyatt need to be programmed to play hard on D.
the last 2 years Pike hasn’t played guys who don’t defend enough. With the exception of a player or 2.
I’ve heard him intimate that too. I’d be truly believes that, one has to wonder why he hasn’t come close to finding his replacement next year
Seton Hall would gladly take him and Coach Billmeier would work his magic.
Why post that, other than to bring stupidity to a second Rivals board?
I just looked at the PDF Box Score I posted
34/62 FG
25/35 in shots in the paint, 71.4%
3/13 from 3
6/14 from 2 outside the paint
Right side, 2pt 0/2, 3pt 0/6
Top of key, 2pt 2/3, 3pt 0/1, all 4 favored left side key
Left side, 2pt 4/9, 3pt 3/6
15(more like 19) out of 27 shots outside the paint went to the left side of the offense, probably got easier to defend as the game wore on.
34/62 FG
25/35 in shots in the paint, 71.4%
3/13 from 3
6/14 from 2 outside the paint
Right side, 2pt 0/2, 3pt 0/6
Top of key, 2pt 2/3, 3pt 0/1, all 4 favored left side key
Left side, 2pt 4/9, 3pt 3/6
15(more like 19) out of 27 shots outside the paint went to the left side of the offense, probably got easier to defend as the game wore on.
There are much bigger issues beyond this season for both football and hoops....is RU going to try and sustain success by recruiting at a high enough level...??
Or are fans going to demand it happens via NIL, pressure on Schisno, Pike and Hobbs??
It's one thing to set up NIL for Gavin Wimsatt.....why not the other current and incoming recruiting targets??
It's clear we are not paying the appropriate or available hoops recruiting parties like most schools are to secure competent and competitive talent....until that happens, what exactly do we expect to happen vs the Michigan's, Ohio States, Maryland, Michigan States, Indiana etc.....keep in mind that's just in our own conference....
Pike has 2 spots open, and needs to retool this roster......Schiano has kids who want to be here, but perhaps a past mistake off the field or "he's not a fit for the culture", can only take you to staying bad, below average or once in awhile, above average/good.
You have to shoot for great, to just be very good to average.....you have to shoot or build with higher demands as fans, to not see what we have seen all year in football (specifically on offense) and now think that's acceptable....how does this happen or where else does Schiano get that rope.....or Pike continues to play kids 35 and 36 minutes, who are complimentary players??
Both programs are lost right now in concepts, recruiting isn't frankly good enough for either program and we lack the numbers of high end athletes or players right now....it has to get better and fast....
Or are fans going to demand it happens via NIL, pressure on Schisno, Pike and Hobbs??
It's one thing to set up NIL for Gavin Wimsatt.....why not the other current and incoming recruiting targets??
It's clear we are not paying the appropriate or available hoops recruiting parties like most schools are to secure competent and competitive talent....until that happens, what exactly do we expect to happen vs the Michigan's, Ohio States, Maryland, Michigan States, Indiana etc.....keep in mind that's just in our own conference....
Pike has 2 spots open, and needs to retool this roster......Schiano has kids who want to be here, but perhaps a past mistake off the field or "he's not a fit for the culture", can only take you to staying bad, below average or once in awhile, above average/good.
You have to shoot for great, to just be very good to average.....you have to shoot or build with higher demands as fans, to not see what we have seen all year in football (specifically on offense) and now think that's acceptable....how does this happen or where else does Schiano get that rope.....or Pike continues to play kids 35 and 36 minutes, who are complimentary players??
Both programs are lost right now in concepts, recruiting isn't frankly good enough for either program and we lack the numbers of high end athletes or players right now....it has to get better and fast....
Wait a second…..
Wait a second. We won the past 2 years and you basically dissed the guys that left. Now this?
Hawk - Schiano did not have a successful year but it was an improvement. He is doing more wirh less AND he is recruiting well considering - actually recruiting well period, esp on the o line where most of our problems are stem from.
Pike - I don’t even know where to start. He’s a liar, a poor recruiter with a few exceptions, a poor motivator…I really believe the last two years were fools gold.
If NJH is right with NIL (I think he is) the death of college sports as we know it is coming sooner than I thought. Rutgers isn’t going to compete in that world he speaks of.
This guy is done going to games. I have a substitute. I’ll just get season tickets to the Devils. I gave up football tickets and found I don’t miss it.
At the end of the day thousands of kids that get a path to an education through sports are going to lose it because a few athletes are able to monetize their skills.
This guy is done going to games. I have a substitute. I’ll just get season tickets to the Devils. I gave up football tickets and found I don’t miss it.
At the end of the day thousands of kids that get a path to an education through sports are going to lose it because a few athletes are able to monetize their skills.
Yesterday was the worst day for Rutgers sports in many years. Awful man just awful. Thank God for wrestling and woman's soccer.
I personally think JY left because of too many Geo iso late in the game. Pike hitched his wagon with Geo and that will be his downfall.
That is a good educated guess of why he left.
That might be his downfall for 2021-22.
I really don’t know how all this will play out over the next 9 months. My hope is that he has pieces than can defend but they are still learning. It doesn’t help when the face of the program is a lousy defender that doesn’t expend enough energy when the ball isn’t in his hands.
Football is abysmal and unwatchable on offense....improved is based on how terrible Temple Syracuse and Indiana played....we played one solid 4 quarters of football at Illinois and 2 quarters at Michigan down 20-3 @ half......Illinois was flat and off a letdown because they played 9 OTs in a war against PSU.....and Delaware counts because of what exactly??
I am saying in a large or general sense, Schiano is sitting on kids who should be playing and rolling out Noah Vedral who is no better than any of the QBs we have.....and now I have Pike playing Mulcahy, 36 minutes back to back games and Caleb 35 and I am supposed to think RU is all-in towards winning games??
There is an allegiance towards the program and school and players who play here work hard.....but don't insult me at the same time and tell me that's the best we can do at QB or other positions in football and then when other kids get a chance, they perform at a similar or better level.....
In hoops, it is just remedial coaching and recruiting.....if you played the best players, and have a plan towards winning, RU hoops is sitting at 6-0, has an appropriate game plan for Jaden Jones to take over as a starting guard and Aundre Hyatt is helping by playing (if RHJ isn't healthy).
If you are recruiting or watching recruiting across all of college basketball, it is and has been clear to me for the better part of 2 decades or more, that RU rarely gets involved to compete for the players (not 1 and done players), that are necessary to improve and win.
The floor for RU hoops should be. 500 overall, in an absolute worse case or injury riddled scenario. There is no justification at any level, to think you could replace the shot attempts departed by Jacob Young and Montez Mathis, by NOT playing Aundre Hyatt and Jaden Jones. There's lack of recruiting and then there's malpractice......
I am not advocating that Caleb and Paul are not B1G caliber players or anything like that. But you can't ask them to be front line guards against a zone defense or any reasonable defense at the level.
My question is, if Schiano trots out Vedral on scholarship next year and doesn't actually bring in a legitimate QB to be a backup, are we just coasting along.....??
If we aren't going to play Jaden Jones, Hyatt the appropriate minutes (let alone somehow playing Oskar Palmquist) and not play Jalen Miller 1 minute??
UMass has 2 guards who if you leave open or don't make them work hard on defense, will have fresh legs to shoot 3s.....Jalen Miller (with Geo Baker out) can't harass Noah Fernandes or Rich Kelly..????......this isn't exactly the guards of the B1G we are talking about.....
I am saying in a large or general sense, Schiano is sitting on kids who should be playing and rolling out Noah Vedral who is no better than any of the QBs we have.....and now I have Pike playing Mulcahy, 36 minutes back to back games and Caleb 35 and I am supposed to think RU is all-in towards winning games??
There is an allegiance towards the program and school and players who play here work hard.....but don't insult me at the same time and tell me that's the best we can do at QB or other positions in football and then when other kids get a chance, they perform at a similar or better level.....
In hoops, it is just remedial coaching and recruiting.....if you played the best players, and have a plan towards winning, RU hoops is sitting at 6-0, has an appropriate game plan for Jaden Jones to take over as a starting guard and Aundre Hyatt is helping by playing (if RHJ isn't healthy).
If you are recruiting or watching recruiting across all of college basketball, it is and has been clear to me for the better part of 2 decades or more, that RU rarely gets involved to compete for the players (not 1 and done players), that are necessary to improve and win.
The floor for RU hoops should be. 500 overall, in an absolute worse case or injury riddled scenario. There is no justification at any level, to think you could replace the shot attempts departed by Jacob Young and Montez Mathis, by NOT playing Aundre Hyatt and Jaden Jones. There's lack of recruiting and then there's malpractice......
I am not advocating that Caleb and Paul are not B1G caliber players or anything like that. But you can't ask them to be front line guards against a zone defense or any reasonable defense at the level.
My question is, if Schiano trots out Vedral on scholarship next year and doesn't actually bring in a legitimate QB to be a backup, are we just coasting along.....??
If we aren't going to play Jaden Jones, Hyatt the appropriate minutes (let alone somehow playing Oskar Palmquist) and not play Jalen Miller 1 minute??
UMass has 2 guards who if you leave open or don't make them work hard on defense, will have fresh legs to shoot 3s.....Jalen Miller (with Geo Baker out) can't harass Noah Fernandes or Rich Kelly..????......this isn't exactly the guards of the B1G we are talking about.....
Football rebuild is much harder than basketball. GS is ahead of Pike in their respective years. Those are facts. On a personal level, I feel like football is on the right path because of recruiting.
I guess it makes everyone feel better to say we are doing bad because the coach is playing the wrong players.
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This is a freezing cold take. No need to diss football. GS took over a team that was on a 21 game conference losing streak and was 3-21 in their last 24. No da the offense is going to be unwatchable. We didn’t have a game ready QB on the roster. There were times where we had two walks on and a DL starting on the OL. Meanwhile our second best OL was out for the year and our best OL was out for 4 games. GS isn’t a bs’er like Pike
Add in the Lafayette loss and it was probably the worst week.
His opinion has changed dramatically after watching the first six games.
How about playing them out of position, and not utilizing the strengths they do have.
Only skimmed some of the posts here and I'm not going to pile on the negativity. I saw a lot of positives from the UMass game. Obviously, the offense was horrible the last five minutes or so and we committed some bonehead plays on defense, but I see this as a team that is developing and will get better and better. Paul, Caleb, Mawot, Agee, Jones, and Oskar all had good to very good games on offense. Cliff is coming along. Ron did ok, but he seemed to be hurting (his back?). Hyatt did nothing and deserved to sit this game. Hopefully, he can give some productive minutes, like we all thought. We could have used Geo in this end game situation, but not to be. I wouldn't be shocked if we beat Clemson and get things turned around. Have faith and don't be such chicken-littles.
We are all searching for reasons….
It is more logical to me that the players aren’t good over the coach is playing them in a wrong position or playing the wrong people.
I am not dismissing it as a possibility.
I agree with your thought about Geo as the PG, but I don’t see Paul as a 2 or 3.
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