Game of Thrones as always lots of spoilers

[mdh2003]

They are moving at light speed for sure. The next two seasons are going to be shorter but I hope there won't be a huge delay between them if that is the case. From what I read, there are only 13 eps left in the whole show now.

This is what pains me about GRRM. A story needs an ending - not sure why the HBO series can (so far) pull this off spectacularly and the books keep dithering about. It's really a shame that the books' thunder was stolen, but there's only one person to blame. Another point - it's not like he forgot how to write. The Dunk and Egg stories are very good. REALLY very good. There are many stories to tell from this rich world. Back history, current time, forward history, whatever. But they don't ALL need to be in the same book/series.

 

[MoobyCow]

This is what pains me about GRRM. A story needs an ending - not sure why the HBO series can (so far) pull this off spectacularly and the books keep dithering about. It's really a shame that the books' thunder was stolen, but there's only one person to blame. Another point - it's not like he forgot how to write. The Dunk and Egg stories are very good. REALLY very good. There are many stories to tell from this rich world. Back history, current time, forward history, whatever. But they don't ALL need to be in the same book/series.

He's on record as saying he hates to outline a story in too much detail because then he feels like he has already told the story and losses interest in writing it. I think he's really struggling to write because he had to outline too much for the show. In his head, he's already told the story and now it's boring for him to write it all down.

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

I really can't see the Others (whitewalkers) bringing the wall down before the final season unless it is the last shot of the last ep of season 7.

We still have Little finger and the Mad Queen to worry about for next season. These two will be the main villains next season.

 

[MoobyCow]

We still have Little finger and the Mad Queen to worry about for next season. These two will be the main villains next season.

Sick Lady Mormont on them. Problem solved.

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

This is what pains me about GRRM. A story needs an ending - not sure why the HBO series can (so far) pull this off spectacularly and the books keep dithering about. It's really a shame that the books' thunder was stolen, but there's only one person to blame. Another point - it's not like he forgot how to write. The Dunk and Egg stories are very good. REALLY very good. There are many stories to tell from this rich world. Back history, current time, forward history, whatever. But they don't ALL need to be in the same book/series.

The TV show is really a simplified version of the books, there is a LOT more characters and plots happening in the books. Also the TV show tends to get sloppy in the writing for dramatic effect, so they will have characters do and say things that are out of character and/or don't make sense just to set-up a cool looking scene or to rush a story-line along (this happens a LOT). The books are much, much, much better written in every single way possible. They are also massive tombs. The fact that he is a slow writer only makes things worse.

It is extremely unlikely that we will see the real ending this decade. Rutgers will get it's full B1G payout share way before that happens.

Heck at this point, I just hope for the Winds of Winter to be finish this decade!

The nightmare case is that he will die before finishing the final book. Which would be tragic in so many ways.

At least with the TV show, we will get some kind of ending, even if it is just the Hollywood version. Better than nothing, right?

 

[Scarlet_Monster]

I really can't see the Others (whitewalkers) bringing the wall down before the final season unless it is the last shot of the last ep of season 7.

We still have Little finger and the Mad Queen to worry about for next season. These two will be the main villains next season.

The big rumor an theory was that since Bran was marked by the Nights King, as soon as he went back on the otherside of the wall, it would fail and down the wall would come.

 

[T2Kplus10]

The music and scene setting during the trial/wild fire scenes was amazingly good.

Agreed, that has to win some awards.

 

[Cabana Man]

Great episode last night! Loved the opening! It reminded me of the Godfather baby Baptism scene!!!

 

[T2Kplus10]

He's on record as saying he hates to outline a story in too much detail because then he feels like he has already told the story and losses interest in writing it. I think he's really struggling to write because he had to outline too much for the show. In his head, he's already told the story and now it's boring for him to write it all down.

And he has said, the show and novels will end on the same place. They will not be different. Obviously, the journey may be different, but the big events and conclusion will be synced up.

 

[RUSK97]

Am I the only one utterly disappointed by Maergery's plan? It seemed as though she had no plan other than to batt her eyelashes at the High Sparrow, make him believe she had converted only to allow her and Loris to escape. That's just a really simplistic and stupid plan. That kind of plan gets you incinerated. I just expected more from such a master manipulator.

 

[PaKnight]

Am I the only one utterly disappointed by Maergery's plan? It seemed as though she had no plan other than to batt her eyelashes at the High Sparrow, make him believe she had converted only to allow her and Loris to escape. That's just a really simplistic and stupid plan. That kind of plan gets you incinerated. I just expected more from such a master manipulator.

Her plan also included Cersei being being convicted and killed. It was not a bad plan.

She was already out and would be queen.

 

[Crazed_RU]

I didn't get

He's on record as saying he hates to outline a story in too much detail because then he feels like he has already told the story and losses interest in writing it. I think he's really struggling to write because he had to outline too much for the show. In his head, he's already told the story and now it's boring for him to write it all down.

The problems with him not delivering timely book updates has been going on long before the HBO series even started. The only time he delivered a timely book update was in between books 2 and 3. Books 3 and 4 had 5 years in between, and books 4 and 5 had 6 years. The next one will have at least 5+ years.

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

In his recent sit down interview with Stephen King, he let out that he has only written 3 chapters in the last 6 months.... he was joking around but maybe he wasn't.

 

[RUJohnny99]

One theory I saw from another site
Dany, Jon Snow & Tyrion's mothers all died in childbirth.
2 of the 3 are known to be Targaeryn
Could Tyrion also be a Targaeryn?
And then the three Targaeryns will ride the three dragons into battle against the White Walkers in the battle of Fire vs Ice

 

[eceres]

The TV show is really a simplified version of the books, there is a LOT more characters and plots happening in the books. Also the TV show tends to get sloppy in the writing for dramatic effect, so they will have characters do and say things that are out of character and/or don't make sense just to set-up a cool looking scene or to rush a story-line along (this happens a LOT). The books are much, much, much better written in every single way possible. They are also massive tombs. The fact that he is a slow writer only makes things worse.

It is extremely unlikely that we will see the real ending this decade. Rutgers will get it's full B1G payout share way before that happens.

Heck at this point, I just hope for the Winds of Winter to be finish this decade!

The nightmare case is that he will die before finishing the final book. Which would be tragic in so many ways.

At least with the TV show, we will get some kind of ending, even if it is just the Hollywood version. Better than nothing, right?

If he dues the final book(s) will be written based on notes or GOT show. You would probably get final book sooner in this case actually.

 

[mdh2003]

I didn't get

The problems with him not delivering timely book updates has been going on long before the HBO series even started. The only time he delivered a timely book update was in between books 2 and 3. Books 3 and 4 had 5 years in between, and books 4 and 5 had 6 years. The next one will have at least 5+ years.

Bingo. This happened way before HBO and, I love the guy and he's brilliant, but there's only one chubby NJ guy to blame here.

 

[mdh2003]

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The nightmare case is that he will die before finishing the final book. Which would be tragic in so many ways.

Yup. See Robert Jordan.

 

[mdh2003]

The books are much, much, much better written in every single way possible...

I agree with a lot of what you said, but I feel the same way about this that GRRM does. The books are books, the show is the show. They are both excellent in their medium, but they are entirely different for obvious reasons. It is quite possible to enjoy both for what they are. The problem is that one is still stuck in one guy's head.

 

[mdh2003]

He's on record as saying he hates to outline a story in too much detail because then he feels like he has already told the story and losses interest in writing it. I think he's really struggling to write because he had to outline too much for the show. In his head, he's already told the story and now it's boring for him to write it all down.

Yeah, I can see a bit of that. But as was mentioned, these delays started between books 3 and 4, years before HBO approached him.

 

[T2Kplus10]

Yup. See Robert Jordan.

Exactly, does any think GRRM will actually complete the books? Just like RJ, GRRM got off to an amazing start and then got bogged down in a world too big with too many characters and storylines.

 

[MoobyCow]

Well Bradon Sanderson is still around to pick up the slack ;)

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

I agree with a lot of what you said, but I feel the same way about this that GRRM does. The books are books, the show is the show. They are both excellent in their medium, but they are entirely different for obvious reasons. It is quite possible to enjoy both for what they are. The problem is that one is still stuck in one guy's head.

That didn't mean to imply the the show stinks or anything. I love the show!

But the show gets into trouble when it starts creating its own plots or has to write new dialogue because the show writers are nowhere near as good as GRRM as that type of thing.

The TV is really good at visuals and action, the Dragons look great, the women are nice to look at, music is really good.

This season for example was good because it had a lot less talking and a lot more action even if it didn't always make logical sense.

Also the "teleportation" was really confusing. :)

 

[KevH]

There was a lot of speculation on this but most said it was Ned hooking up with a Targaryan during the war. Very early in the first season we saw Robert Baratheon lament Ned's sister Lyanna's passing and later comments about Targaryan being responsible. But in terms of Jon Snow's parentage this was all but forgotten (apparently only forgotten by me now that I read all the reviews of the speculation and recounting the hints)

Now just remember that Bran saw this and he is going to return to Winterfell and/or Castle Black.. and all will soon know Jon may be MORE than King of the North. And since Targayans like to "keep it in the family".. maybe Dany's in his future too. Maybe they fly off on dragons for their honeymoon.

Well, she is looking for a suitor. An unlikely pair, brought together by fate?

The return of the green fire... well predicted by many.

Arya's appearance in this episode.. as soon as Frey said .. "You're not one of my usual.." I nearly leaped out of my chair knowing it was Arya.

I saw the assassination coming but must admit I didn't think it was Arya. Wow! She should have made him beg for his life.

So much good stuff in this episode... BUT.. and it is a big BUT...

I am worried that there is not too much story left the way things are going. That is.. what oposition can there be to Dany's forces now?

Only one... The Night's King

The Lannisters are doomed.. no?

Think so. But, I think it'll have to be all hands on deck to deal with the white walkers. I just wonder what it'll take for all of Westeros to understand the threat they face and band together.

I can see it now, the attacking armies are all over King's Landing and into the Red Keep and Cercie orders the stores of Wyldfire exploded to destroy the whole city... and Jaime has to kill her too!

Is this all just leading up to a unified kingdom facing the White Walker army?

That is big.. but where's the fun stuff GoT is famous for then? The political intrigue, etc. The fun has been seeing each side thinking they know whats going on and scheming then then being "surprised". The whitewalker side has no politiics.

True. The intrigue and plot twists are what makes this show so good. Seems like the writers are in "wrap it up" mode, but maybe they'll have some tricks up their sleeves in the final two seasons.

 

[RobertG]

One recurring issue I have with the show this season is how easily coups occurred with no consequences. Ramsey stabs his father and there is no backlash from his soldiers knights etc. Same with Sand Snakes and same last night with Cersi. Cersi kills off the entire court, most of the lords and ladies of Kings Landing, blows up the church and probably kills a few thousand in the area with no backlash, from the people or those left who have some power. Compared to the first season it gets a little sloppy here.

 

[KevH]

The music and scene setting during the trial/wild fire scenes was amazingly good.

So well done.

Rickon getting killed was GoT Dawinism.

When Bolton cuts you loose and tells you to run, I can see maybe thinking running in a straight line is the fastest way to get away. But when the first arrow hits the ground a few yards away I'm running in zigzags and loops and whooping like Curly from the 3 Stooges the whole way back to Jon Snow.

LOL at that visual!

 

[KevH]

Someone mentioned a unified Westeros vs the White Walkers as a possible end game. Never thought of that before, but it's more than plausible. Whatever happens in upcoming seasons, I hope they continue the mic-drop scenes for Lady Mormont.
Anyone know when production/filming start for S7?

Re: Lady Mormont

I looked her up on IMDB and found out this is her first ever role. Impressive.

 

[RU4Real]

Re: Lady Mormont

I looked her up on IMDB and found out this is her first ever role. Impressive.

She's excellent.

 

[S.B. Crumb]

The music and scene setting during the trial/wild fire scenes was amazingly good.

What a tremendous score. I listened to it several times today.

 

[RUSK97]

One recurring issue I have with the show this season is how easily coups occurred with no consequences. Ramsey stabs his father and there is no backlash from his soldiers knights etc. Same with Sand Snakes and same last night with Cersi. Cersi kills off the entire court, most of the lords and ladies of Kings Landing, blows up the church and probably kills a few thousand in the area with no backlash, from the people or those left who have some power. Compared to the first season it gets a little sloppy here.

They rule by terror. Would you want to stand up to Cersei or Ramsey? They won't just kill you, they'll torture you slowly over the course of days and then they'll wipe out your families. If anything, this aspect is pretty rooted in reality: from Hussein to Polpot to Ceaucescu to Nero. Yes, it eventually caught up to them, but they all disappeared scores of people and I'm pretty sure those people didn't pass peacefully in their sleep.

 

[RU4Real]

They rule by terror. Would you want to stand up to Cersei or Ramsey? They won't just kill you, they'll torture you slowly over the course of days and then they'll wipe out your families. If anything, this aspect is pretty rooted in reality: from Hussein to Polpot to Ceaucescu to Nero. Yes, it eventually caught up to them, but they all disappeared scores of people and I'm pretty sure those people didn't pass peacefully in their sleep.

The Rains of Castamere.

 

[RobertG]

They rule by terror. Would you want to stand up to Cersei or Ramsey? They won't just kill you, they'll torture you slowly over the course of days and then they'll wipe out your families. If anything, this aspect is pretty rooted in reality: from Hussein to Polpot to Ceaucescu to Nero. Yes, it eventually caught up to them, but they all disappeared scores of people and I'm pretty sure those people didn't pass peacefully in their sleep.

The whole premise of the phrase "Game of Thrones" is the making of alliances, for instance in season one Ned attempts to take the Iron Throne, he builds and alliance of the gold cloaks, and Littlefinger, and with his men he thinks he can displace the king. But Littlefinger betrays him and turns the gold cloaks and along with the Lannisters they imprison Ned.

Roose Bolton would have household knights and guard captains etc who I'm sure would be loyal to him and command some number of swords, given that Ramsey was basically insane and killed their lord, these guys just sitting around and saying "whatever" seems like a stretch.

 

[T2Kplus10]

The whole premise of the phrase "Game of Thrones" is the making of alliances, for instance in season one Ned attempts to take the Iron Throne, he builds and alliance of the gold cloaks, and Littlefinger, and with his men he thinks he can displace the king. But Littlefinger betrays him and turns the gold cloaks and along with the Lannisters they imprison Ned.

Roose Bolton would have household knights and guard captains etc who I'm sure would be loyal to him and command some number of swords, given that Ramsey was basically insane and killed their lord, these guys just sitting around and saying "whatever" seems like a stretch.

Ramsey killed his dad with a few people in the room and they lied to everyone else that he was poisoned.

 

[colbert17]

Please find a way for Lady Mormont to become Queen in the end!! The biggest scene stealer in the entire series!!

 

[mdh2003]

 

[RU-AGK]

[roll][roll]

 

[RU-AGK]

Sick Lady Mormont on them. Problem solved.