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Basketball GAMEDAY THREAD: Rutgers Hoops vs. Kennesaw State

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I see this soooo many times in college.
I don’t know why guys don’t realize that 8 seconds is not a lot of time when you go slow like that.
 
Somerville needs an attitude adjustment. Keeps making faces and chirps at refs after foul calls. Needs to be addressed ASAP.
Appears so. Ball has got to come out once in awhile when it's ent in to him. Looked like Jwill was about done with his antics. BTW Jwills defense was excellent and led the run. Really need to figure out how to use him in the flow of the team.
 
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Many bad plays in the first half was too much to overcome even with the offensive spurt near the end of the game.Allowing so many offensive rebounds is unacceptable.Having Hayes on the court without a offense to get him 3 point shots is unacceptable.Williams defense and Harper offense were the only positives .Bailey playing in front of family and friends turned out to be a poor decision.Losing this game might be viewed as a Lafayette type disaster at the end of the season.No time to feel sorry with 3 games in Las Vegas starting Tuesday.
 
You act like the kid just started playing the game of basketball last year. He's getting paid millions, so he better understand the game by now.
What does him getting paid have to do with you insulting his intelligence over a common freshman mistake? Does it work that way for all of us? If we get paid, and we make a mistake, it means we’re dumbasses?

Good thing you’re perfect, I guess. Me, I’m just a regular ole mistake-making dumbass. 😁
 
Many bad plays in the first half was too much to overcome even with the offensive spurt near the end of the game.Allowing so many offensive rebounds is unacceptable.Having Hayes on the court without a offense to get him 3 point shots is unacceptable.Williams defense and Harper offense were the only positives .Bailey playing in front of family and friends turned out to be a poor decision.Losing this game might be viewed as a Lafayette type disaster at the end of the season.No time to feel sorry with 3 games in Las Vegas starting Tuesday.
It can't be as bad as Lafayette, because this was a road loss, but it'll still be a bad loss, just not a monumentally NET-killing loss.
 
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That was the biggest difference to me. He needs to start taking over this team.

get the f-ing ball out of JWill and Jmikes hands. JWill can play some for defensive purposes but should not see the ball on offense
Maybe put him in charge of substitutions too.
 
I hear you but then maybe they shouldn’t be playing a homecoming game in GA exclusively for that 18 yr old against an opponent that should never be on the schedule. That was in place of another game at the RAC.
I kind of agree but we don't really know if it was promised to him. He certainly handled it poorly let's see how he reacts to this.
 
It’s a hell of a lot easier to see what to do sitting on our sofas than when playing in the game. Especially when you’re a freshman in only your 5th college game, in a huge moment.

Young players make young player mistakes. Even hugely talented young players.

Cut the kid a little slack.
Unfortunately cannot disagree more. These kids have logged more time on the court at 17 or 18 than 95% of most. They've played alot bigger tourneys & been in bigger high quality camps than this game against a 160+ team.
He will be fine a good growing moment for him Sometimes failing is good. Think these kids learned there's more to the game than just shooting
 
I kind of agree but we don't really know if it was promised to him. He certainly handled it poorly let's see how he reacts to this.
I assumed it was promised but the broadcast made it sound like KS coach raised the idea to Pike. Smart move by him if true to get a televised game and a ton of free press. What kind of revenue did RU give up for a game at the RAC?
 
I somehow don’t feel as bad as I thought I would at this result. Something about the football game yesterday is making this feel not too bad in comparison. Is that crazy?
 
Think we should have been full court pressing at least the last 8 minutes of the game. We did not try to change the flow of the game until too lste
 
What does him getting paid have to do with you insulting his intelligence over a common freshman mistake? Does it work that way for all of us? If we get paid, and we make a mistake, it means we’re dumbasses?

Good thing you’re perfect, I guess. Me, I’m just a regular ole mistake-making dumbass. 😁
When you're the boss, of course I'm perfect 😁. When my workers make a mistake it cost me money, so yes, they hear about it. Have you ever heard a construction site? It's not for the faint of heart and even my 18 yr. old laborers can take it for a helluva lot less money.
 
Think we should have been full court pressing at least the last 8 minutes of the game. We did not try to change the flow of the game until too lste
Hard to set that up when they’re not scoring. But agreed, should have pressed after every made basket in 2nd half. KS was a turnover machine
 
I’m looking forward to Richie and mike coming on here tomorrow with a podcast telling us it’s all going to be okay
 
Unfortunately cannot disagree more. These kids have logged more time on the court at 17 or 18 than 95% of most. They've played alot bigger tourneys & been in bigger high quality camps than this game against a 160+ team.
He will be fine a good growing moment for him Sometimes failing is good. Think these kids learned there's more to the game than just shooting
I mean, even for the oldest player in the NBA, it’s still way easier for fans to say what to do than it is for the player to do it in a game.

As a fan, I won’t be calling any players or coaches dumbasses for making mistakes, not freshmen, not wealthy NBA superstars. I have a personal rule whereby I don’t call anybody anything online I wouldn’t say to their face.

But everybody should live by their own rules, be who they want to be.
 
Show up?
You think he believes all he has to do is show up?
I don’t think the entire team took this game as seriously as they needed to, and that includes Bailey. They were not prepared for that environment. KS was more aggressive, dominated on the glass, seemed to get every loose ball. Maybe show up is the wrong word, but it takes more than just talent
 
I think after the 2 quick fouls and the realization that he needed to do more than just show up, the weight of the homecoming clearly got to him
I think that AB is an off the hook talent and will make a boatload of $$$ but unless he stacks 30lbs on his body he will get eaten alive in NBA on boards he is not 7'4-7'5 like Wembeyana

Would love to see both him and DH with 2yrs at RU wishful thinking for sure but would still love to see it. Learning the college route right now...plus college guys m as ke really good quan so you never know
 
What does him getting paid have to do with you insulting his intelligence over a common freshman mistake? Does it work that way for all of us? If we get paid, and we make a mistake, it means we’re dumbasses?

Good thing you’re perfect, I guess. Me, I’m just a regular ole mistake-making dumbass. 😁
You act like he just made 1 mistake today. He was HORRIBLE and our coach just went on the record saying how these guys..Ace and Harper are so battle tested by all these big ass games and teams and places they've played in their HS careers.

And btw your dumb ass isn't listed as the #1 or #2 NBA pick so with all those accolades, cash, and perks comes some accountability.

AI e been called a dumbass plenty in my life for free.
 
I mean, even for the oldest player in the NBA, it’s still way easier for fans to say what to do than it is for the player to do it in a game.

As a fan, I won’t be calling any players or coaches dumbasses for making mistakes, not freshmen, not wealthy NBA superstars. I have a personal rule whereby I don’t call anybody anything online I wouldn’t say to their face.

But everybody should live by their own rules, be who they want to be.
Of course it us...but at the same time you have 2 FT's and about 30 seconds to know the game situation and know what you are going to do wth the ball if it comes your way. You either need to push the tempo or get it up the court with fast crisp passes not a 1/2 court cross court pass. There is ALWAYS a centerfielder in the paint sitting on that pass. My daughter loved to 1/2 ct full court passes had to tell her 8 billion times that is a high risk/low reward pass. The person catching that ball would be in no position to do anything with ball 30ft from basket...even if that pass got there the only thing Martini had was someone cutting to the basket if there was a cutter
 
When you're the boss, of course I'm perfect 😁. When my workers make a mistake it cost me money, so yes, they hear about it. Have you ever heard a construction site? It's not for the faint of heart and even my 18 yr. old laborers can take it for a helluva lot less money.
I’ve always treated everyone who works for me with respect. Even when they screw up.

Partly because, if they’re working for me, they could get jobs anywhere. Being disrespectful is a great way to lose great people.
 
I’ve always treated everyone who works for me with respect. Even when they screw up.

Partly because, if they’re working for me, they could get jobs anywhere. Being disrespectful is a great way to lose great people.
And paying them well and not working them into the ground makes them stay. I pay them well to not make mistakes, when they do, they're going to hear about it. I don't work them into the ground because the job is physical enough and production drops off if I do. My guys don't work 8 hr. days but get paid for them.
 
I think after the 2 quick fouls and the realization that he needed to do more than just show up, the weight of the homecoming clearly got to him
However we explain it away, bottom line he was horrific today. I felt like Andre Hyatt could have delivered us this type of game, 1 rebound, the huge turnover at the end, the other turnovers, poor shot selection, etc.. Obviously he’s significantly better than Andre Hyatt but that felt like a Hyatt kind of game.
 
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Q2 is 76-135 on the road. KSU is currently 162 in KenPom, so still a yucky, yucky loss but not in the same stratosphere is Lafayette.
ken pom is worthless at this point as is any ranking system, its too early, just going off of last year Kennesaw who finished 261....this game probably lands as a Q3 in the end,...i dont see Kennesaw finishing in the top 135 playing in a new tougher conference.'

but yeah its nowhere near as bad as Lafayette but this is still a bad loss
 
Until I see otherwise, I believe we'll be a bubble team. Or at the very least, in the bubble conversation.
Always where we were going to be. Growing pains on a team let by two freshman and just OK upperclassmen were always going to be a factor.
 
I don’t think the entire team took this game as seriously as they needed to, and that includes Bailey. They were not prepared for that environment. KS was more aggressive, dominated on the glass, seemed to get every loose ball. Maybe show up is the wrong word, but it takes more than just talent
I tend to agree with this however …

Can we agree this was an awful scheduling mistake to put this game 2 days before the biggest non conference tournament the schools ever played

Put this game right before Christmas or anywhere far away from 3 10x more difficult road/neutral games
 
Did any team win this weekend?

Looking ahead to Las Vegas … any chance we avoid 0-3?
 
I tend to agree with this however …

Can we agree this was an awful scheduling mistake to put this game 2 days before the biggest non conference tournament the schools ever played

Put this game right before Christmas or anywhere far away from 3 10x more difficult road/neutral games
Think they needed this game. The frosh are not used to fly in play & fly out within 24 hrs. All these camps & tourneys are 3+ days. Got to be ready to play when you get off plane
 
Pike needs to stress team rebounding. When Derkack & Hayes lead team in rebounding playing under 20 minutes a game the rest are not getting it done
 
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We will not be fine. There is no urgency to get on boards. Boarding is a 5 person stat not just 5 hole. There were a number of suspect foul calls but DH is going to have reel in his emotion on foul calls (even though he was right) he's going to get labeled a whiner by refs and they'll call more fouls on him. Foul call on him was ridiculous, foul call on Somerville was ridiculous the dude locked up his arm, lots of weak sauce fouls same on Derkack by bench. Didnt see the one on Hayes cant comment on that one
We shot 26-66 (39%) to their 28-60 (47%) and our number was way worse for most of the day.

Team is normally going to shoot better than that which will reduce some of the rebounding discrepancies.

Yes rebounding is a team job, but there’s a huge hole in the middle that’s causing a lot of the issues IMO.
 
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