Gavin Griffiths
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I agree. And if Gavin plays as you describe, he will earn a ton of minutes and will be a top scorer on the team. We don’t know if it will happen, but I like Gavin’s chances.
There is a non-zero chance he’s one and done.
Is it 90%? No it’s less than that
Is it 10%? No it’s more than that
I don’t think anyone is saying it’s 100%
I've watched a few of Gavin's HS games. Teams aim to shut him down and he'll play more within a system. Don't get me wrong, when he gets his outside shot going, look out, but against top competition, he won't consistently be able to create his own shot, at least not high percentage ones. Nothing about his defense stands out, in comparison to Mag who was a standout defender at Prolific Prep. Ace Bailey is an obvious one and done. Not likely for Gavin. Weiskamp seems like a good comparison.
Exactly - 3 years is not close to not one and done. As I said, I haven’t seen much of Gavin but his scouting report makes it seem like Wieskamp would be a good camparison.
How many one and dons last year?
It seems like you think one and done means elite defender elite shot creator and elite shooter
You’re describing a #1 pick not a typical one and done
Again I’m not saying he is 100% one and done just that it’s somewhat likely
2022 NBA draft:
22 freshman
10 sophomores
8 juniors
4 seniors
3 G League
11 foreign (6 of the last 9 picks in 2nd round)
That was out of only 58 picks because two 2nd round picks were forfeited.
Now I don’t know where those 22 freshman correlate to their Rivals rankings but I’m sure most were within the Top 30.
I saw one mock draft has GG as a mid 2nd round pick in ‘25. Projected, at least by them, as a two and done.
There’s also a non- zero chance it takes some time adjusting to the speed of the college game and he ends up with a first year stat line of 5 ppg / 2 rpg in average 15ish minutes of action. Likely? No, but.. Plenty of highly rated recruits underperform relative to their stars every year.
Remember how we all swooned over Jaden Jones as he arrived on the Banks? Then we saw him play in game competition.
Gavin looks light years better than JJ imo.
Of course.
The chance at one and done is significantly higher than that.
Pike is really good at finding guys that most other coaches underrate.
Griffiths is also one of those guys.
Correct. It’s not about underrating him. Odds are still against the 22nd rated frosh coming in and performing at a level where he’s a projected 1st rounder. Could it happen? Sure. As a fan, do we have reason to expect this outcome any more than the possibility he comes in and has a pedestrian first season adjusting to the game? I don’t think so. It can go either way. How can anyone know how the season will go until Gavin plays in a few college games?
Most kids return for a second season unless they have a legit chance of going in the first round. And very few frosh end up in this category. You really have to stand out. Meanwhile - plenty of highly rated frosh go to college and don’t end up averaging more than 20 mpg as frosh and don’t average double figures.
I like that GG already has a usable step back move. If he continues to be creative he’ll succeed at scoring in the BIG although I’m sure some teams may put their best defender on him.
I'm hoping to repeat what has been stated earlier. He is not a 1 & done player.
I will also say, he could be RUs best player in terms of scoring in more than half our games in 2023-24, which is excellent for what RU can achieve as a team.
To support the rankings, there are FOUR places the general public would go to search for a player's rankings.
ESPN 47
On3 32
247. 61st
Rivals 22
If 3 of the 4 industries have him at 30 or higher, would we say Deliquan Warren is a 1 & done if his rankings get towards the 50s??
What about Lathan Sommerville, also in 2024, who is approaching the 70 range right now??
The combination of all 4 ratings systems, have Gavin Griffiths as the 40th best recruit in 2023. Is every Top 40 recruit a 1 & done?? For reference point, Hunter Dickinson and Cliff Omoyuri were in the 40 range in 2020 and both are 4 year college players.
I hope we are not ignoring that the consensus is at #40, says multiple year player/starter in CBB, not 1 & done.
I will also say, he could be RUs best player in terms of scoring in more than half our games in 2023-24, which is excellent for what RU can achieve as a team.
To support the rankings, there are FOUR places the general public would go to search for a player's rankings.
ESPN 47
On3 32
247. 61st
Rivals 22
If 3 of the 4 industries have him at 30 or higher, would we say Deliquan Warren is a 1 & done if his rankings get towards the 50s??
What about Lathan Sommerville, also in 2024, who is approaching the 70 range right now??
The combination of all 4 ratings systems, have Gavin Griffiths as the 40th best recruit in 2023. Is every Top 40 recruit a 1 & done?? For reference point, Hunter Dickinson and Cliff Omoyuri were in the 40 range in 2020 and both are 4 year college players.
I hope we are not ignoring that the consensus is at #40, says multiple year player/starter in CBB, not 1 & done.
Others have him ranked differently - much higher numbers
There won't be 20 more impactful freshmen in college basketball
There won't be 10
I get that's not exclusively what rankings are about, but that's how he's underrated
I have seen him play live and I think we should have reasonable expectations for the player. I think he will be our leading scoring person in about half of our games ....BUT that doesn't make him a 1 & done player. What is the malfunction with not equating quality B1G starter as automatically meaning he's a 1 & done??
If the player has an industry ranking of 40, how should the entire B1G rank him, compared to all of the other Top 40-50 kids, spread out over the last 2 to 4 recruiting classes??
Do we have to show the players from 2021 to 2022 and which ones are consensus Top 40 and how they are performing across the national landscape??
We should have reasonable expectations. My expectations are extremely high for Gavin, I think he should take 200+ 3 pointers as a freshman, play 25 to 26 minutes a game, average in double figures for PPG, but that doesn't mean I think he's a 1 & done.
Does that make sense??
Milo
You have a lot of basketball knowledge.
Personally I enjoy your posts.
Just curious if Gavin is one and done will you be as active on the boards here next summer?
You have a lot of basketball knowledge.
Personally I enjoy your posts.
Just curious if Gavin is one and done will you be as active on the boards here next summer?
Ha! I wrote this before. I started following Rutgers for GG, but what really got me into it was Pike.
I truly think he's different than any other high-major coach.
Unfortunately, there isn't that much news on Pike right now. Too bad he doesn't do a weekly podcast or something and talk about interesting stuff. I'd love to hear about his asst coach search or why Hobbs left or how he feels about Cliff's spring.
Well I get the impression we should REALLY trust what you say about Gavin.
And we’ll all be rooting hard for him.
No actually - none of that makes sense.
Do you expect Gavin to compete for Big Ten Freshman of the Year?
Compete for Big Ten All-Freshman Team?
If you say "yes" to either one - then he is potentially a one and done player.
Not sure why people keep jumping through hoops.
"Gavin is going to be really good. One of the best freshman in the Big Ten. But he's no where near a one-and-done possibility and you're dumb for even thinking it."
2023: 3 of 5 All Freshman left
2022: 4 of 5 All Freshman left
2021: 0 of 5 All Freshman left (none of them really profiled as an NBA prospects at the time)
Hunter Dickinson/Zach Edey - enough said
Cubelo: 6'1" PG - not exactly a player in demand in the NBA
Keegan Murray: good size but shot 29% on 1.7 3PA per game and averaged 7ppg (seems most project Gavin to shoot much better than that). Went #4 overall after 2 years
Jaden Ivey: 6'4" PG and shot 25% from 3. Went #5 overall after 2 years
The point is - IF Gavin is as good as many (including yourself it seems) predict him to be, then yes he could play himself into draft consideration after 1 year.
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I don’t think anyone he is saying he is a likely one and done player, but there is a chance he is and it isn’t small percentage. If he does what you say, and let me add one more wrinkle, if he shoots over 40% from 3 and shows the ability to attack the basket when defenders try to close out on him, the odds of being one and done will be up substantially, because the league need shooters.
I literally put it 6 posts above you.
Exactly 22 college freshman did get drafted last year - across both rounds.
This doesn't include freshman who stayed in and got undrafted but I think we would all agree that if Gavin isn't even a draft prospect after the year - doubtful he leaves (Jaden Jones was a real outlier)
2022 NBA draft:
22 freshman
10 sophomores
8 juniors
4 seniors
3 G League
11 foreign (6 of the last 9 picks in 2nd round)
That was out of only 58 picks because two 2nd round picks were forfeited.
Now I don’t know where those 22 freshman correlate to their Rivals rankings but I’m sure most were within the Top 30.
When Pike found him, Gavin wasn’t rated 22 by anyone.
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I’m gonna guess this GG cat averages at least 10 ppg as a freshman. The question to me is whether or not he can average 15 ppg…which would be a lot considering there will be more than a few games he’ll be in single digits.
There needs to be a significant increase in scoring for Rutgers to get a NCAA bid because the defense probably will be worse with players leaving and Mags injury.
Yeah. Hope to see some “junk” defenses. Cliff can erase a lot of stuff down low which is huge.
Shurna was a sharpshooter for Northwestern…40% career (4 yrs) 3pt shooter there…5 3-pt attempts per game. Plays pro in Europe.
Fair comparison and not a slight by any means…but Gavin is a little more athletic (although his body is still thin) I think.
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I love it when guys try to find comps for Gavin
Comparisons are always funny with him
It’s going to surprise many how athletic Gavin is
Comparisons are always funny with him
Yeah I agree. Gavin would have had at least one dunk in Shurna’s highlights. Shurna is listed at 6’9” but I bet Gavin is at least as long…and Gavin already has a nice step-back move James Harden would approve of.
We’re in trouble if Gavin’s max potential is Shurna. I’m hoping more like Sam Deker from this final four Wisconsin team
Yes. Dekker has some more athleticism than Shurna for sure. But Dekker “only” shot 35% from 3 in three years at Wisconsin.
Interested in the guy they have a comparison to Corey sanders.
Those guys are more stretch 4s
Gavin is more of a 2 with some PG in him and a high volume 3 point shooter
Gavin is more of a 2 with some PG in him and a high volume 3 point shooter
Right now NBA Draft Room has Gavin going in the 2nd round in 2025, after his sophomore year. Currently expected to be much better than Shurna.
I agree that Gavin has more athleticism and has some “wiggle” to his game (it’ll be interesting to see how he looks with some more weight on him but I think he’s the textbook definition of wiry right now) but being compared to a knock down distance shooter and 2,000 point scorer in college isn’t really a bad thing.
