I simply pointed out the facts. How you wish to interpret them, well that's your choice. If you want to compare John Smith to Scott Goodale, by all means have at it.
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I simply pointed out the facts. How you wish to interpret them, well that's your choice. If you want to compare John Smith to Scott Goodale, by all means have at it.
you could just say you made it up or don't know what an algorithm is. no biggie. no judgement here.
Ask Willie, I'm sure he would be pleased to enlighten you.
Btw, I am a Promysonian. Not saying I'm a Math expert, but I did qualify for the AIME.
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Dude.. knock it off...Your starting to really sound like ur trolling...The fact is that Campy was damaged goods, and a shell of himself when he came here... Goodale offered him a shot at redemption..Not his fault that Campy didn't take it and run with it...Winston u can pin on Goodale if u really want...But I wound up hearing "i told u so" from several people that told me back in '08 that Winston peaked then... You want to rip on Goodale, when all he has done is make Rutgers relevant in the national wrestling scene!! 10 years ago this program was on the cusp of elimination!!
You're making quite a few assumptions. I have no idea what happened with Winston or Campy. Truth is, none of us do.
Put three on the podium, and all is well.
Cool out the the big words and tongue and cheek responses.This a wrestling board,not a Pintrest blog for knitting and recipe sharing .One thing my father always said "an empty barrel,makes the most noise",and apparently you think by using quick puns and jabs at a great guy like Scott Goodale,is going up your level or something.You never hear Scott talk negative about anyone.He always looks at the glass half full.That's why he gets the recruits that has.People are drawn too a man like him.Name 3 coaches anywhere in the last 3-5 years that have turned a program like RU's to what it has become.Also,compare resumes too.It's easy for someone like Cael,Dresser,and other former greats too have immediate success.Now go find a hs coach that has done the same as Scott has done.
Coach Pat Popolizio, Coach Glen Lanham, Coach Sam Henson. As for jabs and puns, I guess. Honestly, I don't know enough about the sport to really criticize Coach Goodale. But the data doesn't correlate with your claims. I apologize if I hurt your feelings.
Lanham,and Henson where both highly accomplished wrestlers. Popolizio is one.Pretty slim percentage huh? So,if you don't know enough about the sport,why do think you have right to be an arm chair guru? Lastly,my feeling only get hurt when my children tell me they "hate me" or say "they don't love me",not by some putz like yourself,who tries too look more intelligent than he/she is,but using sarcastic comebacks,backed by words you Googled in Websters Thesaurus.
Hilarious!!! Well Said. Btw, since you're kind of a know it all, what exactly did Goodale accomplish in the sport. Just saying, you know more than an Armchair "putz" like me. You ask for three coaches, I gave you three. Your turn. List his accomplishments.
What was your previous screen name?
you mean Willie at Flo? he doesn't use an algorithm. seriously, no shame in making a bad post on a message board. it happens.
also very happy for your accomplishments. congratulations.
Usually I don't entertain thisBS,because dudes like yourself get off on comebacks,but I will anyway.As far as accomplishments that Goodale has achieved,there are plenty.He has taken an obscured program,that was basically going too be cut,and in less than a decade,has turned it into a powerhouse top 10 program.Second,in Rutgers Wrestling history,this team has never seen 2 All Americans on one team at the same time.Third,he has consistently brought in bluechip recruits for the last 3 years.4th,he brought in a near impossible get,in Donny Pritzlaff as Associate Head Coach.5th,he has marketed Rutgers like a big time Iowa,Penn State,Minnesota,with nowhere near the funding.6th,he respects his athletes like no others coach in the Big 10,and although though there are others who would beg too differ,Scott has done it with all pressure he has surmounted over the last 3 years.As far me knowing more than you with wrestling..I do.I was an NCAA qualifier for Rutgers in the Sacchi days,and had a pretty spectacular hs career.
Thanks. But I wasn't referring to a specific Willie. It was more like an expression or maybe an idiom. lol.
How much more evidence do you need? In 2006 Wrestling was less than half funded and on the chopping block!! They could barely crack 100 people going to the Barn for free!! Fast forward to now where on avg..2,500 per match are plopping down $20 per match to watch this team!! In 2007 RU was lucky to have 1 guy qualify for NCAA's out of the EIWA.. Now we expect to get 7 guys to the NCAA"s out of the B1G!! We have to guy who attained AA status in their careers still on the roster, with hopefully more joining them!! Those are FACTS!! Not anyones words or made up stories!!
Relax Bro. This all started because I was merely asking for patience with regards to EJ. I used Goodale as a prime example of the power of patience. Blah, Blah, Blah. And now we're here.
Well,you're putting done Goodale on a Rutgers Wrestling forum..what where you expecting??
I get it, you had a cup of coffee at the NCAA's, and you know more than me. However, the data still doesn't correlate with your claims. Two All-Americans in 9 years. A home loss to a 1-6 Conference foe. A losing record in the B10 Conference(7-11). Zero conference wins over teams with Winning Records.
It's hard to simply accept that we should overlook these obvious short comings, because you like Goodale as a person. At some point you actually have to produce. I'm not saying, Fire Goodale. I'm simply asking for data to support your claim.
so far, you've shown that NJ supports Rutgers Wrestling. To which I agree. Ok, I'm not trying to give you angina, lol. But you called me a "Putz", an Armchair "Putz". I think an apology is in order.
How can someone bash Goodale hahaha. He is recruiting with below average facilities. The fact he lands so many elite nj wrestlers is a great accomplishment. Also getting Pritz back to nj. 2500 at home matches. He's just getting started.
Ok fair enough. But then how do you explain the two All-Americans in 9 years? I don't know the sport very well, but I think this is a valid question.
stop trolling and look up the history of Rutgers wrestling.
http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/rutu/sports/m-wrestl/auto_pdf/2014-15/prospectus/prospectus.pdf
we get it, you like attention. nice work. now please kindly stop shitting up the boards.
"I get it, you had a cup of coffee at the NCAA's, and you know more than me".You wonder why people are treating you like a dick..?? Actually 2 rounds I won,but that's ancient history,and all this is coming from some schmuck, with a cartoon Hulk figure as his avatar.Ok,you win,I loose..end of discussion.
Lol. Your criticisms make it clear that you have little to no understanding of the sport. I'm not going to waste my time explaining it to you - as you said to me, you do your own homework. If you want to believe the current staff is failing, go ahead and believe that. Just know that while you may have had some "friends" 5 years ago, you are probably the only one at this point.
PS - I'm pretty new to this sport myself, compared to most people here. When I first started following the team, I shut my mouth and paid attention.
Do you even realize that the more you post...The dumber and more clueless you sound? You both claim to know little about the sport, and then proceed to question the knowledge of a poster who not only wrestled here..But made it to NCAA's as if it means nothing!! You don't get to have it both ways!! If you really want to learn..Stop typing out your ass and listen to people who know something rather than argue with them!! If you're just on here to troll us..The get the F*** out of here!!
I will humbly accept your criticisms. I hope to learn more about the sport. But I can't let you get away with calling me a Putz. That my friends will never fly.
Meanwhile, I will gladly concede the Battle, but the Data is clearly on my side.
Onward and Upward.
Meanwhile, I will gladly concede the Battle, but the Data is clearly on my side.
Onward and Upward.
0 AA in 1st 7 years (This is where your complaint was valid)
2 AA in last two years (the 2 AA in 9 years is factually true, but not a fair argument if you are judging progress)
The progress may not be enough for some people, but I am happy with it.
Quality of coaches brought in
Frankie Edgar - Not sure of his impact
Frank Molinaro - AP received AA status
Donnie P.. - We see the fruition now,
SKWC bringing in Tylar Graff and others.
Now....we are in B10, 1 AA a year may not be enough for some people.
I think next year will be big with Theo back, AA and hopefully a healthy Gravina.
2018 a measuring stick of where we want to be (We will need multiple AA to bring in top recruits)
2 AA in last two years (the 2 AA in 9 years is factually true, but not a fair argument if you are judging progress)
The progress may not be enough for some people, but I am happy with it.
Quality of coaches brought in
Frankie Edgar - Not sure of his impact
Frank Molinaro - AP received AA status
Donnie P.. - We see the fruition now,
SKWC bringing in Tylar Graff and others.
Now....we are in B10, 1 AA a year may not be enough for some people.
I think next year will be big with Theo back, AA and hopefully a healthy Gravina.
2018 a measuring stick of where we want to be (We will need multiple AA to bring in top recruits)
You really are such a dildo.You know plenty of wrestling,you just like too paraphrase yourself and talk like some County College English professor,and pretend to be naive.
Here's an example of an algorithm as it's used in Wrestling.
http://intermatwrestle.com/articles/16076
sweet algorithm bro. let me know when you find one that ranks recruits like you mentioned earlier.
Quid Pro Quo for the Rutgers Stat Book. Btw, my poisson analysis has Rutgers with one All-American this year.
Folks
I had a cup of coffee at the past 40 NCAAs so I guess that makes me an expert? All I know is I have had a hell of a lot of fun these past 9 years with Scott. Back to the topic about MacDonald, he is doing nicely in practice that I have seen over the past month. Hope he does well at NCO?
I had a cup of coffee at the past 40 NCAAs so I guess that makes me an expert? All I know is I have had a hell of a lot of fun these past 9 years with Scott. Back to the topic about MacDonald, he is doing nicely in practice that I have seen over the past month. Hope he does well at NCO?
we never entered into a quid pro quo, but whatever, semantics.
I linked to the RU wrestling stat book because you sound woefully ignorant of the program's history and I thought you would find it helpful in remedying that deficiency. no offense intended.
here's SHP's rankings based on an Elo model.
https://setonhallpirate.wordpress.c...lar-season-dual-impact-index-pb-ncowrestling/
his algorithm has 3 RU wrestlers in the top 8, Ash, Lewis and Perrotti. However, my gut is inclined to agree with your model that only 1 Knight finds the podium. any additional placers would be gravy.
According to a certain poster on here..It doesn't matter how MacDonald does, because he won't amount to anything since he wasn't a top 20 wrestler coming out of HS.... But nonetheless..I am really interested to see how well he does in his first college wrestling action....
Bill,who was the toughest wrestler you have ever saw at the NCAA's? I mean,someone who where is such awe of their ability.I would have too say Mark Ironside,and Jon Trenge.
I know the question was directed at Bill, but I'd like to chime in because I can't resist. It sounds like two questions: toughest wrester and wrestling ability. In the toughest wrestler category I would have to say Brent Metcalf or Lincoln McIlravy. The Brands brothers would also be up there. As for wrestling ability, I was in awe of David Taylor when he tech'd Brandon Hatchett in the finals. He also pinned everyone else on his way to the finals. He was truly dominant at the 2012 NCAAs.
lj..no problem bro,you can chime in.I was thinking since Bill was a seasoned veteran of the NCAA tournament,he had some great stories.I also like David Taylor,but for some reason,he can't really put it together in freestyle.When I saw that Russian dismantle him last year( although he jumped up in weight) I realized how dominant that country is in wrestling.
I have a lot of stories to tell. Taylor was dominant and the Brands were killers. There were so many guys that I thought were unreal and Lincoln Mac was one. I thought Steve Neal the Heavy was incredible.
