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Hobbs had no plan

Those are great points, but to what and to whom are you responding? I was taking about @SHUSource , not Hobbs. letitrip likes ripping on any poster who is not part of the cult of greg, especially if they did not go to Rutgers.
Litany of mistakes? Hyperbole much?

There has been a litany of mistakes:

1. Botching initial coach search
2. Hiring As
3. Agreeing to put provision for sanctions in contract
4. Paying to get out off UCLA deal
5. “Take my guy off your list”
6. Failing to fire Ash after last season
7. Failing big time on 150 celebration
8. Having no pulse of team that by firing Ash and McNaulty it would cause our two best players to bail
9. Appointing a 2-year college coach to run an entire new offense and HC

So, yeah, I’d qualify that as a litany.
 
Hobbs said when he interviewed Ash neither one of them had ever even seen Rutgers Athletic facilities. Let that sink in. It's not Hobbs or Ash. It's the overall culture at Ru.
Exactly. It's the same knee-jerk reaction that led to hiring Flood for $700K when Schiano had just left $2.5Million on the table. The BOG and Barchi were probably high-fiving each other when Flood was hired and crowing about the money they saved.

Guessing too that the salary Ash was paid was at the top of budget range Hobbs was given to hire. That probably caused a lot of candidates to say thanks but no thanks. Hobbs said something at Ash's introductory press conference about him "actually wanting the job" or something along those lines. There probably weren't many who would take the job for the salary being offered.
 
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There has been a litany of mistakes:

1. Botching initial coach search
2. Hiring As
3. Agreeing to put provision for sanctions in contract
4. Paying to get out off UCLA deal
5. “Take my guy off your list”
6. Failing to fire Ash after last season
7. Failing big time on 150 celebration
8. Having no pulse of team that by firing Ash and McNaulty it would cause our two best players to bail
9. Appointing a 2-year college coach to run an entire new offense and HC

So, yeah, I’d qualify that as a litany.
In your opinion. And opinions vary.
 
More and more it seems to me that Hobbs was merely buying himself more time with this firing. While football was screwed up by Barchi not allowing Pernetti to hire a real head coach after Schiano left and then compounded that mistake with the Hermann hiring.. Hobbs has made things worse. And with each Ash failure Hobb's failure become more and more in focus.

The mid-season firing, introduces periods where Hobbs is doing *something*. He has between now and when he announces a hire before his judgment can be questioned (until this OP pointed out the lack of planning). And he won't be fired for his hire unless it is especially bad.. so it will be a recognizable name. If my assumptions are correct, he needs to foster a "wait and see", "benefit of the doubt" feeling when he makes his hire. That will give him another 2-3 years where he cannot be judged by football results.

So.. imo, the OP is correct.. the lack of planning behind the firing is not a good sign of things to come. Is his agent on vacation or do all the coaches his agent represents already have jobs?
 
Face it--nobody knows shyt--they only think they can read Hobbs ' mind or know what he's doing or not doing--it's dumber than dumb to think otherwise but is par for the course around here
 
Whatever, Mister Perfect. You get the picture. It's still the Rutgers culture. And Barchi has been quite happy to keep a financial noose on the salary for the HC and the assistants.
I am not buying that Barchi was the problem. I don't think he really had strong opinions about the athletic programs in general. If an AD came to him with a defensible plan and it costs money what evidence do we have that he would not spend the money or eat money in the case of firing Ash? Barchi was not the type to be proactive, but at the same time he wasn't antagonistic towards athletics, it just wasn't his priority or passion, he left it up to the AD. Which means we really needed an AD with experience running an FBS football program, which we didn't get, that is on Barchi, but not cheapness IMHO.
 
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Face it--nobody knows shyt--they only think they can read Hobbs ' mind or know what he's doing or not doing--it's dumber than dumb to think otherwise but is par for the course around here
But the odds are with the doubters... based on past performance re: football.
 
There has been a litany of mistakes:

1. Botching initial coach search
2. Hiring As
3. Agreeing to put provision for sanctions in contract
4. Paying to get out off UCLA deal
5. “Take my guy off your list”
6. Failing to fire Ash after last season
7. Failing big time on 150 celebration
8. Having no pulse of team that by firing Ash and McNaulty it would cause our two best players to bail
9. Appointing a 2-year college coach to run an entire new offense and HC

So, yeah, I’d qualify that as a litany.

10. Scheduling BC and Cuse
11. Had to pay women's swim coach after botching her firing
 
So let's see if we understand this correctly

December 2018- The epic fundraiser AD can't afford to fire Hobbs and/or is blocked by Barchi/BOG

September 2019- The AD now has the money/Barchi & BOG agree buyout is justified

Really? Is this what the Cult of Hobbs thinks is plausible?
 
There has been a litany of mistakes:

1. Botching initial coach search
2. Hiring As
3. Agreeing to put provision for sanctions in contract
4. Paying to get out off UCLA deal
5. “Take my guy off your list”
6. Failing to fire Ash after last season
7. Failing big time on 150 celebration
8. Having no pulse of team that by firing Ash and McNaulty it would cause our two best players to bail
9. Appointing a 2-year college coach to run an entire new offense and HC

So, yeah, I’d qualify that as a litany.

Scheduling Home B1G games at Yankee Stadium.
 
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I am not buying that Barchi was the problem. I don't think he really had strong opinions about the athletic programs in general. If an AD came to him with a defensible plan and it costs money what evidence do we have that he would not spend the money or eat money in the case of firing Ash? Barchi was not the type to be proactive, but at the same time he wasn't antagonistic towards athletics, it just wasn't his priority or passion, he left it up to the AD. Which means we really needed an AD with experience running an FBS football program, which we didn't get, that is on Barchi, but not cheapness IMHO.

The problem with the whole scenario with Hobbs hiring Ash is that Barchi hires Hobbs, who never ran an athletic department with a football program, and Hobbs was reasonably expected to go out and hire a head coach? While it might not be Barchi's decision, the $2 million initial salary is in keeping with what Rutgers did when Flood was hired--institutionally, Rutgers has been quite happy to hire head football coaches on the cheap. And they have gotten what they paid for in the last 2 hires.

Hobbs now has the experience, and the benefit of his huge mistake(s) in the Ash hire. Poor salary and a poor contract with no exit clause that did not require Rutgers to pay out a full salary over the remaining term of Ash's contract. As an example, Maryland only paid Durkin something like 2/3 of his remaining salary. And the extension clause for the slap on the wrist sanctions should be prominent in Hobbs' mind. We don't know what went on in the back and forth when they finally agreed to terms. But hopefully Hobbs and the BOG learned a few lessons with the last 2 hires.
 
I am not buying that Barchi was the problem. I don't think he really had strong opinions about the athletic programs in general. If an AD came to him with a defensible plan and it costs money what evidence do we have that he would not spend the money or eat money in the case of firing Ash? Barchi was not the type to be proactive, but at the same time he wasn't antagonistic towards athletics, it just wasn't his priority or passion, he left it up to the AD. Which means we really needed an AD with experience running an FBS football program, which we didn't get, that is on Barchi, but not cheapness IMHO.

Barchi absolutely is hostile to athletics. That's the problem with the crew running RU. They all think if they are good at some percentage of their responsibilities, they are good at their jobs.

Barchi thinks running a university is academics and some other gang of people he wants nothing to do with run the other stuff. He treats his employees like King Louis in "History of the World: Part 1". 1

Hobbs thinks football is some minor cog in the athletic machine.

We have a bunch of arrogant underachievers running around acting like they are masters of the universe.

When is Rutgers gonna hire a grownup?
 
Dear Lord anyone who thinks there wasn’t a “plan” needs their head examined. Not saying it was necessarily the perfect plan, don’t get me wrong, but anyone thinking we were going to have a head coach in place within two weeks is simply out of their minds.
 
So let's see if we understand this correctly

December 2018- The epic fundraiser AD can't afford to fire Hobbs and/or is blocked by Barchi/BOG

September 2019- The AD now has the money/Barchi & BOG agree buyout is justified

Really? Is this what the Cult of Hobbs thinks is plausible?
Season ticket sales. As you and I know Rutgers BOG and President have always been reactive instead of proactive. They won't act until the numbers come in. Once the tally of 6,254 or 30% of lost season tickets was account for, then and only then did the wheels start turning in their brains. The lost revenue is staggering, jeopardizing their only mission for Athletics, final Elimination of Direct Institutional Support. Their cash grab is now in serious danger, so now they'll act.
 
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There has been a litany of mistakes:

1. Botching initial coach search
2. Hiring As
3. Agreeing to put provision for sanctions in contract
4. Paying to get out off UCLA deal
5. “Take my guy off your list”
6. Failing to fire Ash after last season
7. Failing big time on 150 celebration
8. Having no pulse of team that by firing Ash and McNaulty it would cause our two best players to bail
9. Appointing a 2-year college coach to run an entire new offense and HC

So, yeah, I’d qualify that as a litany.
My biggest one.
Giving C. Vivian Stringer a big raise and golden parachute contract coming off a 6-24 record.

Were we really bidding against anyone else for a 69 yr. old coach coming off that record? Was she really in high demand, that she could threaten to leave being already one of the highest paid coaches in the game at that age?
 
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If Hobbs can’t come up with a hire that is any better, more imaginative, and forward-thinking than Greg Schiano, then he really ought to be fired. A lot of you guys think that because your school only ever hired one reasonably competent guy that he is the only one who can perform reasonably competently at that job. He isn’t, and he would be an enormously unimaginative hire. Fireable, really.

And that’s why he won’t get the job. Hobbs doesn’t want to hire him. Why would he? If Schiano succeeds, everyone knows Hobbs was forced to hire him. And to be real, he won’t do great there. And if Schiano fails, which Hobbs probably believes he will, Hobbs himself will die on a hill that was never his. I’m sure he’d much rather hire his guy and want to look prescient for hiring his guy than do swallow the “fine” Schiano pill.

If Schiano gets the job, you know Hobbs has lost the juice and is being moved by boosters (which is always a bad thing).
Get lost.
 
Dear Lord anyone who thinks there wasn’t a “plan” needs their head examined. Not saying it was necessarily the perfect plan, don’t get me wrong, but anyone thinking we were going to have a head coach in place within two weeks is simply out of their minds.
Well I hope it isn't at the end of the season. If that's the case then I'm really struggling to see the plan of firing him and the OC after game 4 when it could have been done later in the season. Because basically the worse we look(perception matters) the harder the next guys job becomes.
 
Why do you constantly feel the need to argue and insult everyone all the time? You come off as angry and miserable
OK, whatever you say, keyboard psychologist. Maybe ask Upstream if he was hurt by my post. I was simply responding to his post, which was snarky. But I wasn't offended. And your assessment couldn't be further from the truth. Have a nice day. Peace and love. :Kissing:
 
Well I hope it isn't at the end of the season. If that's the case then I'm really struggling to see the plan of firing him and the OC after game 4 when it could have been done later in the season. Because basically the worse we look(perception matters) the harder the next guys job becomes.

I think its pretty easy to see.
Confirm to everyone (recruits, fans, media) that change is coming.
Avoid the daily calls for Ash to be fired.

This post from another thread seems to sum it up pretty well:

It's about firing him so an open coaching search can begin. You promote an interim coach from the staff don't care who, no matter what this team is dead in the water and fire them all at the end of the season. You can start looking at coaches sitting on their asses, have those interviews out of the way. And start contacting agents if neccessary to see if their clients have any interests.

It's not a good idea to let a lame duck coach flap in the wind while going behind his back to find a suitable replacement. With the new signing date of Dec. 18th it's imperative to have a new coach ready to go as soon as the season ends.

https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/t...-game-and-this-time-52-0.174959/#post-4047383
 
I think its pretty easy to see.
Confirm to everyone (recruits, fans, media) that change is coming.
Avoid the daily calls for Ash to be fired.

This post from another thread seems to sum it up pretty well:



https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/t...-game-and-this-time-52-0.174959/#post-4047383
When I made that post it was before Ash's firing. My feeling at the time was it would be game 8 or after. Not after game 4. I was completely off on that assumption. However that's a full month later and requires a different plan. Now with recent events clearly that time frame has to move up. Or why not wait till game 8 or after? It still gives you a month to search. It shouldn't take two months to find a coach. If it does, then I'm not sure what the plan was.
 
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I think there is a real difference between wanting Hobbs to hire someone within the first week and actually starting the process and starting interviews with people who are available. Nothing seems to be happening.
Just because you don’t see if doesn’t mean things are happening
 
Agree 100%. Hobbs is in way over his head. Firing Ash and McNaulty was a bold refreshing move that signaled a real change. The problem — this guy have no damn plan after making the move. He managed to take a terrible situation and actually made it worse. The fact that we’re apparently using a search firm and he hasn’t even selected one yet is, well, pathetic.

I’ve said a few times the past couple of weeks. IMO, Hobbs is dead man walking. Once the new President comes in s/he will move him out and get their own AD in here.
did the Clemson AD have a plan when they made Dabo the interim HC? You don’t think he had a list and out feelings out? Why is it because he hasn’t hired a coach you think he didn’t have a plan???? Based on what? Everyone needs to chill out !
 
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Did you not see the daily threads proclaiming: Ash needs to now! No recruit will sign up for this. A message needs to sent to recruits!

What's moronic is how many people apparently wanted Ash to not be fired?

Yeah I saw them. But I mistakenly believed that before firing Ash he would have at least figured out what search firm he wants to use. And maybe just maybe have a list of people to interview. Then in the next two weeks he could be interviewing at least coaches who aren't coaching right now. Now Mr. Hobbs if you have already accomplished this and your super efficient staff hasn't leaked anything about it, then my hat's off to you. But if reports that you haven't even decided on a search firm yet are true then you deserve to set out with the ashcan.
 
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Dear Lord anyone who thinks there wasn’t a “plan” needs their head examined. Not saying it was necessarily the perfect plan, don’t get me wrong, but anyone thinking we were going to have a head coach in place within two weeks is simply out of their minds.
Chris Ash’s #1 fan again tries to shout down other points of view after being completely wrong about everything for almost 3 years.
 
The problem with the whole scenario with Hobbs hiring Ash is that Barchi hires Hobbs, who never ran an athletic department with a football program, and Hobbs was reasonably expected to go out and hire a head coach? While it might not be Barchi's decision, the $2 million initial salary is in keeping with what Rutgers did when Flood was hired--institutionally, Rutgers has been quite happy to hire head football coaches on the cheap. And they have gotten what they paid for in the last 2 hires.

Hobbs now has the experience, and the benefit of his huge mistake(s) in the Ash hire. Poor salary and a poor contract with no exit clause that did not require Rutgers to pay out a full salary over the remaining term of Ash's contract. As an example, Maryland only paid Durkin something like 2/3 of his remaining salary. And the extension clause for the slap on the wrist sanctions should be prominent in Hobbs' mind. We don't know what went on in the back and forth when they finally agreed to terms. But hopefully Hobbs and the BOG learned a few lessons with the last 2 hires.

Durkin killed a kid. Big difference.
 
Yeah I saw them. But I mistakenly believed that before firing Ash he would have at least figured out what search firm he wants to use. And maybe just maybe have a list of people to interview. Then in the next two weeks he could be interviewing at least coaches who aren't coaching right now. Now Mr. Hobbs if you have already accomplished this and your super efficient staff hasn't leaked anything about it, then my hat's off to you. But if reports that you haven't even decided on a search firm yet are true then you deserve to set out with the ashcan.

Yep, firing Ash didn't come out of the blue. Entirely foreseeable, indeed, passing possibility into probability status over the last 12 months. Hobbs, or any AD, should have been entirely prepared for this task, ready to hit the ground running as they say.
 
Hobbs’ lack of football experience is certainly showing.

But Ash was a very strong candidate who checked a lot of boxes.

Unless Hobbs knew ahead of time that Ash was going to hire a n00b OC and an uninspired DC, I have no problem with him hiring Ash.

I would go so far as to say he’d probably still be here had he hired an experienced OC and a recruiting DC from day one.
 
Rush to hire a coach to save the recruiting class = flood.

Hire the young up and coming assistant without much of a full search = Ash.

Gee maybe trying something else is a plus. I'm all for schiano but get waiting to see what else is out there. This is bigger then one class. Some people just want blood. And if Hobbs is fired...what's the "plan" after that...
 
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Rush to hire a coach to save the recruiting class = flood.

Hire the young up and coming assistant without much of a full search = Ash.

Gee maybe trying something else is a plus. I'm all for schiano but get waiting to see what else is out there. This is bigger then one class. Some people just want blood. And if Hobbs is fired...what's the "plan" after that...

NOOOOOOOOO!!!! Hobbs must RUSH the next hire and not do any research!
 
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Season ticket sales. As you and I know Rutgers BOG and President have always been reactive instead of proactive. They won't act until the numbers come in. Once the tally of 6,254 or 30% of lost season tickets was account for, then and only then did the wheels start turning in their brains. The lost revenue is staggering, jeopardizing their only mission for Athletics, final Elimination of Direct Institutional Support. Their cash grab is now in serious danger, so now they'll act.

If only, say, there was a message board of some kind, where devoted fans announced they'd be dropping season tickets en masse!

If that's the reason- and it really could be- how bad was that decision?

Still, if Hobbs is a brilliant fundraiser he shows up to the BOG meeting checks in hand.
 
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