I'm Not Kidding, Eddie Jordan should be given a 3 year extension now...

[Sideline20]

I am dedicating this thread to Alvydas Tenys.

Alvydas may have been the greatest Rutgers basketball practice player of all time. I believe he averaged 26 points per game in the pre-season exhibition games when we had them.

 

[goru7]

I believe the 3 average 21 points. His claim is the three new starters are going to add 10 points a game, which is a 31ppg average. Defensively I actually think Lewis and Grier are better players than Johnson and Doorson. In the end, if I were to take my expectations for their O and D, the yes, it's probably a wash.

Hey you can count the difference between 31-21, who would have known?
Anybody that thinks Grier is a good defensive player needs their head examined . Go to the neurologist please!!

 

[goru7]

Doorson wont score as much as Greg. Grier provided a 3 point shot so who is making up for that. Daniels as erratic as he is can still take it to the hoop better than anyone here...who is replacing that. I don't recall Freeman really having a lethal 3 point shot. We all heard how Wally Judge was going to dominate here after coming from Kansas State and he didn't. In fact the only transfer who has made a difference in the last 20 years is Hodgson

Are u serious ? Doorson will not average better than 4.5 or 4.2 points per game which are Greg's Big 10 and overall averages ? I guess time will tell but just Wow!!!!!

 

[SAE96]

Hey you can count the difference between 31-21, who would have known?
Anybody that thinks Grier is a good defensive player needs their head examined . Go to the neurologist please!!

I went back and reread his and my discussion.

Went through the posts where he undressed you regarding Kadeem.

These were his opinions and later we agreed on a couple of caveats:
Freeman-15 only if we get consistent outside scoring and he puts on about 10-15lbs of lean muscle.
Williams and Johnson combing for 14. 7 each, but I'm being generous to Johnson.
Diallo and Doorson combining for 10. Diallo should be better offensively but I'll split them at 5.

So taking into account everything breaking right for you, that's still 28 points. 1/3 less than your expectation.

In addition, I don't believe I said Grier is a great defensively player, just that I though he would be slightly better than Johnson. I'm pretty sure reading comprehension isn't my problem.

You're either a really old grouchy guy like 62 or a young no nothing my opinion is fact who probably knows Johnson. I'm betting on the latter.

You probably make one heck of a latte wherever you work. If it's working for you, then keep it up.

 

[SAE96]

I am dedicating this thread to Alvydas Tenys.

Alvydas may have been the greatest Rutgers basketball practice player of all time. I believe he averaged 26 points per game in the pre-season exhibition games when we had them.

We had another Drazen Petrovic on our hands. I also remember the Josh Moore myth. He was going to come and be our Shaquille. Did he ever play D1?

 

[goru7]

I went back and reread his and my discussion.

Went through the posts where he undressed you regarding Kadeem.

These were his opinions and later we agreed on a couple of caveats:
Freeman-15 only if we get consistent outside scoring and he puts on about 10-15lbs of lean muscle.
Williams and Johnson combing for 14. 7 each, but I'm being generous to Johnson.
Diallo and Doorson combining for 10. Diallo should be better offensively but I'll split them at 5.

So taking into account everything breaking right for you, that's still 28 points. 1/3 less than your expectation.

In addition, I don't believe I said Grier is a great defensively player, just that I though he would be slightly better than Johnson. I'm pretty sure reading comprehension isn't my problem.

You're either a really old grouchy guy like 62 or a young no nothing my opinion is fact who probably knows Johnson. I'm betting on the latter.

You probably make one heck of a latte wherever you work. If it's working for you, then keep it up.

Stop with the disrespect shit. You started with the troll comments. . Bac asked me who I was and I told him in another thread so look it up. We had an earlier civil discussion about Rutgers basketball and you even expressed thanks to the way we were giving our opinions. That is what we do on message boards. Choppin uses past history to project future results which is an excellent way to analyze but I use my eyes and people I know who I trust on people I have not seen live to discuss their potential for this team. I have seen Freeman and Doorson and they will both impact our team in a very positive manner next year. I have not seen Nigel , so I rely on people who have , to project the positive impact he will have next year. That is what I have written and you can disagree but don't say shit like troll because you are just sounding foolish.
One last point, I guarantee one thing, totally an opinion, but I will place a large sum of money on it, Nigel will be a drastic improvement over Grier defensively.

 

[RUChoppin]

Choppin, who said sweep them. I listed 9 teams that at home next year I think we gave a chance to beat . I said I hoped we could steal 1-3 road games. I said I doubt we win all 9 of the home games I listed and maybe a road game win. I said 6-8 Big 10 wins. Who said sweep?
Do you think all those great recruits you cited are going to start for the teams you mentioned or will be brought along slowly with the exception of a true stud and get a few minutes per night as freshman?

I'm discounting beating any teams but those I listed. If we're getting 6-8 wins, it's coming from that group - with perhaps 1 surprise home win elsewhere in the schedule.

You mentioned we have a shot against Maryland, Iowa, Michigan State, and Indiana earlier? Any given team on any given day and all, but those aren't games you can expect we'll be competitive in a year from now. You seem to think that everyone's losses will be devastating and our gains will be game changing. Every team loses players every year and replaces them - every team's underclassmen get better each year. Most teams' underclassmen have a year of legitimate practice going into the following season, rather than uncontested walkthroughs and drills without any defense being taught - so, we're even at a further disadvantage there. Most schools in the conference have strong 2016 classes coming in to both compete for time and provide strong practice competition for the starters, too. You're talking about three of the top ten teams in the country this year and saying that a team ranked 282nd is going to top them next year after they've finished their nonconference slate. Be serious. It's like saying "St. Francis is going to have a shot against Villanova, UNC, Louisville, and Kansas in a mid-season matchup next year - just you watch".

This season, we play 3 of the 4 worst teams in the conference twice, whether by chance or design, and only 4 of the 9 are on the road. If we get that sort of schedule next year, which is unlikely, we'd be looking at taking all the home games and 1-3 of the road games against that group to get to 6-8 wins. Or 0-2 of the road games, plus one surprise win at home against a middle-pack conference team.

A more realistic expectation would be winning 3-5 conference games and doing better in the nonconference schedule. Finish with 12-14 overall wins, and build on that going into 2017-18 with a nearly identical roster (hopefully with a couple of strong 2017 recruits to replace transfers from the bottom of the depth chart).

Now, that may or may not include a coaching change. If EJ is somehow retained for next season *and* he manages 14+ wins *and* he turns over two bottom-roster players to bring in two 4* or better recruits... he may just survive to coach the following year with a short extension. Otherwise, we bring in a new guy who can hopefully preserve the top players and open up space in the roster for a strong first year of recruiting with the 2017 class.

 

[SAE96]

Stop with the disrespect shit. You started with the troll comments. . Bac asked me who I was and I told him in another thread so look it up. We had an earlier civil discussion about Rutgers basketball and you even expressed thanks to the way we were giving our opinions. That is what we do on message boards. Choppin uses past history to project future results which is an excellent way to analyze but I use my eyes and people I know who I trust on people I have not seen live to discuss their potential for this team. I have seen Freeman and Doorson and they will both impact our team in a very positive manner next year. I have not seen Nigel , so I rely on people who have , to project the positive impact he will have next year. That is what I have written and you can disagree but don't say shit like troll because you are just sounding foolish.
One last point, I guarantee one thing, totally an opinion, but I will place a large sum of money on it, Nigel will be a drastic improvement over Grier defensively.

Just for fun, wasn't your first post addressing me as an asshat?:)

BK is gonna shut this down soon. That's too bad because I'm enjoying the back and forth.

 

[RUChoppin]

These are the teams you mentioned specifically: Pa St, Northwestern, Minnesota, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Maryland, Wisconsin, and Nebraska. Of these, I mentioned Pa St, NW, Minn, Ill, and Nebraska... Iowa and Maryland are pipe dreams... and Indiana is also a real long shot. Let's look at Wisconsin... a team with one senior who doesn't start, who will be bringing back the entire roster next year and already beat us by 22 this season. I'd file them in the same long shot range as Indiana.

 

[goru7]

I'm discounting beating any teams but those I listed. If we're getting 6-8 wins, it's coming from that group - with perhaps 1 surprise home win elsewhere in the schedule.

You mentioned we have a shot against Maryland, Iowa, Michigan State, and Indiana earlier? Any given team on any given day and all, but those aren't games you can expect we'll be competitive in a year from now. You seem to think that everyone's losses will be devastating and our gains will be game changing. Every team loses players every year and replaces them - every team's underclassmen get better each year. Most teams' underclassmen have a year of legitimate practice going into the following season, rather than uncontested walkthroughs and drills without any defense being taught - so, we're even at a further disadvantage there. Most schools in the conference have strong 2016 classes coming in to both compete for time and provide strong practice competition for the starters, too. You're talking about three of the top ten teams in the country this year and saying that a team ranked 282nd is going to top them next year after they've finished their nonconference slate. Be serious. It's like saying "St. Francis is going to have a shot against Villanova, UNC, Louisville, and Kansas in a mid-season matchup next year - just you watch".

This season, we play 3 of the 4 worst teams in the conference twice, whether by chance or design, and only 4 of the 9 are on the road. If we get that sort of schedule next year, which is unlikely, we'd be looking at taking all the home games and 1-3 of the road games against that group to get to 6-8 wins. Or 0-2 of the road games, plus one surprise win at home against a middle-pack conference team.

A more realistic expectation would be winning 3-5 conference games and doing better in the nonconference schedule. Finish with 12-14 overall wins, and build on that going into 2017-18 with a nearly identical roster (hopefully with a couple of strong 2017 recruits to replace transfers from the bottom of the depth chart).

Now, that may or may not include a coaching change. If EJ is somehow retained for next season *and* he manages 14+ wins *and* he turns over two bottom-roster players to bring in two 4* or better recruits... he may just survive to coach the following year with a short extension. Otherwise, we bring in a new guy who can hopefully preserve the top players and open up space in the roster for a strong first year of recruiting with the 2017 class.

You think Iowa and Maryland and Indiana will be the same. It makes more sense to me that they will be worse when you consider they are losing most of their starters who are either seniors or going to the NBA. You think the bench players , highly starred either 3or 4 stars, will automatically pick up where those starters left off. I saw no one on Iowa that fits that bill , no one on Maryland that does either. We played Iowa tough and if Jok and Uthoff do not have dominant games we might have won. I see no one on Ipwa that will do that . Granted my opinion but that is what I see.
Michigan State is always good to great because they have Izzo , one of the best around. But losing Valentine and to a lesser extent Costello will drop them down a notch.

 

[APKnight]

Hopefully Sanders doesn't transfer. If he does, forget about it.

 

[B1GNJHoops]

Are u serious ? Doorson will not average better than 4.5 or 4.2 points per game which are Greg's Big 10 and overall averages ? I guess time will tell but just Wow!!!!!

You're overrating Doorson.

 

[SAE96]

You're overrating Doorson.

Don't waste your breath.

It's like the scene from Idiocracy, where he's trying to explain why water and not Brondo, the thirst mutilator, should be used for watering crops.

 

[bac2therac]

Are u serious ? Doorson will not average better than 4.5 or 4.2 points per game which are Greg's Big 10 and overall averages ? I guess time will tell but just Wow!!!!!

honestly no he will not. Our center spot will not be a strength at all and I think it will be utilized for defense and rebounding only. There are legit centers in this league that will make sure of that. He certainly does not have the capability of Lewis to hit an open jumper.Doorson will get a missed shot and make a dunk but that's all I am expecting

 

[bac2therac]

You think Iowa and Maryland and Indiana will be the same. It makes more sense to me that they will be worse when you consider they are losing most of their starters who are either seniors or going to the NBA. You think the bench players , highly starred either 3or 4 stars, will automatically pick up where those starters left off. I saw no one on Iowa that fits that bill , no one on Maryland that does either. We played Iowa tough and if Jok and Uthoff do not have dominant games we might have won. I see no one on Ipwa that will do that . Granted my opinion but that is what I see.
Michigan State is always good to great because they have Izzo , one of the best around. But losing Valentine and to a lesser extent Costello will drop them down a notch.

reality check...schools like Indiana and Maryland reload and don't miss a beat. Its called player development, coaching and recruiting. You overestimate the losses. Ohio State suffered losses this year as did Wisconsin but both are still on the bubble an both clocked RU easily..and OSU did it by embarrassing RU in just one half of play. Indiana and Maryland will not be even falling as far as those two schools. Indiana has Blackmun coming back. Iowa wasn't suppose to be a contender this year but look what happen, players stepped up with great coaching by McCaffery. You are fooling yourself if you thought RU had a shot at Iowa....if if if my aunt had balls. Iowa was never in danger of losing and they sleptwalked through that game. Michigan State will be fine, we have zero chance of beating them. In the meantime all the bottom teams will also be improving Minnesota, Penn State, Northwestern, Illinois...Rutgers doesn't exist in a bubble

 

[bac2therac]

A case could be made for Jonathan Mitchell, too.

you are right...and yet that team was still sub 500 even though he was the best player....but a good point about J Mitch was that he wasn't that good his first season compared to his 2nd, yet we are suppose to believe Johnson double his numbers he put up at Kansas State right away

 

[cyrock3]

The OP might be the best written post on this board.

 

[RUChoppin]

You think Iowa and Maryland and Indiana will be the same. It makes more sense to me that they will be worse when you consider they are losing most of their starters who are either seniors or going to the NBA. You think the bench players , highly starred either 3or 4 stars, will automatically pick up where those starters left off. I saw no one on Iowa that fits that bill , no one on Maryland that does either. We played Iowa tough and if Jok and Uthoff do not have dominant games we might have won. I see no one on Ipwa that will do that . Granted my opinion but that is what I see.
Michigan State is always good to great because they have Izzo , one of the best around. But losing Valentine and to a lesser extent Costello will drop them down a notch.

Who said anything about the same? Iowa and Maryland are Top 10 programs right now... being "worse" may mean being Top 30 programs... being significantly worse may mean being Top 60-70 programs. That's still well out of our league for next year.

Two examples of top conference teams that dealt with massive departures from last year to this year:
Wisconsin - In 2015, they were 3rd in kenpom's rankings. 5 of their top 7 scorers left after last season... they plummeted 48 positions to 51st in kenpom this season (right now), and beat us by 22.
Ohio State - In 2015, they were 21st in kenpom's rankings. Between last season and this season, they lost 7 players including 4 of their top 6 scorers. They plummeted 59 positions to 80th in kenpom right now... and beat us by 26.

You say things like "if Jok and Uthoff don't have dominant games we might have won"... and ignore the fact that Jok had a dominant game because he was playing our perimeter defense (230th nationally in 3P% defense) and Uthoff didn't even have a dominant game... he went for 20 pts and 8 rbs in 34 min vs his average of 18.4 pts and 6.4 rbs in 30 min. That's not a "dominant game" for Uthoff... it's just called a "Thursday".

 

[Drsupremo]

The OP might be the best written post on this board.

I agree!

 

[SAE96]

I swore I never would, but I feel like I got suckered into an old school Ncaaballs thread.

 

[B1GNJHoops]

Ultimately our opinions don't matter. It's up to Pat Hobbs and what he sees with the current program.

The won-loss column, the attendance, the recruits, current players, assistants, Jordan's results the last 3 seasons, and the product on the floor. Is there hope? Buzz? Excitement?

 

[goru7]

reality check...schools like Indiana and Maryland reload and don't miss a beat. Its called player development, coaching and recruiting. You overestimate the losses. Ohio State suffered losses this year as did Wisconsin but both are still on the bubble an both clocked RU easily..and OSU did it by embarrassing RU in just one half of play. Indiana and Maryland will not be even falling as far as those two schools. Indiana has Blackmun coming back. Iowa wasn't suppose to be a contender this year but look what happen, players stepped up with great coaching by McCaffery. You are fooling yourself if you thought RU had a shot at Iowa....if if if my aunt had balls. Iowa was never in danger of losing and they sleptwalked through that game. Michigan State will be fine, we have zero chance of beating them. In the meantime all the bottom teams will also be improving Minnesota, Penn State, Northwestern, Illinois...Rutgers doesn't exist in a bubble

You do not like reality when put right in front of your nose

 

[goru7]

honestly no he will not. Our center spot will not be a strength at all and I think it will be utilized for defense and rebounding only. There are legit centers in this league that will make sure of that. He certainly does not have the capability of Lewis to hit an open jumper.Doorson will get a missed shot and make a dunk but that's all I am expecting

8-10 just watch!!!

 

[Mr Magoo]

We are replacing Lewis, Grier, and Daniels, with Freeman, Johnson, Doorson, Diallo and the newcomers....provided there are no defections.

If Jordan is still here, I don't expect coaching to improve at all.

That's certainly still an improvement based on personnel but I think we go from 0-1 wins in conference to 4-5 at best, again provided no defections.

The 40-50 point blowouts become 20+ point blowouts and we beat some of the bottom league teams. I expect 10-12 total wins next year.

 

[goru7]

Who said anything about the same? Iowa and Maryland are Top 10 programs right now... being "worse" may mean being Top 30 programs... being significantly worse may mean being Top 60-70 programs. That's still well out of our league for next year.

Two examples of top conference teams that dealt with massive departures from last year to this year:
Wisconsin - In 2015, they were 3rd in kenpom's rankings. 5 of their top 7 scorers left after last season... they plummeted 48 positions to 51st in kenpom this season (right now), and beat us by 22.
Ohio State - In 2015, they were 21st in kenpom's rankings. Between last season and this season, they lost 7 players including 4 of their top 6 scorers. They plummeted 59 positions to 80th in kenpom right now... and beat us by 26.

You say things like "if Jok and Uthoff don't have dominant games we might have won"... and ignore the fact that Jok had a dominant game because he was playing our perimeter defense (230th nationally in 3P% defense) and Uthoff didn't even have a dominant game... he went for 20 pts and 8 rbs in 34 min vs his average of 18.4 pts and 6.4 rbs in 30 min. That's not a "dominant game" for Uthoff... it's just called a "Thursday".

Try again Choppin , you just pointed to Wisconsin and Ohio state dropping 48 and 59 positions in Kenpon , so they got a lot worse going from 3-51 and from 21-80. Right just what I am saying is going to happen to Iowa, Maryland and Indiana if their guys bolt to the NBA . They will get worse. We lost to those worse squads with our depleted rosters. The Wisconsin game was close until Greg Lewis knocked out Laurent and killed what depth we had. We were leading Ohio State at half with this depleted roster without Laurent . You want to cite past facts and I am giving you up to date facts. Just because you do not want to see them I cannot help you there . Our roster next year will be be able to compete with these worse squads . Is there anyone on Wisconsin that scares you now. Or Ohio State now or on the bench at Maryland now? No one I can see that tells me we have no chance.
One last thing , if Jok doesn't have a career night and Uthoff doesn't score 20 , that game would have been a last possession game. That was one of the most complete games this depleted roster played and the hardest it competes all year.

 

[goru7]

I swore I never would, but I feel like I got suckered into an old school Ncaaballs thread.

You are not capable of having your brain think this long and then when shown your statements are false you cannot handle it. Check out and take a rest.

 

[bac2therac]

Try again Choppin , you just pointed to Wisconsin and Ohio state dropping 48 and 59 positions in Kenpon , so they got a lot worse going from 3-51 and from 21-80. Right just what I am saying is going to happen to Iowa, Maryland and Indiana if their guys bolt to the NBA . They will get worse. We lost to those worse squads with our depleted rosters. The Wisconsin game was close until Greg Lewis knocked out Laurent and killed what depth we had. We were leading Ohio State at half with this depleted roster without Laurent . You want to cite past facts and I am giving you up to date facts. Just because you do not want to see them I cannot help you there . Our roster next year will be be able to compete with these worse squads . Is there anyone on Wisconsin that scares you now. Or Ohio State now or on the bench at Maryland now? No one I can see that tells me we have no chance.
One last thing , if Jok doesn't have a career night and Uthoff doesn't score 20 , that game would have been a last possession game. That was one of the most complete games this depleted roster played and the hardest it competes all year.

lmfao..keep dreaming, Rutgers was never beaten Iowa...great effort but Iowa was in control all game

 

[SAE96]

You are not capable of having your brain think this long and then when shown your statements are false you cannot handle it. Check out and take a rest.

Ncaaballs was definitely smarter. You're like the Gobots to his Transformors or the car Voltron to his Lions. You're like a poor man's Balls.

 

[goru7]

lmfao..keep dreaming, Rutgers was never beaten Iowa...great effort but Iowa was in control all game

Yeah that is why Fran played his starters the whole game to the final minute. I swear you need to have your eyes checked

 

[goru7]

Ncaaballs was definitely smarter. You're like the Gobots to his Transformors or the car Voltron to his Lions. You're like a poor man's Balls.

Keep it classy and respectful young lad!

 

[bac2therac]

Yeah that is why Fran played his starters the whole game to the final minute. I swear you need to have your eyes checked

maybe because he is playing for something

 

[RUChoppin]

Try again Choppin , you just pointed to Wisconsin and Ohio state dropping 48 and 59 positions in Kenpon , so they got a lot worse going from 3-51 and from 21-59. Right just what I am saying is going to happen to Iowa, Maryland and Indiana if their guys bolt to the NBA . They will get worse. We lost to those worse squads with our depleted rosters. The Wisconsin game was close until Greg Lewis knocked out Laurent and killed what depth we had. We were leading Ohio State at half with this depleted roster without Laurent . You want to cite past facts and I am giving you up to date facts. Just because you do not want to see them I cannot help you there . Our roster next year will be be able to compete with these worse squads . Is there anyone on Wisconsin that scares you now. Or Ohio State now or on the bench at Maryland now? No one I can see that tells me we have no chance.
One last thing , if Jok doesn't have a career night and Uthoff doesn't score 20 , that game would have been a last possession game. That was one of the most complete games this depleted roster played and the hardest it competes all year.

You seem to have selective reading problems.

Top ten programs getting "a lot worse" still will have have them well above where Rutgers will be next year. We're not going to be a Top 60 program next year - we weren't even a Top 60 program when were the NIT runner up. Since 2002, we've had just three seasons where we've even been a Top 90 program - and it's unlikely next season will be the fourth.

Iowa? We tied once and never led, and with 10 minutes left the game was out of hand. If Uthoff doesn't score 20? You realize, he was just playing almost exactly to his per-minute average, right? That was not a great game by him, but a pedestrian one. We let Jok run wild outside, because that's what we let everyone do - we are 284th in FG% defense this year, but were 196th last year and 232nd the year before that.

Wisconsin? We were tied at 12-12, and didn't tie or lead the rest of the way. We were down 12 after Laurent picked up his 3rd foul with 9 min left in the game, and it was not that close again.

And I'm not saying we'll have "no chance" against these teams - as I said, any given team on any given day - but to expect a win (or really, just a realistic chance to win) going in against these programs is pretty wild-eyed in its optimism given where we'll be next year.

We'll be better next year - no doubt. But miracles will not be performed, and Corey Sanders won't walk on water or turn water into wine. You're overestimating the value differential between Lewis/Daniels/Grier and Freeman/Doorson/Johnson/Diallo... and expecting a coach with a history of below average defenses, who you yourself has said showed failures in player development, to "coach 'em up" on the defensive side.

As others have said, I admire your optimism... but it's a little like people planning what they were going to do with their Powerball winnings.

 

[KnightDC]

cut through all the BS here about ppg and w-l probability etc. Look at the roster. it is incredibly young. There are 3 upperclassmen (juniors and seniors in terms of eligibility). That means - absent attrition (which is hard to predict but almost guaranteed to occur somewhere on the roster) everyone on the roster will be here for TWO more seasons other than Grier, Daniels and Lewis. The question on extending Eddie is whether Hobbs thinks he deserves a chance to develop this roster for two more seasons.

Otherwise just blow it up and start a(nother) multi year rebuilding process.

Its not a cut and dried decision regardless of the putrid W-l record. There is talent here and the question is do you (and Pat Hobbs) think this roster can develop into a reasonably competitive program.

 

[B1GNJHoops]

cut through all the BS here about ppg and w-l probability etc. Look at the roster. it is incredibly young. There are 3 upperclassmen (juniors and seniors in terms of eligibility). That means - absent attrition (which is hard to predict but almost guaranteed to occur somewhere on the roster) everyone on the roster will be here for TWO more seasons other than Grier, Daniels and Lewis. The question on extending Eddie is whether Hobbs thinks he deserves a chance to develop this roster for two more seasons.

Otherwise just blow it up and start a(nother) multi year rebuilding process.

Its not a cut and dried decision regardless of the putrid W-l record. There is talent here and the question is do you (and Pat Hobbs) think this roster can develop into a reasonably competitive program.

The 2014 class has been blown out by Seton Hall and George Washington in consecutive years. Seton Hall with mostly sophomores this season.

That same core group lost to St Johns which is winless in the Big East and lost to Incarnate Word and Wagner at home as well as Fordham.

I'm skeptical.

 

[ScarletRunner]

Fact: In my mind, I knew what Oh boy meant and still do.

It's hard to put into words how weird it has become around here.

 

[goru7]

maybe because he is playing for something

Wrong ! Try again !

 

[willisneverrana43]

It's hard to put into words how weird it has become around here.

Fact: I know someone who believes it's gotten weird around here. He's been around here for a long time and interacted over 1500 times with others around here. So it's weird around here. Fact.

 

[ruman]

will be hard for Freeman to put up these numbers when he's off the team

 

[goru7]

Yeah but there is not a lot of difference between top 60 and 120 as compared to top 30 and 120. I am not saying we are going to get to 120 but I am saying that assuming everyone we have discussed returns and is healthy , we will be a much more competitive team that can get to 6-8 wins in the Big 10. No one said we were going to contend for the top of the league !! We will be moving in the right direction.

You seem to have selective reading problems.

Top ten programs getting "a lot worse" still will have have them well above where Rutgers will be next year. We're not going to be a Top 60 program next year - we weren't even a Top 60 program when were the NIT runner up. Since 2002, we've had just three seasons where we've even been a Top 90 program - and it's unlikely next season will be the fourth.

Iowa? We tied once and never led, and with 10 minutes left the game was out of hand. If Uthoff doesn't score 20? You realize, he was just playing almost exactly to his per-minute average, right? That was not a great game by him, but a pedestrian one. We let Jok run wild outside, because that's what we let everyone do - we are 284th in FG% defense this year, but were 196th last year and 232nd the year before that.

Wisconsin? We were tied at 12-12, and didn't tie or lead the rest of the way. We were down 12 after Laurent picked up his 3rd foul with 9 min left in the game, and it was not that close again.

And I'm not saying we'll have "no chance" against these teams - as I said, any given team on any given day - but to expect a win (or really, just a realistic chance to win) going in against these programs is pretty wild-eyed in its optimism given where we'll be next year.

We'll be better next year - no doubt. But miracles will not be performed, and Corey Sanders won't walk on water or turn water into wine. You're overestimating the value differential between Lewis/Daniels/Grier and Freeman/Doorson/Johnson/Diallo... and expecting a coach with a history of below average defenses, who you yourself has said showed failures in player development, to "coach 'em up" on the defensive side.

As others have said, I admire your optimism... but it's a little like people planning what they were going to do with their Powerball winnings.

You seem to have selective reading problems.

Top ten programs getting "a lot worse" still will have have them well above where Rutgers will be next year. We're not going to be a Top 60 program next year - we weren't even a Top 60 program when were the NIT runner up. Since 2002, we've had just three seasons where we've even been a Top 90 program - and it's unlikely next season will be the fourth.

Iowa? We tied once and never led, and with 10 minutes left the game was out of hand. If Uthoff doesn't score 20? You realize, he was just playing almost exactly to his per-minute average, right? That was not a great game by him, but a pedestrian one. We let Jok run wild outside, because that's what we let everyone do - we are 284th in FG% defense this year, but were 196th last year and 232nd the year before that.

Wisconsin? We were tied at 12-12, and didn't tie or lead the rest of the way. We were down 12 after Laurent picked up his 3rd foul with 9 min left in the game, and it was not that close again.

And I'm not saying we'll have "no chance" against these teams - as I said, any given team on any given day - but to expect a win (or really, just a realistic chance to win) going in against these programs is pretty wild-eyed in its optimism given where we'll be next year.

We'll be better next year - no doubt. But miracles will not be performed, and Corey Sanders won't walk on water or turn water into wine. You're overestimating the value differential between Lewis/Daniels/Grier and Freeman/Doorson/Johnson/Diallo... and expecting a coach with a history of below average defenses, who you yourself has said showed failures in player development, to "coach 'em up" on the defensive side.

As others have said, I admire your optimism... but it's a little like people planning what they were going to do with their Powerball winnings.

 

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OK he wins 6 Big Ten games----overall record of 13-17.

Now what ?