In Defense of Flood

[Nosoj]

What does pay have to do with competence? Also he will reportedly be paid 1 million this year. The University deserves a great deal of competence for that not insubstantial sum of money. We are not getting it now.

In a vacuum, yes that's a substantial amount of money and I'm sure just about everyone here would love to make that much. However, when your coach is the 67th highest paid person in his field of 128, you should probably expect 67th place out of 128 type results.

 

[RUfromNJ]

2-22 vs winning teams. No defending that.

 

[lighty]

People can point out we are getting blown out by good teams all they want, the reality is these are the teams in our conference. Are you ready to accept that RU will have 3-5 blow out losses each year?

Or do you think the team should be able to compete with teams in their division?

 

[ru75]

Army is the WTF game this year...or maybe WTH, as expectations are low.

 

[RUforlife]

People can point out we are getting blown out by good teams all they want, the reality is these are the teams in our conference. Are you ready to accept that RU will have 3-5 blow out losses each year?

Or do you think the team should be able to compete with teams in their division?

Yes, but those programs and administrations are serious about winning, are we?

 

[RU84]

At this time, the budget prohibits a hire that can attract high caliber talent

I'm not speaking to Alabama, Ohio St talent, I'm saying average Big 10 talent. With our budget you can also find good coaches who can get the most out of the talent they have: see Temple, Houston, Memphis, Duke, Northwestern, etc. It can be done with our budget. Our AD's and administrators need to be able to identify the necessary talent. Flood was simply a stopgap solution to fill an emergency need. He had no resume to suggest he could be a successful D1 coach. Time to find a longer term solution.

 

[DHajekRC84]

Will we have 40k for Nebraska ?

there's a chance..Rutgers is still selling 2015 Football Season Tickets on the front page of Comcast... [roll]

Talk about incompetence.. what moron is going to click on that. Should have switched that to single game tix weeks ago..

 

[RURM85]

I'm not speaking to Alabama, Ohio St talent, I'm saying average Big 10 talent. With our budget you can also find good coaches who can get the most out of the talent they have: see Temple, Houston, Memphis, Duke, Northwestern, etc. It can be done with our budget. Our AD's and administrators need to be able to identify the necessary talent. Flood was simply a stopgap solution to fill an emergency need. He had no resume to suggest he could be a successful D1 coach. Time to find a longer term solution.

You're competing against Meyer, Harbaugh and Dantonio. You're not finding coaches of that caliber with the amount of money that Rutgers will spend on a Head Coach. The programs you reference are having good seasons this year but does not make their Head Coaches and coaching staffs qualified to have consistent winning seasons against the likes of Michigan, Ohio State, Michigan State, Penn State, Wisconsin, Nebraska and so on. With the money that Rutgers is willing to spend on a coaching staff we're looking at a Head Coach who will be training on the job. You'll be booing him after a few years, as well.

Please stop with Temple Memphis, Houston. These programs and coaching staffs have not won consistently and are having one good year after inconsistent years. They also don't have schedules such as what we're facing in the B1G. Doesn't make these HCs qualified to consistently beat Harbaugh, Meyer and Dantonio.

Fitzgerald went 27-25 his first 4 years at NW. Good for NW sticking with him. He makes $2.2M per year and was offered an estimated $3M/year by Michigan. Rutgers isn't going to spend that type of money at this time.

 

[scarletbergen]

Hermann must go first!

We need a new AD first. Our AD is not competent and should not be involved in hiring our head coach. Who is going to do it... Barchi???? Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!!!!!

 

[RU84]

Please stop with Temple Memphis, Houston. These programs and coaching staffs have not won consistently and are having one good year after inconsistent years. They also don't have schedules such as what we're facing in the B1G. Doesn't make these HCs qualified to consistently beat Harbaugh, Meyer and Dantonio.

These programs have made steady strides to get where they are and the fact of the matter is that they coach up the talent they have. Boise St has always recruited 3 star talent that plays as 5 stars on game day. Flood would still be mediocre in the AAC, forget Mich, Ohio St etc. I'm not asking us to beat these schools consistently, just cover a 24 or spread for God's sake! For what Flood and his staff make you can hire an up and coming mid major coach or P5 coordinator. Yes he won't have a lot of D1 wins under his belt but his resume will look a heck of a lot better than Floods was when he was hired. Also savvy AD's can spot the qualities that separate a coach that has a higher probability of success, but that's another issue entirely. The salary issue is a cop out. Plenty of other schools do more with less.

 

[ruman]

3-4 years? On this board? I give it 2 years at max. Some posters were calling for Flood's head on a platter after the 2012 season.

He was brought in cheap to keep the class together. We were not in the Big Ten also. When it became obvious in 2013 that he was in over his head, he needed to go.

 

[RURM85]

These programs have made steady strides to get where they are and the fact of the matter is that they coach up the talent they have. Boise St has always recruited 3 star talent that plays as 5 stars on game day. Flood would still be mediocre in the AAC, forget Mich, Ohio St etc. I'm not asking us to beat these schools consistently, just cover a 24 or spread for God's sake! For what Flood and his staff make you can hire an up and coming mid major coach or P5 coordinator. Yes he won't have a lot of D1 wins under his belt but his resume will look a heck of a lot better than Floods was when he was hired. Also savvy AD's can spot the qualities that separate a coach that has a higher probability of success, but that's another issue entirely. The salary issue is a cop out. Plenty of other schools do more with less.

We would have been one of the top teams in the AAC last year if we would have stayed, based on results against Tulane and Navy.

Let's take Temple and Rhule as an example. Temple has an excellent team this year and would beat Rutgers but let's not get crazy and anoint him the next great coach. Rhule is 16-17 in 3 years at Temple including this year. This year he has beaten the likes of UMass, Charlotte, Tulane, UCF, East Carolina and SMU. These teams have combined for a total of 10 wins with 40% of the wins coming from East Carolina. This distinguished group is averaging less than 2 wins per team to this point. His other 2 wins came against an average 5-4 Cincy team and of course the first week win against Penn State which is his crowning achievement, with Barkley getting a total of 1 carry. You want to match Meyer, Harbaugh, Dantonio achievements with his?

If Rutgers hires a up and coming mid-major coach, such as a Beckman and Hazzell, or a P5 Coordinator, such as Wilson, you'll be calling for his head within a few years. Right back where you started.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

But we went 8-5 our first year in the B1G! ANDDD our bowl win was over a team that's now 8-1. That definitely trumps the lack of adjustments, poor game plans, and everything you mentioned!

LOL!!

 

[letterman]

The most important hire will occur in 2016 when barchi steps down as planned. Barchi was great at organizing the new medical complex. He has zero interest in athletics and has publicly stated that he will not incur debt to subsidize sports. We will need 6 million dollars to get a top quality head coach and coordinators. The new president will have to want this or nothing good will happen to the football program. You can fire flood,but if you don't have the money to hire a successful head coach and top notch staff,you accomplish nothing.

 

[GSGS]

To OP: Flood and "defense" should not be used in the same sentence.

 

[RUaMoose]

No doubt this is a case of getting what you pay for. RU tried to catch lightning in a bottle with a no name mediocre at best OL coach.It was a failed experiment.

 

[madscientistRU09]

We would have been one of the top teams in the AAC last year if we would have stayed, based on results against Tulane and Navy.

Yea, the AAC is soo beneath us, I remember the days we use to blow out our competition week in and week out, thank god we are finally playing amongst our peers.

There is nothing in our history to indicate we would be dominating the AAC. We would be getting crushed this year (and last). Half the teams play a high flying spread offense which we could never defend. Two years ago we went 6-6, last year we were lucky to go 8-5 due to some very bad teams on our scheduled. Spare me the crap about our shared "title", when you look at the caliber of our wins and schedule, there is nothing to indicate we were doing well. We would be getting crushed this year in the AAC if we had to play houston (who blew us out few years ago), temple, memphis.

 

[brgossRU90]

25 years ago cadillacs were stodgy, had an average customer age around 70 and the brand was faced with a dilemma: keep producing stodgy boxes and keep the customer base happy but fade as they literally died off OR build different cars to take a chance at getting new, younger customers while risking losing their customer base. They chose the former, predictably faded and cadillac is now an afterthought in luxury vehicles with less than 10% of the market, 5th place. Sticking with kyle flood will lead to certain continued decline in the program. Take a chance on another coach or become extinct.

 

[RU-05]

I'm all for giving Flood the boot. But OP makes a valid point.

 

[rufeelinit]

Needless to say we are coming to a critical juncture. I don't how they could possibly retain flood. If the financial constraints are as significant as some suggest then they (not even sure who they are) need to find the right guy who truly believes and sells a vision that he can get it done regardless. Sound familiar?

 

[RURM85]

Yea, the AAC is soo beneath us, I remember the days we use to blow out our competition week in and week out, thank god we are finally playing amongst our peers.

There is nothing in our history to indicate we would be dominating the AAC. We would be getting crushed this year (and last). Half the teams play a high flying spread offense which we could never defend. Two years ago we went 6-6, last year we were lucky to go 8-5 due to some very bad teams on our scheduled. Spare me the crap about our shared "title", when you look at the caliber of our wins and schedule, there is nothing to indicate we were doing well. We would be getting crushed this year in the AAC if we had to play houston (who blew us out few years ago), temple, memphis.

What a load of crap you wrote.

 

[RU31trap]

The most important hire will occur in 2016 when barchi steps down as planned. Barchi was great at organizing the new medical complex. He has zero interest in athletics and has publicly stated that he will not incur debt to subsidize sports. We will need 6 million dollars to get a top quality head coach and coordinators. The new president will have to want this or nothing good will happen to the football program. You can fire flood,but if you don't have the money to hire a successful head coach and top notch staff,you accomplish nothing.

Exactly!! Finally someone with inside information. Great post Letterman. Truth is no one will be here by 2017 because a well orchestrated State funded internal audit (pushed hard by democrats) of the medical school merger is anticipated. Right now the school has a certain degree of cover from the Governor.

Football may only be 1% of the schools budget. But the remaining 95% is being stretched unbelievably thin. More than ever in Rutgers history is the President and AD asking donors for money?

 

[madscientistRU09]

What a load of crap you wrote.

Yea your right, AAC sucks ass, we would destroy those teams. Those teams are so lucky they don't have to play against Flood's power house teams.

 

[JPhoboken]

The most important hire will occur in 2016 when barchi steps down as planned. Barchi was great at organizing the new medical complex. He has zero interest in athletics and has publicly stated that he will not incur debt to subsidize sports. We will need 6 million dollars to get a top quality head coach and coordinators. The new president will have to want this or nothing good will happen to the football program. You can fire flood,but if you don't have the money to hire a successful head coach and top notch staff,you accomplish nothing.

Yet we have prominent posters on this board who claim Barchi is doing the right thing and shouldn't care about athletics. Go figure.

Even though.......... We accepted membership to a conference whose charter says members will strive for excellence in both academics and Athletics.

 

[RUseaweed]

Doesn't it seem like just yesterday people were calling for Flood to be paid a higher salary?

http://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/i...kyle_flood_a_competitive_contract_politi.html

That right there should show how well thought out and researched Politi is.

 

[RU-ROCS]

The most important hire will occur in 2016 when barchi steps down as planned. Barchi was great at organizing the new medical complex. He has zero interest in athletics and has publicly stated that he will not incur debt to subsidize sports. We will need 6 million dollars to get a top quality head coach and coordinators. The new president will have to want this or nothing good will happen to the football program. You can fire flood,but if you don't have the money to hire a successful head coach and top notch staff,you accomplish nothing.

Good post. I do not have great faith in RU's leadership in picking the new president. It is imperative that he/she comes from a P5 school with a reputation for excellence in both academics and athletics. In the past, RU has made some dubious hires - remember Fran Lawrence?? Let's hope now that we're in the Big 10, the RU Board gets it right.