ND is going to either join or not…they could give two craps about Stanford..except the fact that Stanford is superior to them academically and makes ND look even better by affiliation. ND is about two things…1. Themselves…2.Money…
Kansas to the Big Ten? I'd prefer Texas A&M and Missouri.
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They have the fans, the alumni, the money, the academics, the athletic tradition. You can say they’re the ND of the West.
BTW, SC, Stanford, Michigan, Michigan St are/used to be ND main rivals. If THAT don’t get ND into the B10, nothing will and move on to get either Cal, Washington, or Oregon.
It also about ND’s ego as an independent. I bet that $ beats ego this time but who knows.
I don't think Stanford delivers the market, but they probably provide more access to the market similar to what RU does for NY/NJ. While olympic sports don't drive money, its certainly beneficial on certain levels to bring the school with the most athletic national championships. Finally, the extra lure for ND doesn't hurt. It also provides an easy travel for USC/UCLA.
Especially when the Big Ten says, "Well, because we have so many teams in the conference now, nobody gets to schedule out-of-conference games anymore."
Why are we all hating on Kansas? They’ve won 12 national championships across their athletic department. We’ve won….0.
For me it’s not hate…”it’s just business”…I don’t think there’s enough value added for the conference. I don’t think the networks would pay for it either which is the main issue.
Think you need to rewatch the ending to this movie.
It’s a win on our football schedule . As long as we don’t bring ash back
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Because realignment is all about teams that add value that can be immediately monetized.
who has accomplished that?
Texas A&M
Nebraska
Rutgers
Missouri
Utah
Colo
USC
UCLA
Maryland
Texas
OU
ND (can)
Stanford (can)
A few ACC teams can
Kansas, iowa state, Texas tech, WVU, tcu, wash state, the Oregon schools, the Az schools and so on, cannot.
it wasn’t our athletic pedigree that got us in the B1G. Yay for good geography!
ND half-joined the weakest P5 conference as much to protect its ‘brand’ via soft ACC schedules and good records most years as it did to allow for ongoing rivalries against other teams
ND will avoid the Big10 like the plague since they’d have to play the full conference slate and never see 10 wins or playoffs again.
ND will avoid the Big10 like the plague since they’d have to play the full conference slate and never see 10 wins or playoffs again.
I wonder what other conference ESPN will destroy to save their pet conferences? ESPN destroyed the Big East soon after it turned into an 18 team basketball behemoth, then made a 30 for 30 lamenting its destruction.
Well then I hope they enjoy irrelevance long term due to their own hubris. In the meantime, let's grab Cal, Stanford, Oregon, and Washington and complete the hostile takeover of the West.
We shall see. Monetarily, it makes zero sense to continue to do what they are doing and avoid the B1G. However, ND does think “outside of the box”. It will interesting to see if they have something else up their sleeve.
If I'm betting the next two additions to the B1G will be ND and Stanford. I think ND is boxed in with all the conference realignments and can no longer operate independently. Stanford brings too many positives to the table --past success on the football field ; academics ; prestige; success in Olympic sports; San Fran market, etc....
Replace Stanford with CAL. Stanford can't monetize anything,, they have a very small following in the Bay Area. They can't draw fans to a new stadium, a good portion of their own student body and alums are indifferent at best to the football program. There is absolutely no juice generated in the Bay Area even when Stanford has a good team. If you want the Bay Area you take Cal. State flagship school with 30,000 students vs. private snob school with 7,000 students.
The other big question is what do you do with the state of Arizona. Big and growing market in Phoenix but with a school, ASU, that is simply not B1G caliber. Arizona is AAU with a great basketball program. They do have a following throughout the state. If their football program improves they might be a consideration.
All true but that is not what is driving realignment. Olympic sports are immaterial, a large endowment and academic excellence is also not the driving factor. Plus you get all that with Cal and you get the flagship of the California system. Stanford football simply does not draw that much interest in the Bay Area, even among its own students and alumni.
Kansas has a far better mens basketball program than most teams in the Big Ten.In football they stink.Kansas has proximity to Nebraska and other midwest members.
There is only one reason I can think of that Kansas would be considered.
The B1G is making the decisions on who to add, but they have been talking to every potential TV partner about their contract.
Could it be possible that they have been by told that they should use expansion to strengthen he basketball conference a little as well, since football only helps these TV partners for Sept to Dec and basketball would help the Jan to Mar period?
The B1G is making the decisions on who to add, but they have been talking to every potential TV partner about their contract.
Could it be possible that they have been by told that they should use expansion to strengthen he basketball conference a little as well, since football only helps these TV partners for Sept to Dec and basketball would help the Jan to Mar period?
From biz standpoint, I agree I don't see Stanford as a good addition. I've always thought their ticket in is with ND. Whether ND wants them or not, who knows for sure. The other thing is that university presidents vote on these things so there's some "academic snobbery" or whatever you want to call it there.
If ND comes it kind of gives the university presidents a little wiggle room to add a school that might not be the best from a business perspective. In Stanford's case, I'd say a lot of wiggle room from the biz perspective. I mentioned that ND coming would allow the B10 to add 4 schools in total if they wanted but without I'd say only 2 more. Basically, ND's addition gives the university presidents some flexibility from a couple perspectives in terms of number and type of addition.
It's also like the whole market thing...at one time it was only markets matter and now it's only brands matter. IMO both are wrong and it's always been both markets matter and brands matter and each candidate school brings some of combo of each side of the equation to evaluate.
This is sort of analagous to that. In this instance it's sort of a balance of academic fit/profile matter and biz ehancement/value matter. A ND addition might allow the university presidents to lean more on that academic fit/profile part of the equation than they otherwise could in the case of Stanford.
A Stanford addition would definitely give the B1G college presidents something to feel good about at their cocktail parties to counteract all of the focus on the conference chasing revenue.
Circa 1978, Kansas had some good sized guys who could play in the B1G.
I don't disagree with anything you say, the only thing I would add that Cal is also a world renowned academic university. US News has Stanford ranked 3rd and Cal ranked 4th in the world rankings. The CWUR rankings has Stanford ranked 3rd and Cal 12th. Absent the ND factor, I don't think it would be much of a decision.
Agree. There isn’t a whole much of academic difference between the two except that Stanford is more selective in undergrad admissions than UCB.
They just added UCLA, who won the Basketball national championship 2 years ago, and USC, which always has the potential of being a good program. Kansas just does not bring in any money, and would be dilutive to the league payout. No one who reduces the payout is getting in.
There's 4-5 schools in the P12 alone that would make much more sense than Kansas
Of course it’s true. It is all about tv viewers and Power. Everything is about Power.
BTW: I am all in on CalState , Stanford , Oregon and Either Norte Dame or Washington. As nice it is to think ND will join the B1G my gut says they will go a much different route in all this.
You missed my point. I said the only way I could see Kansas being added is if the new TV partners told them they WON’T be dilutive to the payout because of basketball.
Only in Manhattan.
No---the one with 20MM fewer people in the middle of drought nowhereville.
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