The selection committee just rotates the criteria they want to pick each year. WVU and Indiana got hosed...
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They had serious flaws so not hosed but Bubba put thumb on scales here
Also Texas getting in goes to your point about consolidation changing history and how schools are selected
All these bubble teams have flaw in their resume, comparing UNC's resume to the others is comical. They did not earn a spot in the field, ESPECIALLY when you consider the conference they played in.
UNC: 1-12 Q1, 8-0 Q2, 7-1 Q3, 6-0 Q4
Indiana: 4-13 Q1, 5-0 Q2, 6-0 Q3, 4-0 Q4
Joke.
If you followed early posts i said earlier today I wouldn't be surprised if they were out along with a few others
Ad of North Carolina who just happe s to be chairman of selection committee
Not sure
I mean they had 4 high level Quad 1 wins but the NCAA wanted to MAG them
I'll say the Big 12 only with 7 compared to 14 from SEC is interesting. Conference as a whole will need to pick things up next year
You think Bubba's compensation gets a bump per the success of the BB program? Maybe some Rams Club perks as well, you know, off the books type goodies? (These are rhetorical questions).
It looked like he was holding a gun behind the head of the assistant commissioner during the interview
Yeah I do. I think the 19 wins vs. 22 for UNC is what gave them a basis of sorts. It’s kinda like when stores make something $19.99 instead of $20. Looks less expensive. 20 looks better than 19 and the gap between 22 and 19 bins looks like a big chump of them.
Rutgers had more Quad 1 wins than Xavier and North Carolina combined
They had win volume. That’s all. The conf tournies got the teams like Texas with high loss count but good collection of wins over the hump. They aren’t in at 17-15.
But when it came to teams like WVU, the committee seemed to say we don’t care that a few of your wins were better than theirs. They cared more apparently, about teams like UNC having 3 extra wins period in that case.
My Rankings (not optimized for tournament selection, just rankings) vs Seed.
#Ranking Team Name "Projected Seed" => Actual Seed
#1 Florida* 1 => 1
#2 Auburn 1 => 1
#3 Duke* 1 => 1
#4 Houston* 1 => 1
#5 Tennessee 2 => 2
#6 Alabama 2 => 2
#7 Michigan St 2 => 2
#8 St John's* 2 => 2
#9 Kentucky 3 => 3
#10 Texas A&M 3 => 4
#11 Wisconsin* 3 => 3
#12 Maryland 3 => 4
#13 Missouri 4 => 6
#14 Mississippi 4 => 6
#15 Texas Tech 4 => 3
#16 Iowa St 4 => 3
#17 Michigan 5 => 5
#18 Louisville 5 => 8
#19 Clemson 5 => 5
#20 Purdue 5 => 4
#21 Arizona 6 => 4
#22 Oregon 6 => 5
#23 Illinois 6 => 6
#24 Mississippi St 6 => 8
#25 BYU 7 => 6
#26 Gonzaga* 7 => 8
#27 Kansas 7 => 7
#28 UCLA 7 => 7
#29 Georgia 8 => 9
#30 Oklahoma 8 => 9
#31 St Mary's CA 8 => 7
#32 Marquette 8 => 7
#33 Memphis* 9 => 5
#34 Arkansas 9 => 10
#35 Vanderbilt 9 => 10
#36 Creighton 9 => 9
#37 Baylor 10 => 9
#38 New Mexico 10 => 10
#39 Connecticut 10 => 8
#40 North Carolina 10 => 11 play-in
#41 Texas 11 play-in => 11 play-in
#42 Ohio St 11 play-in => out
#43 Utah St 11 play-in => 10
#44 Indiana 11 play-in => out
#45 VCU* 11 => 11
#46 UC San Diego* 11 => 12
#48 San Diego St out => 11 play-in
#49 Colorado St* 12 => 12
#50 Drake* 12 => 11
#51 Xavier out => 11 play-in
#62 Liberty* 12 => 12
#76 McNeese St* 12 => 12
#86 High Point* 13 => 13
#88 Yale* 13 => 13
#91 Grand Canyon* 13 => 13
#94 Akron* 13 => 13
#104 UNC Wilmington* 14 => 14
#110 Lipscomb* 14 => 14
#113 Troy* 14 => 14
#129 Montana* 14 => 14
#132 Robert Morris* 15 => 15
#159 NE Omaha* 15 => 15
#165 Wofford* 15 => 15
#167 Bryant* 15 => 15
#177 Norfolk St* 16 => 16
#204 Mt St Mary's* 16 => 16 play-in
#216 American Univ* 16 play-in => 16 play-in
#226 SIUE* 16 play-in => 16
#278 Alabama St* 16 play-in => 16 play-in
#298 St Francis PA* 16 play-in => 16 play-in
#Ranking Team Name "Projected Seed" => Actual Seed
#1 Florida* 1 => 1
#2 Auburn 1 => 1
#3 Duke* 1 => 1
#4 Houston* 1 => 1
#5 Tennessee 2 => 2
#6 Alabama 2 => 2
#7 Michigan St 2 => 2
#8 St John's* 2 => 2
#9 Kentucky 3 => 3
#10 Texas A&M 3 => 4
#11 Wisconsin* 3 => 3
#12 Maryland 3 => 4
#13 Missouri 4 => 6
#14 Mississippi 4 => 6
#15 Texas Tech 4 => 3
#16 Iowa St 4 => 3
#17 Michigan 5 => 5
#18 Louisville 5 => 8
#19 Clemson 5 => 5
#20 Purdue 5 => 4
#21 Arizona 6 => 4
#22 Oregon 6 => 5
#23 Illinois 6 => 6
#24 Mississippi St 6 => 8
#25 BYU 7 => 6
#26 Gonzaga* 7 => 8
#27 Kansas 7 => 7
#28 UCLA 7 => 7
#29 Georgia 8 => 9
#30 Oklahoma 8 => 9
#31 St Mary's CA 8 => 7
#32 Marquette 8 => 7
#33 Memphis* 9 => 5
#34 Arkansas 9 => 10
#35 Vanderbilt 9 => 10
#36 Creighton 9 => 9
#37 Baylor 10 => 9
#38 New Mexico 10 => 10
#39 Connecticut 10 => 8
#40 North Carolina 10 => 11 play-in
#41 Texas 11 play-in => 11 play-in
#42 Ohio St 11 play-in => out
#43 Utah St 11 play-in => 10
#44 Indiana 11 play-in => out
#45 VCU* 11 => 11
#46 UC San Diego* 11 => 12
#48 San Diego St out => 11 play-in
#49 Colorado St* 12 => 12
#50 Drake* 12 => 11
#51 Xavier out => 11 play-in
#62 Liberty* 12 => 12
#76 McNeese St* 12 => 12
#86 High Point* 13 => 13
#88 Yale* 13 => 13
#91 Grand Canyon* 13 => 13
#94 Akron* 13 => 13
#104 UNC Wilmington* 14 => 14
#110 Lipscomb* 14 => 14
#113 Troy* 14 => 14
#129 Montana* 14 => 14
#132 Robert Morris* 15 => 15
#159 NE Omaha* 15 => 15
#165 Wofford* 15 => 15
#167 Bryant* 15 => 15
#177 Norfolk St* 16 => 16
#204 Mt St Mary's* 16 => 16 play-in
#216 American Univ* 16 play-in => 16 play-in
#226 SIUE* 16 play-in => 16
#278 Alabama St* 16 play-in => 16 play-in
#298 St Francis PA* 16 play-in => 16 play-in
Bubba receives an extra month's pay ($105k) with UNC making the tourney field. Nice.
Yeah, to be clear it's just a ranking system it's not specifically trying to predict tournament selection. But the projected seed is what the seed would be if the tournament were selected with this ranking.
Even towards the top you can see how much better bac's is.
I’m just saying - VTech has historically received comparative screw jobs relative to their conference brethren. Now I don’t know the history of selection committees - maybe it wasn’t always like this? Less ACC representation in the past?
VTech was left out a couple times with better resume than what UNC has:
2009-10 left out with 23-8 record
2010-11 left out with 21-11 record
2020-21 (autobid so they had to take them) but only received 11 seed with 23-12 record - would’ve been out at 22-12.
I'll find out my Paymon score I think tomorrow. Got 66 of 68 which is disappointing. 49 correct seed and 15 within 1 seed.
An improvement from last year though with seeding. I won't be in the top 10 but hopefully in top 1/3 and I'll be happy with that
220 brackets on the final matrix
215 had West Virginia in
190 had Indiana in
85 Texas
85 Xavier
53 North Carolina
Have to check on any perfect brackets 68 of 68 selected. I think there may have been one
criminal?
texas deserved to get in
the only team with a beef is north carolina and youd be splitting hairs with west virginia
indiana did not do enough although i can make a case if you wanted indiana and west virginia in you could probbaly make a better case against xavier than texas
15 losses is just too many....12-15 vs Q1/2/3 with a horrible non conference sos meaning its a school that you can easily leave off. Yes there are great wins better than any bubble but child please. Now set a new precident going forward for SEC schools. Schedule like crap and benefit from the rest of the conference at the top
North Carolina inclusion a nod to predictive metrics and now usuing WAB more prominently. Who cares if your computer scores are good when you lose every game you play against top competion..we are selecting the best but we are selecting a team with one vs field and 1-12 vs teams that are better than mediocre. If it was Rutgers with this resume they dont get in...
Indiana really had a weak resume..there by default but on precident they should have been picked.....4-13 in Q1 is better than unc and at least they won at Michigan State
West Virginia has a beef. In most years WVU would be right on the bubble..this year sucked, last year they would have easily been behind the BE bubbles. 4 high level wins but nothing after that and 3 months of mediocre play. Yet its supposed to be body of work not recent play. Definitely hurt by 5 losses to non tourney teams but sheesh if you compare them to Unc or even Indiana, the wins are clearly here.
I get why Xavier got picked...yes just 1 Q1 wins but 3 wins vs field and clean resume with alot of Q2/3 wins.
omg Bubba is downplaying the use of Quad 1 wins but thats the only reason Texas got in
going to predictive metrics to select schools is utter garbage.....its what you do on the court..wins and losses and what type of schedule you play
using the WAB now to select schools
the reasoning for Michigan makes no sense.
He is saying they were up and down. Hello Purdue was an up and down 5. Michigan was 2nd in the Big 10 standings and won the Big !0 tournament, does not sound like up and down
WVU got Magged but it seems arbitrary since some other schools had injuries and didnt get seeding dings.
He is saying they were up and down. Hello Purdue was an up and down 5. Michigan was 2nd in the Big 10 standings and won the Big !0 tournament, does not sound like up and down
WVU got Magged but it seems arbitrary since some other schools had injuries and didnt get seeding dings.
another complaint I have is that it appears the selection committee wants no part of mid majors....its seen in the seedings
vcu and uc san diego had no shot if they didnt win the conference tourneys....drake at 11 shows some disrespect as well..would they even get in??????
once again strong non conference from schools like Memphis trumps any bad losses...their 5 seed is insane really....8th on the matrix..
Gonzaga a 8 seed..are you kidding me. in their case they seem to ignore metrics
so yeah this year IMO the committee with 5 new members was as inconsistent and arbitrary as ever...I think all the historical stuff besides conference tourneys not really mattering is tossed out the window going forward
vcu and uc san diego had no shot if they didnt win the conference tourneys....drake at 11 shows some disrespect as well..would they even get in??????
once again strong non conference from schools like Memphis trumps any bad losses...their 5 seed is insane really....8th on the matrix..
Gonzaga a 8 seed..are you kidding me. in their case they seem to ignore metrics
so yeah this year IMO the committee with 5 new members was as inconsistent and arbitrary as ever...I think all the historical stuff besides conference tourneys not really mattering is tossed out the window going forward
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