"We’ve seen this movie before. Fans booed Mike Teel and Gary Nova. Teel became one of the best quarterbacks in program history. Nova turned in a senior year for the ages. No one is putting Vedral in that class right now"
Memo to Rutgers football fans: Stop writing Noah Vedral off
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"We’ve seen this movie before. Fans booed Mike Teel and Gary Nova. Teel became one of the best quarterbacks in program history. Nova turned in a senior year for the ages. No one is putting Vedral in that class right now"
Huh ?? How does Carino know rutgers football fans are writing vedral off ? Makes no sense unless he’s reading this Board and thinks that a few dopes have the pulse of the fanbase. Bad job by this guy
Vedral is good when we block. End of story.
He was only good because Delaware had a weak cock nose
Don’t they make pills for that kind of thing?
When the fanbase was critical of Teel and Nova they were young and unknown. Teel "became one of the greats" and seasons later Nova "turned in a senior.season for the ages."
But Vedral is in his second tour with a P5 program, he could be a be coach already. He's not going to have the evolution that Teel and Nova did.
But Vedral is in his second tour with a P5 program, he could be a be coach already. He's not going to have the evolution that Teel and Nova did.
Eh, Vedral turned in a paltry stat line of 21/25, 323 yards, 2 TD's, 0 INT's. I can't believe we're stuck with this no talent bum who can't throw a long ball! Just think how many points we would have scored today if we had had Art at QB!!!
Should be more like “Rutgers fans: if another QB gave the team a better chance to win, he’d be in the game; so just root for Vedral”
That's true for every college quarterback.
The kid showed something today- if we block and WR’s run crisp routs and get open, he can be pretty damn good. He still doesn’t have a rocket but he threw some really nice deep balls today. BTw- great execution on screen passes today.
Our fans were real ugly on Teel in 08 after a great 07…
Vedral did some nice things today that was absent in his prior games. He had some good games last year too.
Since I get on him when he does bad things I'll tell you what he did good today, as far as I could tell.
1) I am fairly sure I saw him make a great audible... seeing.. pre-snap.. where a blitz might come and he positions an RB to go out and take a quick pass right where the pressure was coming from. THAT is exactly what the good QBs do. That is what helps the OL protect him. No OL can protect a QB when the D can just tee-off snap-after-snap. No OL can protect an indecisive QB for long. Vedral's play (and the playcalls) is why the OL looked better. They have been giving him decent time all along. Vedral just showed he can use the time he has better.
2) He stepped UP in the pocket and threw in stride a few times. It looked good and we even got some big plays out of it. But even if we miss those passes it helps soften teh secondary.. good on Vedral and good on the OC.
3) He ran hard when he ran.. DECISIVE. He has done that in many games.. but not all. He showed heart.
Vedral deserved criticism (as did the OC) in prior games. He deserved to have doubt cast his way. But today both he and the OC stepped it up. ANd GS allowing Simon in the game and allowing him to throw.. that's aces too. I hope they all keep it up.
Since I get on him when he does bad things I'll tell you what he did good today, as far as I could tell.
1) I am fairly sure I saw him make a great audible... seeing.. pre-snap.. where a blitz might come and he positions an RB to go out and take a quick pass right where the pressure was coming from. THAT is exactly what the good QBs do. That is what helps the OL protect him. No OL can protect a QB when the D can just tee-off snap-after-snap. No OL can protect an indecisive QB for long. Vedral's play (and the playcalls) is why the OL looked better. They have been giving him decent time all along. Vedral just showed he can use the time he has better.
2) He stepped UP in the pocket and threw in stride a few times. It looked good and we even got some big plays out of it. But even if we miss those passes it helps soften teh secondary.. good on Vedral and good on the OC.
3) He ran hard when he ran.. DECISIVE. He has done that in many games.. but not all. He showed heart.
Vedral deserved criticism (as did the OC) in prior games. He deserved to have doubt cast his way. But today both he and the OC stepped it up. ANd GS allowing Simon in the game and allowing him to throw.. that's aces too. I hope they all keep it up.
Glad to see it but he doesn’t have that zip on the deep ball. The first one to melton he had to come back for it. Didn’t see the whole game but it’s a limitation he has had and will always have.
While he might not have the strongest arm, the first TD pass is not a valid example of arm weakness. That pass was intentionally thrown high and more or less as a jump ball to a one on one matchup in which they felt Melton had the advantage. It was never intended to be thrown hard and flat.
The next two long balls Vedral threw had a ton more “zip” on them, were hard and flat, and demonstrated that he has more than enough arm strength to get the job done.
Other QBs have stronger arms and can throw even harder and flatter. But Vedral’s arm is fine.
I believe it is called a back shoulder throw. Supposed to be on the sideline side of the receiver so even if short the receiver has the defender shielded. Was not a great throw but wasn’t that bad either.
Explain something to me, I fully understand this was Delaware. Yes, they are an FCS program. But for the entire week, actually a good deal of the preseason, article after article, and a large number of posts on this board, did nothing but warn about how good Delaware was. They beat the team that upset FSU, they were in the final four FCS playoffs, they had an excellent QB, they had a roster with many FBS level players who transferred in, RU had a history of losing to FBS teams. many people claimed that UD was actually the best team we faced in our OOC schedule. Then, we beat them pretty good And all we hear is that we shouldn’t get too excited because they are an FCS school. Something doesn’t fit.
Careful, you'll be expelled from the Cult of Art Sitkowski!
Yeah, that loser Ryan Hart had the same limitations, can't believe they kept him on as starting QB back then. I mean, what did he ever accomplish? Oh, wait......................
I've liked Vedral because you can see he has his head in the game. People tend to underestimate how mental playing QB is. I didn't realize it until going to HS games with a teammate who played 8 years in pros. A smart QB can notice how a DB makes his drops on certain plays in certain areas of the field. Some DBs are fast downfield but not quick to adjust to a short pass. Nova had a great arm, but for a few years he struggled to anticipate DBs closing speed on even his hardest thrown passes.
Vedral wont be throwing any rockets but when he passes he's made calculations (he was recruited by 2 academy teams). He'll be as good as the team he's on but that's ok. If the team rises he will rise with them and not hold them back. He reminds me of Ohio St's QB (Craig Krenzel) from their 2002 NC team. He wont win games by himself but does what he has to without killing you with mishaps
Vedral wont be throwing any rockets but when he passes he's made calculations (he was recruited by 2 academy teams). He'll be as good as the team he's on but that's ok. If the team rises he will rise with them and not hold them back. He reminds me of Ohio St's QB (Craig Krenzel) from their 2002 NC team. He wont win games by himself but does what he has to without killing you with mishaps
It maybe could've been thrown a bit harder and lower (and we saw that Vedral can indeed throw it lower and harder when he wants). But I think it was always planned to be a floater/jump-ball throw to allow Melton to beat his man one v one in the air.
At first, I thought uh-oh when I saw the float on the pass. Then I saw Vedral's longer balls that had velocity and relative flatness and realized he's better than some people here think. Not a Heisman candidate, sure. But still perfectly good if he's given some time to throw and some WRs with separation or 1v1 situations.
I thought the pass to Langan was his best pass of the day, perfectly placed dart.
That's one of the things I got from my NFL QB friend at HS games - passes that are "off target" on the surface can be intended to be off target. It can be up to the receiver to make a play only he can from his position/location.
Some times a receiver is covered by a DB who is very fast but is 5' 9" with short arms. Then you can have a slow LB but who is 6' 4" with arms to his knees and a 34" vertical. The slow LB can kill you on some plays the fast DB cant. A good QB is taking things in throughout the game and will know who he can and cant exploit
That was a good pass, I agree. I thought it was maybe very slightly high, but also it was out where the Delaware LB couldn’t get to it easily, and where Langan could rise up to catch it. And it had to have some weight to the throw because a DB, I think, was closing on the ball from the other side.
I stopped paying attention to Carino years ago. He always struck me as a basketball fan who hates football (yes, it is possible to be a fan of both sports), and he would always take unnecessary digs at the football program.
don't you know how this board functions yet.......it's a very small amount of posters and, they have a way of getting under your skin...they are very good at it.......i have learned to ignore these posts but, not block the poster.....that's unless the post really pisses me off. then i will respond.
Carino knows we have mainly good fans but a lot of dumb fans too. Even within this thread I see stupid posts trashing our QB’s with no knowledge of the game.
However, this article could have and should have been about how well Noah played and not how stupid a handful of fans are.
However, this article could have and should have been about how well Noah played and not how stupid a handful of fans are.
but later we saw him throw too late and too short on a long pass. I like that lob pass thing.. but it needs to be practiced a lot to get timing and precision down. It COULD be that he is not accurate enough.. we don't know.. not enough of a body of work on longer passes.
But he did throw a few highly accurate passes... like on that swing to Pacheco.. perfect placement and timing. We at least know he is cable of that. I want to see more of that. But I fear Big Ten CBs can jump his bubble screens... IF.. IF we do not stretch the field vertically often enough.
The pass to Shameen was a hair late and a tad short no doubt. D back made a play just like we did on their long ball. If anything he should have thrown it more to the flag because the D back was in the middle and he threw the ball straight making Shameen run straight. There was another D back on the sideline side but well short so I’m just nitpicking as are you. It wasn’t a bad pass at all. Shameen didn’t feel the d back closing or he would have boxed him out of the play with his body and made the catch or got a flag. It’s bang bang so again I’m nitpicking both players here. Nice closing speed by D back is the real call here just like Izien.
oh yeah and that wasn’t a lob pass nor was the 62 yard TD. Those are just deep passes. The TD by Melton is a fade or lob pass if you will.
He puts a lot of air under the ball on his long balls...
That was a bad pass.. he had a couple cases where he looked too long before deciding to throw it.. that failed long pass was one such time.. it was a late throw and too short.. but overall he did much much better than the previous two games.
Agree he doesn’t have the strongest arm on the really long passes like that one but completely disagree that it was a bad pass and I already gave you the reasons why above. When a pass is that far downfield and it gets broken up at the very last second it’s not a bad pass. Obviously it wasn’t perfect either.
The pass to Sanders had zip and was on the dime but wasn’t as far down the field. I would call that a long pass and the one to Shameen is about as far as he can throw probably. You cannot expect those to be perfect.
Vedral's most significant limitation is arm strength. He threw a few nice long balls this week because he had enough time to step into each of this throws. He rarely has that time and doesn't have the arm strength to make effective downfield throws off his back foot or otherwise without a stride or two into the throw. The tier one FBS QBs can make downfield throws even in less than ideal pass protection scenarios.
Right. He doesn't have a rocket arm. So throwing off the run or from back foot aren't going to be his strong suit.
However, nobody here is arguing he is an NFL caliber QB who can win games solely on his arm strength. He is, however, a better than average game manager, reader of defenses, and leader. Which are equally important skills.
Our season won't be dictated or limited strictly by Vedral's play. It'll be dictated by OL play (and DL play on the other side of the ball). Which seems true of most teams in most seasons. Yet everybody always points at the QB as if he's operating in a vacuum and the performance of the rest of the team is a non-factor.
Vedral isn't NFL-bound, and isn't likely to win games solely on his own performance. He will be as good as the team around him. Which so far has been good enough to win.
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