My Thoughts on the Wisconsin Game
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Good thoughts Gef. Agree with most everything but didn’t see a couple. Probably because I didn’t look for them.
7. 100%. Even in this thread and even some who agree with you. I can’t read this crap any more lol.
6. I said this right after the game. We lost in this area and this is what both teams were trying to establish. Not sure I agree with beat up, especially on D. They were running that trap play and sending a lot of big bodies at us. I saw guys filling gaps but not penetrating and wonder if the traps caused confusion and took away some of our aggressive play on D. They were on the field a lot in the first half.
7. 100%. Even in this thread and even some who agree with you. I can’t read this crap any more lol.
6. I said this right after the game. We lost in this area and this is what both teams were trying to establish. Not sure I agree with beat up, especially on D. They were running that trap play and sending a lot of big bodies at us. I saw guys filling gaps but not penetrating and wonder if the traps caused confusion and took away some of our aggressive play on D. They were on the field a lot in the first half.
Awesome post. Sorry for slow response. I had a ton of film work to do.
#1 you are right it was missing CD. And in regards to the play call, the backside look was a high low look that was open. GW made a presnap read that was wrong dnd did not realize it until it was too late (and it was not a great throw). I personally would have liked to see an RPO or even a levels roll to that side with the option of running, but I do not hate the scheme as a whole.
#2 I do not know their system well enough to make that call. It might be that the WRs have choice routes on options and they were taking away inside plays since we do not show a ton of success vertically to the outside, so they were giving us outside release.
#3 toure is a rush LB and not necesarily a true every down contain guy. Powell needs to be our inside guy playing cloudy clear. Jennings needs to fill better, contact better, and see routes better.
#4 I think the majority of our TE routes are choice routes, used as check downs. I do not think we have the ability to get vertical consistently to be honest.
#5 I think our WRs have improved a ton, but teams are bumping us hard and giving us outside release because we do not consistently hit them. Our WRs are pretty good in traffic and teams see that, so they are taking away the inside. We really need a second vertical WR badly to make it on the field. Strong is getting there but he gets bumped easily on vertical routes.
#6 our pass pro is good but we are leaving RBs and TEs in a lot to help. I think we do a great job in the middle, but teams are taking that away. We HAVE to hit the vertical outside release game in the B10. If we had all of our WRs I believe we would be.
#7 We couldnt run the ball because we got crushed inside. They sold out to take away our outside game and crept in to stop the run. We have to hit the outside vertical game.
I would assume if there was someone better they would be playing.
OL and DL take 2-3 years to develop unless you are getting absolute animals.
There is no wiggle room when you are a mid level team. We do not have the players to make mistakes. We made mistakes.
Brantley would have been the 2nd vertical receiver. *sigh*
On #1, imo, the pick 6 play was actually the perfect play call. Even if Wimsatt made a bad pre snap read, he still had a chance to make the play, because you have to trust that arguably your best receiver, would beat the DB 1-1.
But Wimsatt made twin sins on this play.
Wimsatt stared down his receiver, allowing time for the DB to react, and made a really bad throw that only the DB had a chance at, since he threw the ball towards the WRs back shoulder, putting the WR at a severe disadvantage.
Good throw, such as leading the WR with the ball, would have resulted in a touchdown. Good playcall, bad execution. thoughts?
I think, based on the pattern read outside in coverage it is a really really hard throw. If it is not perfect it gets picked or CD gets absolutely demolished. The open look is backside that give a hitch/in to the #1 WR and a corner route to the #2. That needs to be look at CD, see the coverage, turn and put ball to the back corner immediately.
GW got the presnap read wrong and predetermined his throw and then didnt read again. He read man bracket coverage, and even the CBs first step looks like that is the correct call, but its not. Pattern read is an awesome defensive pass scheme.
I am not talking about someone being over all better.
I’m talking about someone else who’s strong suit may be in the area he’s struggling in and use him situationally.
The majority of this board, including myself, has a tendency to if, if, if after a loss. That's how I spend my Saturday nights. Lol.
Hes struggling at gap filling, containing, and contacting routes. Hes pretty good in the triangle, but even then he gets washed at times because he plays high. I would not be shocked if we find out he is hurt somewhere in his lower body.
i've thought for a while now that he must be hurt. Wasn't he RU's defensive MVP last season ?
Powell is the man though.
BTW, a telling fact regarding possible replacements at LB is that on the depth chart there is only one other guy listed besides the three starters...Walker. There are five guys listed at the RB position.
Also, we are missing Long. Half the season is gone. IMO he was our best WR.
Yes, Gavin got it wrong but the Db made a great play. He stayed in his area and did not follow outside receiver inside , which is obviously what Gavin thought he would do, and then only sees CD by himself and doesn’t even see DB until ball is already released. Plus CD wasn’t in the end zone but at the 3 which is definitely a broken route . Plus that is a long ass throw which is another reason it was a terrible play call.
Why they didn’t run it in or run/ pass option on 2nd or 3rd down was the mistake. Kirk has to do better. 2 critical play calls and Gavin’s only 2 interceptions to go for Pick 6’s and change the outcome of the game.
The front side of the play didnt work, the backside did. It was not a terrible play call, GW did not do his job to go to the backside. If they were in press man the backside call is taken away and the front is open.
Didn't Daniel Jones make the same tragic mistake in the Seattle game...and Devon Witherspoon took it 97 yards for a TD for the Seahawks ?
You prefer that long pass over giving Gavin a RPO or run pass option or going 2 tights plus a wide receiver in Motion to block for a quick handoff to Kyle or whatever running back was in the game . That is why I say it was a bad play call considering how they got down there and having Wisconsin on their heels
Yes but worse because Jones have another option and Wallet running to the back of the end zone and where he threw it was crowded and had to throw a needle into a haystack
At this point.. GW is not accurate enough.. consistently.. to throw into tight coverage. Many teams can throw into single coverage or to big TEs over smaller DBs or slower LBS but that.. like back-shoulder throws and hitting RBs on swing passes where they don't have to stop for the ball.. all that requires accuracy and timing that GW does not yet have. He HAS made those throws.. but has failed to make them as well.
So Gef's point of hitting half or less of those opportunities to change the game.. that fits. Maybe that changes for the positive.. but that takes time. Also like @goru7 take on the pick6. I don't have the knowledge to know who is responsible for what on that.. but I knew it had to be a couple breakdowns.. not just a great play by the DB.
So Gef's point of hitting half or less of those opportunities to change the game.. that fits. Maybe that changes for the positive.. but that takes time. Also like @goru7 take on the pick6. I don't have the knowledge to know who is responsible for what on that.. but I knew it had to be a couple breakdowns.. not just a great play by the DB.
Actually it was the last game of his senior year in HS. It was a horrendous knee injury: he posted a picture this summer of him in uniform, the scar on his left leg goes from above his knee all the way down to almost his ankle. I can't find the picture online, so I'll post it when I get home.
