Yeah maybe one day a bunch of guys will skip out on their senior season for fear of potential injury/loss of value and take the money the NFL is offering them right away. The horror!
New trend of players sitting out bowl games to prepare for the NFL draft
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I guess if it comes down to Player A being the perfect fit for the Patriots, they'll choose Player A. But if comes down to a close call between Player A and Player B, maybe being perceived as not a team player hurts Player A and gives the edge to Player B. Even though Player A will get selected by another team (or by the Patriots in the next round), getting picked later in the draft costs him money.
Also, if it makes a difference to half the team and doesn't make a difference to the other half, you're still cutting your chances of being selected earlier by 50%.
I don't really know how much of an effect this will have on where a player gets drafted. And it still might be better than the risk of injury. But certainly in a climate where NFL teams are placing a higher premium on player off-the-field behavior, it is hard to believe that quitting on your college team won't have any impact on your draft prospects.
It really is a total gray area.. In the grand scheme of things.. Some of these bowl games are technically "meaningless" (Quick: 9 years ago, who did Rutgers play in a bowl game) But for the practices leading up to them, where programs get to focus time on developing players who are expected to contribute the following year.. That in itself is immeasurable... I can easily see merits on both sides of the argument... Unfortunately, there is no easy fix to this... (some of you make think its as easy as pulling a schollie.. But if you really sit down and think it thru... Its not nearly that easy, as there could be serious repercussions) But also by allowing it.. Where would it stop? Say RU went 6-6 this year.. How would we feel if DH and JPO both opted out? Now both of them were real good players for us.. But they're also both fringe 7th rd at the very best of cases... IDK.. I mean like I said, cases can be made on both sides...
No Shit Sherlock!! Glad you read my post! Now go back and re-read it so you can understand my point
Bottom line is you approve of players quitting on their team during the season...I don't.
I don't care about coaches.
Yes. Because the schools in the grand scheme of things don't care about them. I'm sure he'd gladly pay his last years scholarship back once he gets that NFL money.
If you got offered a job that paid 10 times your salary but had to accept and join the company tomorrow, would you do it? I would. You screw over the company you leave on short notice by not giving 2 weeks notice. Oh no the horror! You're a quitter!
Myles Garrett (DE, Texas A&M) came out today and said he is practicing and will play in the Texas bowl against K-St. Many people have him as potentially the number one overall pick. Fournette- let's be fair, the kid's been dinged up most of the year; he's still dealing with an ankle that's not fully healed. Totally understandable. So really, we have one guy taking advice from his father and most likely input from John Elway and deciding to sit. I know over there on Yahoo Sports, they're already writing the obituary for the bowl system, and extrapolating this out to the ultimate "inevitable" conclusion, but really. It's one guy. Let's not turn this into a national trend until and if it actually happens...
I approve of 1% of players doing what they can to protect themselves physically and financially in a system that is set up where everyone else makes millions on their backs.
And it's really convenient that you don't care about coaches but care so passionately about holding down the kid who gets a few grand in cash and a scholarship valued at a fraction of his actual dollar worth to the program.
This is an easy one, if you ask me.
If you choose to skip the bowl game for reasons related to your post-college career, then you're off the team. If you're off the team, then you lose your scholarship, right then and there.
These things are about more than just contractual details. A man steps up. Period. If you choose to deny your teammates and the fans that last opportunity to see the skills that are taking you to the NFL, then go 'head be gone with it.
If you choose to skip the bowl game for reasons related to your post-college career, then you're off the team. If you're off the team, then you lose your scholarship, right then and there.
These things are about more than just contractual details. A man steps up. Period. If you choose to deny your teammates and the fans that last opportunity to see the skills that are taking you to the NFL, then go 'head be gone with it.
I can see it now. Some jackass is gonna quit on his team, in October, because they have no chance to make the playoff.
That, unfortunately, ends up being completely meaningless. The fall semester is over, he's hiring an agent, and he's actually not on scholarship anymore anyway.
AND in that game, a pro bound Ray Rice, who did not bail on his teammates, carried the ball plenty and had 99 yard run and 300 yds on the ground, one of the greatest performances in RU history that won't be forgotten
Fine. So then all that's required is the small detail of publicizing the fact that he has left the team and we're all set.
As mentioned before...as long as Stanford doesn't use his image in promotional materials for upcoming seasons and to future recruits, I think that's a deal McCaffrey would be okay with.
Would be a little hypocritical if they chose to still do that, no?
So in that case, as soon as you see Stanford publicly celebrate McCaffrey's draft selection, we can infer they are just fine with the whole thing.
Actually he is. In the Big Ten, your scholarship is good until you complete your education. If you are injured and can't play, your scholarship continues. If you leave school for a bona fide reason (including leaving school early to pursue a professional career), you scholarship is good for life and you can return to your school to complete your degree at any time.
So giving up your scholarship is not completely meaningless, at least in the Big Ten.
He went to Stanford, they have every right to publicize his draft placement as much as they desire, even if he quits on his teammates because he's afraid of hurting himself.
How convenient.
"This guy quit on us. He is no longer a part of our program and is not welcome in our facilities!
But hey, take a look at what he did for us in the Rose Bowl. You can do that for us too!"
Because now you would be costing the teams, the conferences and the NCAA money. You can hang an individual kid out to dry but don't mess with the machine.
Can't say I blame the kids TBH (and I'm generally all for the scholarship is your pay argument).
If we made a bowl game last year and a healthy Carroo opted out for the same reason you'd all be crying like babies.
imagine if Seniors (and future NFLers) Jeremy Zuttah, Brandon Renkart, and Eric Foster decided not to play.
I'd feel very comfortable knowing that my personal fandom wouldn't extend to calling Leonte a "quitter" after 3.9 years of dedication to our school. But keep on feeling like you do, it's admirable how much you're willing to exploit these kids.
I call BS…nothing personal RBS05
As a matter of fact, nothing said in this thread is personal
I never said you'd call him a quitter, I said you'd cry.:D
I'm for that if there is a clause that they must serve their entire contracts. No extensions either.
Coaches are mentors/teachers. They're not in-and-of the program. They're not brothers. They don't go to class with you, parties with you, or the library with you. Quitting on your teammate? I literally would rather smash my head into a brick wall than do that with 1 game left. Awful.
Ditto. However, when the coaches leave, they leave the school. Same should go for the players; you don't want to bowl then leave the school or pay your own way. Such players have voided their scholarship.
