Nick Suriano Status

[dicemen99]

Another thing to add in regards to the waiver - just spitballing off the top of my head. In order to go to the B1G to ask for the waiver whether PSU supports it or not, Suriano needs a hardship or special circumstance to apply. Just guessing again, but a logical assumption is that "I've got a girlfriend at home" or "I really like a guy on the RU staff" is not going to fly here. So:

1) Suriano is going with a family or personal hardship. In this case it would be punitive for PSU to not support the waiver. It also might be irresponsible in terms of university exposure if they are aware of this to not support the waiver.

or

2) Suriano has to make a case that something is untenable for him at PSU to remain there. In this case it may be irresponsible in terms of university exposure to support the waiver.

In either case, as of about 3 or 4 weeks ago, when this first hit the internet, the PSU coaching staff had not been communicated to about either scenario or a transfer. I am not guessing about that. There may be another possibility than the two above that is not coming to me at this time, but I will think about it some more.

 

[BigLou]

Here's a hypothetical.

No one seems to know why NS wanted to leave PSU. Is it possible that he has had a reduction in his scholarship based on the fact that he did not win a B10 or NCAA title last year.? I do not know how scholarships get allocated except that a school has about 10 wrestling scholarships to give so most get partials (unlike FB and BB where recipients get full rides). Maybe at a place like PSU you have to achieve certain goals in order to earn your scholarship the next year. With all those returning national champs, maybe the formula that is used is stretched thin and Cael had to reduce NS's money. If this is the case, does the loss of eligibility seem fair? PSU is an expensive school for out of state students (I know, my son went there without the benefit of a scholarship). If money os a reason then that might help his waiver case.

Like I said, not sure if this is a factor, maybe someone who knows more can chime in.

 

[Ole Cabbagehead]

It doesn't "give me pause." I think they look at the circumstances, not the coach's opinion. I can't think of many coaches who would willingly help a kid transfer to a competition- not hindering is different than helping. The moment NS requested a transfer, and it was granted, Cael's responsibility was toward his team and the University. I am sure he didn't expect Illinois to plead with the Big Ten for Cortez, and he isn't going to for Nick.

Fair enough. You put what you think ahead of what our insiders and sports writers think. That's your decision, and I get it. The people saying Cael's approval would have been significant are all on the RU side.

I do have a small issue with your use of words like "help" and "plead." A little hyperbole on your part. Giving a statement that you do not disapprove of the waiver is not the same as pleading.

 

[Leonard23]

you guys really don't understand this rule.

Nah, you don't understand that there's more to it than just the black & white letter of the rule when a wrestler is seeking an exemption or waiver.

 

[Abro1975]

Student Athlete Rights (or lack of) has become such a HUGE issue, that with such a high profile case that Surianos' has become, I have a feeling the Big10 committee that makes the ruling, may not want to face the heat and criticism (justified or not) that will inevitably come from media all around the country should they rule Suriano can't wrestle for anther Big10 team this coming season..

 

[pawrestlersintn]

Nah, you don't understand that there's more to it than just the black & white letter of the rule when a wrestler is seeking an exemption or waiver.

fbc1866 said, "It appears that he will be on campus this year but have to sit out a year. He will still have three years eligibility."

Here's the problem with that. The B1G waiver would allow him to compete this year AND not lose the year of eligibility. What fbc is saying is he would sit a year and NOT lose the year of eligibility. That's why I put my eye roll emoji in my message back to him, because his message made no sense.

So, the only way that he is sitting this year is if he got the waiver and is using his redshirt, which I sincerely doubt. The reason I doubt that is because this year would be the best shot at winning a national championship. If he doesn't win it this year, next year Spencer Lee, Daton Fix and Gavin Teasdale come on the scene. If the four of those kids end up in the same bracket, it's a pick 'em.

 

[pawrestlersintn]

Student Athlete Rights (or lack of) has become such a HUGE issue, that with such a high profile case that Surianos' has become, I have a feeling the Big10 committee that makes the ruling, may not want to face the heat and criticism (justified or not) that will inevitably come from media all around the country should they rule Suriano can't wrestle for anther Big10 team this coming season..

Just remember the floodgates that may open, if they give this waiver. It will be for all sports and all athletes. I'm not sure the B1G is ready to allow that to happen.

Besides that, is it really high profile? I just did a google search, and there are three primary outlets where it's being reported: local Rutgers papers, including nj.com; local State College papers; and Flowrestling. Even Jay Bilas' retweet of the Politi article has 75 responses, 750 retweets and 1500 likes. That's not even a significant portion of the wrestling community, let alone anything more than a gnat on an elephant's ass to the NCAA or the B1G.

If there are legitimate reasons for the waiver, I'm all for it, but I don't see this case changing the B1G policy.

 

[Abro1975]

Just remember the floodgates that may open, if they give this waiver. It will be for all sports and all athletes. I'm not sure the B1G is ready to allow that to happen.

Besides that, is it really high profile? I just did a google search, and there are three primary outlets where it's being reported: local Rutgers papers, including nj.com; local State College papers; and Flowrestling. Even Jay Bilas' retweet of the Politi article has 75 responses, 750 retweets and 1500 likes. That's not even a significant portion of the wrestling community, let alone anything more than a gnat on an elephant's ass to the NCAA or the B1G.

If there are legitimate reasons for the waiver, I'm all for it, but I don't see this case changing the B1G policy.

Oh I get your point about the 'Floodgates opening (actually only for Football, Basketball and Baseball do D1 athletes have to sit out a year when transferring), but I think eventually the NCAA & conference commissioners may just throw up their hands with all the legal bills and bad publicity..

 

[dunkej01]

After all of this, would you RU guys get upset if the surianos met with Cael in an attempt to patch things up?

asking for a friend.

 

[nitlion6]

So CS granted the release to Rutgers but he does not want the B1G to grant him a waiver to the rule requiring him to lose a year of eligibility. The release without the waiver probably isn't worth much.

Penn State released the kid no strings attached.
The lost year of eligibility is a Big10 rule and any wavier is a Big10 decision. Nothing to do with Penn State.
What Penn State's release does do for Nick is it allows him to receive whatever scholarship assistance (full ride) Rutgers has promised and to apply for a wavier of the lost year.

 

[nitlion6]

Penn State released Nick. No strings attached. Nick is free to enroll, receive scholarship assistance and compete wherever he wishes.

Any issues with conference rules, that is between Nick, his new school and whatever conference his new school belongs. If the new school is Rutgers then it will be Rutgers' responsibility to help Nick navigate through the conference rules. Not Penn State's.

 

[nitlion6]

Where did I ever say that? If psu endorses the waiver it can help in the proceedings that's all I've ever stated. You are a quite confusing person. You posted to another one of my posts with complete gibberish, and I didn't even quote you.

Thank you, we now have your feelings on the matter so no need for you to post here any longer. I had thought you were a reasonable poster, but now I can see why you fit right in with that group on what ever that psu board is called.

Just out of curosity. If Penn State wanted to express support for a wavier, how do you believe they should express that desire.

I assume if the Surianos ask for a wavier, they would be offering some sort of reason or grievance. So you assume it would be normal for anybody to acknowledge (true or not) they may have caused a grievance(s) so severe the kid needed to transfer.

You find that reasonable?

Maybe they could. I can read it now. While Rutgers was illegally recruiting one of our student-athletes it was made known by the school (Rutgers) to the student-athlete's family that the school could give the student-athlete a richer scholarship package than Penn State could. So by all means, the Penn State Athletic Department does wish to see Rutgers benefit from this NCAA violation and we support the wavier of the lost year of eligibility for the student athlete.

Hell man, with the way this played out I would think after Penn State granted the kid a complete no strings release the entire Rutgers' athletic community would be praying Penn State went on their merry way never saying anything else about the entire matter.

 

[nitlion6]

It appears that he will be on campus this year but have to sit out a year. He will still have three years eligibility.

If this statement was true that would mean Nick has successfully enrolled in Rutgers, they immediately applied for a wavier and the Big10 expedited the process.
The result of the Micic appeal was announced about 3 months into the school year. My guess is simply another example of a Rutgers fan displaying his knowledge level.

 

[RUinSeattle]

Penn State released the kid no strings attached.
The lost year of eligibility is a Big10 rule and any wavier is a Big10 decision. Nothing to do with Penn State.
What Penn State's release does do for Nick is it allows him to receive whatever scholarship assistance (full ride) Rutgers has promised and to apply for a wavier of the lost year.

Geez. Take a breath. I said "he does not want the B1G to grant him a waiver." And PSU clearly doesn't want the big ten to grant the waiver. Their official statement says "...any intra-conference transfer is required to sit for one year ..." and "...[NS] will be subject to that school's policies (conference or otherwise) on transfer and eligibility status...".

And if PSU didn't think their opinion mattered why announce their opposition so publicly?

[Edit: "Take a breath" was directed at a nitlion comment a mod later deleted]

 

[Ole Cabbagehead]

Phila Phans - Do we know why my posts were deleted and the PSU troll's posts quoting and responding to me allowed to stay? I don't know why we are providing them a platform to accuse our staff of NCAA violations. That wouldn't fly on their board. Its totally baseless.

EDITED - to remove the DJ call out, since it wasn't him.

 

[PhilaPhans]

This was me trying to get rid of most of the posts in this thread that weren't civil or didn't seem to add to the discussion. And responses accordingly to those posts. Mind you, I also merged both threads on this board, and I have only gone through one of them so far. I'll go through this entire one today and delete more posts and get rid of various PSU posters if I feel they've gone over the line.

I'd just like to point out that, despite it being a Rutgers board, having differing opinions or discussion from an opposing fan isn't against the rules. But there are 2 or 3 posters from PSU that have gone above and beyond that and will be dealt with.

 

[Ole Cabbagehead]

After all of this, would you RU guys get upset if the surianos met with Cael in an attempt to patch things up?

asking for a friend.

I wouldn't be upset no matter what happens. The entire way this has played out is unfortunate for everyone involved. I've stated several times I will be surprised if he winds up at Rutgers after all of this. I would be more surprised if he wound up at PSU though. I think a third option is most likely (maybe Rider). I don't know how you come back from this at PSU, and for RU, I assume the loss of a competition year kills us, if that is what's going to happen. I am sure its waiver or no dice as far as RU is concerned.

 

[rondi]

Well, obviously Rutgers certainly isn't part of the transfer waiver issue/obstacle, period. I don't care if it's Cael and/or BIG Committee...if it's at all possible, within the rules, subjectively speaking, I'd like to see Suriano at Rutgers, first and foremost, and if not, a BIG University. Would hate to see him make another university and conference stronger. That is all! #FreeSuriano #RUJerseyStrong #BIGStrong.

Go RU!
Diane

 

[rubigtimenow]

I'd just like to point out that, despite it being a Rutgers board, having differing opinions or discussion from an opposing fan isn't against the rules. But there are 2 or 3 posters from PSU that have gone above and beyond that and will be dealt with.

Yay! I'm hopeful that going "above and beyond" includes incessantly repeating the same crap and essentially hogging/blocking the thread from any other discussion.

 

[RU93]

Would losing a competitive year be critically bad for Suriano? I don't think so. He's future is set no matter where he gets his degree from. Alumni support will be huge in getting a high paying job. Esp. at RU where NY is in our backyard - tons of high paying job. As for wrestling, he has two years to win two national titles, and I'm sure he will, and he'll be remembered as the best ever Rutgers wrestler for a lifetime. He then goes on to win the Olympics. He then trains with Frankie Edger and wins the UFC title, then Mayweather unretires for the 5th time for a mega fight. After all is settled, Suriano and Ash will be the co-head coaches at RU, leading the team to NCAA title contention year after year.

Problem solved!

 

[Leonard23]

This was me trying to get rid of most of the posts in this thread that weren't civil or didn't seem to add to the discussion. And responses accordingly to those posts. Mind you, I also merged both threads on this board, and I have only gone through one of them so far. I'll go through this entire one today and delete more posts and get rid of various PSU posters if I feel they've gone over the line.

I'd just like to point out that, despite it being a Rutgers board, having differing opinions or discussion from an opposing fan isn't against the rules. But there are 2 or 3 posters from PSU that have gone above and beyond that and will be dealt with.

The issue is that we don't need them to post the same [poop] over & over...

5. No repetitive negative posting.What makes a repetitive post? If you come to the forum and consistently say the exact same thing about the exact same topic day in and day out, that is being repetitive. Be sure to understand that no one is saying that you can not be critical. But this site will not be overrun by the same people coming on the site day after day saying the same negative things.

13. No dominating the conversation. Do not dominate the conversation, whether it is a single thread, or the overall conversation on the board for the day. A successful message board community involves give and take. If one poster contributes too much, to the point of disrupting the community, he or she may be banned.

 

[PhilaPhans]

The issue is that we don't need them to post the same [poop] over & over...

5. No repetitive negative posting.What makes a repetitive post? If you come to the forum and consistently say the exact same thing about the exact same topic day in and day out, that is being repetitive. Be sure to understand that no one is saying that you can not be critical. But this site will not be overrun by the same people coming on the site day after day saying the same negative things.

13. No dominating the conversation. Do not dominate the conversation, whether it is a single thread, or the overall conversation on the board for the day. A successful message board community involves give and take. If one poster contributes too much, to the point of disrupting the community, he or she may be banned.

I agree with this. Which is why as a first step I've started to go through these threads and purge them of what I consider unnecessary, false, demeaning, or combatitive posts.

 

[PSUer1989]

https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast...nsfer-drama/id1245707006?i=1000390913309&mt=2

They discuss Nick's situation starting around 37 minutes. They state what has been stated here by PS fans. It is a Big Ten rule driven by athletic directors because conference competition is so big in coaching evaluations. They also said a lot of non-wrestling issues are part of the decisions. There is no mention of waivers. They also stated, interestingly, that 2 non D-I schools requested permission to contact Nick and were denied. Take it for what is worth, but they have no PSU affiliation.

 

[mandfense]

Here's a theory. What if Cael, Suriano and/or Scott struck a deal that privately Cael would support the waiver, but publicly deny it to save face?

Based on today's Fat Cat, it sounds like he's coming one way or another.

 

[Leonard23]

Here's a theory. What if Cael, Suriano and/or Scott struck a deal that privately Cael would support the waiver, but publicly deny it to save face?

Based on today's Fat Cat, it sounds like he's coming one way or another.

Hmmm

 

[PSUer1989]

Here's a theory. What if Cael, Suriano and/or Scott struck a deal that privately Cael would support the waiver, but publicly deny it to save face?

Based on today's Fat Cat, it sounds like he's coming one way or another.

How does that save face, when he has been blasted so publicly for not supporting the waiver? And (serious question- not trolling) can someone please show me an official conference confirmation that such a waiver even exists? Because I have read the summary of the transfer rules and do not see it. Only the fans seem to talk about it...

Upon further research, the only reference to waiver I found was "Waiver: An action that sets aside an NCAA rule because a specific, extraordinary circumstance prevents you from meeting the rule. An NCAA school may file a waiver on your behalf; you cannot file a waiver for yourself. The school does not administer the waiver, the conference office or NCAA does." Note, the school (or Cael) doesn't administer it- the conference does...
http://www.ncaa.org/student-athletes/current/transfer-terms

 

[Flying_Tiger]

Here's a theory. What if Cael, Suriano and/or Scott struck a deal that privately Cael would support the waiver, but publicly deny it to save face?

Based on today's Fat Cat, it sounds like he's coming one way or another.

Sounds like the solution to the Cuban Missile Crisis.

 

[pawrestlersintn]

This was me trying to get rid of most of the posts in this thread that weren't civil or didn't seem to add to the discussion. And responses accordingly to those posts. Mind you, I also merged both threads on this board, and I have only gone through one of them so far. I'll go through this entire one today and delete more posts and get rid of various PSU posters if I feel they've gone over the line.

I'd just like to point out that, despite it being a Rutgers board, having differing opinions or discussion from an opposing fan isn't against the rules. But there are 2 or 3 posters from PSU that have gone above and beyond that and will be dealt with.

Phila, for the most part it appears that you have been fair in the information that you have removed from this thread. Except for the message from cabbage head telling me to eat s***, another message calling me numbnuts, and those insightful messages regarding Sandusky. And when I say insightful, those types of messages truly tell me who those people are.

That being said, I am not a fan of censorship. Personally, I think it is a slippery slope, and I would rather know that cabbage head thinks I should eat s***, rather than not know. That way I know if he ever invites me for a beer whether to expect a beer, or a punch to the jaw.

The other problem with censorship is that there has been a lot of misinformation or misinterpretation of the rules regarding this situation. By censoring information, you could very well be promoting a fanbase's misunderstanding of the rules. As far as I'm concerned, that's not good. You've seen that several times in this thread, where someone has posted something with misinformation and then the next couple of posters jump on board and say "Yeah that's right!" Even though, it wasn't.

As to censorship on the BWI board, I can assure you that fans from other teams have come on that board and accused Penn State wrestling of NCAA violations. The latest case in point was when the financial information of the NLWC came out. To my knowledge none of those fans have been banned. In fact the latest two people to be banned from that board have been Penn State fans who were just stupid over-the-top in their fandom, pretending to be Insiders, yet not adding anything to the conversation. Kid Dagger tried to dip his toes in the trolling water over there and nothing's happened to him, except for getting s*** right back.

Anyway, take it for what it's worth. I just think that society in general is heading down this path of silencing opinions, which historically has led to very bad things.

 

[wngarbarini]

RU93
NS does not want to lose a year competing for a Big Ten Championship and NCAA Championship. That is just his desire to be the best. Imagine what it did to him this year having to sit there and watch the Bigs and NCAAs, especially seeing Cruz win who he clocked 7-0. I know if he had to sit a year he could get 30-35 bouts unattached in great tournaments including the Midlands. But to him he misses dual meets and Bigs and NCAAs.

 

[PhilaPhans]

I've been working through reports at work all day. I think I've only got to about 2-3 of the 11 pages of this thread (based on the way my view is set). Still more to look through.

As for censorship, some of our best posters on this site aren't even Rutgers fans. huskeralways, SouthernGentleman, etc. It's not about what you write about, it's about how you present yourself. Remember that this is obviously a Rutgers slanted board.

 

[DJ Spanky]

What??? No one banned from the thread? Slacker!

 

[Nitt Fan]

I've been working through reports at work all day. I think I've only got to about 2-3 of the 11 pages of this thread (based on the way my view is set). Still more to look through.

As for censorship, some of our best posters on this site aren't even Rutgers fans. huskeralways, SouthernGentleman, etc. It's not about what you write about, it's about how you present yourself. Remember that this is obviously a Rutgers slanted board.

[banana]

 

[PhilaPhans]

I've been working through reports at work all day. I think I've only got to about 2-3 of the 11 pages of this thread (based on the way my view is set). Still more to look through.

As for censorship, some of our best posters on this site aren't even Rutgers fans. huskeralways, SouthernGentleman, etc. It's not about what you write about, it's about how you present yourself. Remember that this is obviously a Rutgers slanted board.

[banana]

You sir, are no huskeyalways or SouthernGentleman.

 

[Nitt Fan]

You sir, are no huskeyalways or SouthernGentleman.

"Which is why as a first step I've started to go through these threads and purge them of what I consider unnecessary, false, demeaning, or combatitive posts."
I feel demeaned. Please delete above post.
And I wear a size Husky.[banana]

 

[Racpack]

How bout advocating for what is in the best interest of a 19 year old who may be confused. Most PSU fans think PSU has done the right thing. Most RU fans think PSU should do more. That is the natural reaction of passionate fans. Wrestling needs and benefits from passionate fans until we all act like children and attack each other. Realistically, RU will not be PSU in wrestling for manny years if ever. RU is getting better and building a fan solid fan base for all concerned. PSU will win with or with out Suriano.

Can we let this play out and hope the final decision is made in the best interest of Nick Suriano. It has not been stated why he wants to leave PSU and frankly, it is none of my business. Let's support Suriano, our respective teams, and not divide a sport that is losing programs at the high school and college level.

 

[koleszar]

[

As to censorship on the BWI board, I can assure you that fans from other teams have come on that board and accused Penn State wrestling of NCAA violations. The latest case in point was when the financial information of the NLWC came out. To my knowledge none of those fans have been banned. In fact the latest two people to be banned from that board have been Penn State fans who were just stupid over-the-top in their fandom, pretending to be Insiders, yet not adding anything to the conversation. Kid Dagger tried to dip his toes in the trolling water over there and nothing's happened to him, except for getting s*** right back.

Anyway, take it for what it's worth. I just think that society in general is heading down this path of silencing opinions, which historically has led to very bad things.

That's the biggest bunch of horse poppy I've ever read. If anyone posts on BWI with a different view point that's not rah rah sis boom bah psu their post is deleted and either warned or banned. That's why when you read one of their threads it's all psu fans and never anyone from outside the cult. Our mods allow a lot of freedom so stick your censorship meter where the sun doesn't shine because your mods are Stalinesque over there.

 

[nitlion6]

There are many Hawk posts on the BWI site, and in the current Suriano thread on BWI there are numerous posts from Rutgers fans

 

[nitlion6]

How bout advocating for what is in the best interest of a 19 year old who may be confused. Most PSU fans think PSU has done the right thing. Most RU fans think PSU should do more. That is the natural reaction of passionate fans. Wrestling needs and benefits from passionate fans until we all act like children and attack each other. Realistically, RU will not be PSU in wrestling for manny years if ever. RU is getting better and building a fan solid fan base for all concerned. PSU will win with or with out Suriano.

Can we let this play out and hope the final decision is made in the best interest of Nick Suriano. It has not been stated why he wants to leave PSU and frankly, it is none of my business. Let's support Suriano, our respective teams, and not divide a sport that is losing programs at the high school and college level.

That is the thing. To this point Penn State has done what it can. They have granted him a release to Rutgers. Until he enrolls in Rutgers and as a Rutgers student-athlete he writes a request for a wavier to the eligibility rule there is not a wavier for Penn State to support.
Once a request for a wavier to the lost eligibility is submitted Penn State could be ask to support said wavier.

Unless Nick declares a desire to concentrate his studies in an area Rutgers offers, but is absent from Penn State academic opportunities I am uncertain of Penn State's ability to offer support.

A reason of homesickness, or weight conflict, strength-training differences, better scholarship package are all non-starters.

So other than an an area of academic opportunity the other reason(s) for transfer would deal with a grievance or grievances. Penn State is hardly going to support anything that portrays them as having wronged the kid somehow.

 

[nitlion6]

Koleszar,
If you have been banned I would be willing to wager I can name the reason.

 

[ruready07]

This was me trying to get rid of most of the posts in this thread that weren't civil or didn't seem to add to the discussion. And responses accordingly to those posts. Mind you, I also merged both threads on this board, and I have only gone through one of them so far. I'll go through this entire one today and delete more posts and get rid of various PSU posters if I feel they've gone over the line.

I'd just like to point out that, despite it being a Rutgers board, having differing opinions or discussion from an opposing fan isn't against the rules. But there are 2 or 3 posters from PSU that have gone above and beyond that and will be dealt with.

Everything is cool with the pen posters. Some of them are being hard-headed just as some of the rutgers posters are. No big thing