Nick Suriano Status

[ruready07]

Couple things I noticed that need some clearing up:

NS has a hardship argument , maybe even a couple of them. Would you consider it a hardship if a student athlete and his/her family felt they weren't getting the proper medical treatment when needed?

The ps wrestling staff knew about this possibility for at least a couple months

 

[pawrestlersintn]

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That's the biggest bunch of horse poppy I've ever read. If anyone posts on BWI with a different view point that's not rah rah sis boom bah psu their post is deleted and either warned or banned. That's why when you read one of their threads it's all psu fans and never anyone from outside the cult. Our mods allow a lot of freedom so stick your censorship meter where the sun doesn't shine because your mods are Stalinesque over there.

You obviously don't spend much time over there.

 

[pawrestlersintn]

Couple things I noticed that need some clearing up:

NS has a hardship argument , maybe even a couple of them. Would you consider it a hardship if a student athlete and his/her family felt they weren't getting the proper medical treatment when needed?

The ps wrestling staff knew about this possibility for at least a couple months

1. So, Nick's parents are doctors?
2. I find it really interesting that, according to Phila, your 125 pounder was so sure Suriano was coming three months ago that he left, yet the release wasn't requested until August. How did your 125 know?
And, follow-up to that question, how could Cael offer money to another kid, until the release was requested and granted?
Things that make you go hmmm.

 

[ruready07]

1. So, Nick's parents are doctors?
2. I find it really interesting that, according to Phila, your 125 pounder was so sure Suriano was coming three months ago that he left, yet the release wasn't requested until August. How did your 125 know?
And, follow-up to that question, how could Cael offer money to another kid, until the release was requested and granted?
Things that make you go hmmm.

There was a low level of confident that this would happen a couple months ago - I'm not sure for certain, but our 125 leaving wasn't mainly about anyone new coming in.

 

[PSUer1989]

1. So, Nick's parents are doctors?
2. I find it really interesting that, according to Phila, your 125 pounder was so sure Suriano was coming three months ago that he left, yet the release wasn't requested until August. How did your 125 know?
And, follow-up to that question, how could Cael offer money to another kid, until the release was requested and granted?
Things that make you go hmmm.

PA...was it ever made public when Nick and RU were given permission to talk? I would think it had to be before the release it but couldn't find it anywhere. The timeline is certainly questionable in how things played out.

 

[Ole Cabbagehead]

1. So, Nick's parents are doctors?
2. I find it really interesting that, according to Phila, your 125 pounder was so sure Suriano was coming three months ago that he left, yet the release wasn't requested until August. How did your 125 know?
And, follow-up to that question, how could Cael offer money to another kid, until the release was requested and granted?
Things that make you go hmmm.

There are a great many ways Rutgers could have been made aware of Nick's intentions without any tampering having occurred. Not sure why you continue to assert that our staff committed a very baic rules violation.

 

[johnstownsteel]

This was me trying to get rid of most of the posts in this thread that weren't civil or didn't seem to add to the discussion. And responses accordingly to those posts. Mind you, I also merged both threads on this board, and I have only gone through one of them so far. I'll go through this entire one today and delete more posts and get rid of various PSU posters if I feel they've gone over the line.

I'd just like to point out that, despite it being a Rutgers board, having differing opinions or discussion from an opposing fan isn't against the rules. But there are 2 or 3 posters from PSU that have gone above and beyond that and will be dealt with.

I like the way way you go about running things here. They should hire you over on HR to school the mods there on how to go about things. Well done!

 

[El-Jefe]

Couple things I noticed that need some clearing up:

NS has a hardship argument , maybe even a couple of them. Would you consider it a hardship if a student athlete and his/her family felt they weren't getting the proper medical treatment when needed?

The ps wrestling staff knew about this possibility for at least a couple months

If medical mistreatment is the basis for Suriano's waiver claim, then that fully justifies PSU not sending the B10 a waiver recommendation.

Such a letter would be a voluntary admission of medical malpractice, and potentially expose PSU to lawsuits. There might also be implications with patient confidentiality laws.

 

[Media Fan]

If medical mistreatment is the basis for Suriano's waiver claim, then that fully justifies PSU not sending the B10 a waiver recommendation.

Such a letter would be a voluntary admission of medical malpractice, and potentially expose PSU to lawsuits. There might also be implications with patient confidentiality laws.

Medical mistreatment, laughable.

 

[Fzacsattac]

Medical mistreatment, laughable.

ROFLMAO or just LOL?

 

[pawrestlersintn]

There are a great many ways Rutgers could have been made aware of Nick's intentions without any tampering having occurred. Not sure why you continue to assert that our staff committed a very baic rules violation.

That was quite a leap. He could have found out through all kinds of channels. I'm more interested in the confidence that he must have had in the information that he did get, no matter the source, to choose to leave. Cael could not have acted on the information, like your 125 did, until the release was requested, which was too late.

 

[johnstownsteel]

After all of this, would you RU guys get upset if the surianos met with Cael in an attempt to patch things up?

asking for a friend.

 

[BDB57]

I am confused why Cael/PSU needs to be redundant in lobbying for a waiver. I would think that by giving Suriano his release that is essentially saying he is ok with the transfer.

I would also think that if Cael lobbies for the waiver other BIG coaches that don't agree with the waiver situation would feel that Cael/PSU (which obviously has more top recruits and could survive the loss of a top recruit) is making the rule less effective and open the door to those teams losing athletes that are building blocks of their programs

 

[ga.lion]

Bottom line, Cael and/or BIG Committee will make the BIG wrestling conference weaker if they don't let Suriano transfer to RU. If Suriano transfers to an out of conference university, that university and conference will benefit. Way to go CS and/or BIG! I won't even get into the discussion of doing what's best for the student-athlete. Rather than a win-win by giving the transfer, it'll be a lose-lose for BIG, Rutgers and PSU.

#FreeSuriano. I would LOVE to see Suriano at Rutgers, no doubt, especially if that's what Suriano really wants. It would be a great disappointment to watch him wrestle somewhere else and win a Natty for that university and not for a BIG university. Just sad!

I get Cael is pissed losing one of his premier wrestlers. I would be, too. Then, I'd get over it & do what's best for the student-athlete and the BIG. From my limited understanding and in laymen's terms, sounds to me Cael gave a release to only Rutgers but not any "support" whatsoever. That "support" MAY have gone a long way to help the BIG Committee have some wiggle room to possibly grant a waiver given Suriano's circumstances, whatever that may be (his personal business, not ours to know). Cael being so pissed and non-supportive will basically give BIG Committee pause, if not a complete shutdown as to approving any 1 year transfer waiver. Cael's "opinion" and "objection" will go a long way. That's what's so frustrating! That's why I personally lost respect for Cael. OK, you're pissed and certainly don't "have to" support it or even like it, I get that. But, it's inevitable that he's leaving PSU. Now, Cael, I ask "what university and conference would you like to watch Suriano win a Natty for???" It would be nice if Cael thought outside his PSU box. His allegiance should be PSU, then the BIG and of course, the student-athlete. That's IMHO! Despite what he says, maybe Cael will calm down on his rigid opinion and morally do the right thing when he's actually interviewed by the BIG Committee to give them some wiggle room to approve the waiver. One can only hope.

Go RU!
Diane

Wish the young man well but if he chooses to transfer in the Big Ten there is a penalty. Cortez transferred to Penn State and lost a season. This also prevents PSU from stealing another team's 125 pound wrestler to fill their void. Suriano knows the rules.

 

[RU85inFla]

Phila, for the most part it appears that you have been fair in the information that you have removed from this thread. Except for the message from cabbage head telling me to eat s***, another message calling me numbnuts, and those insightful messages regarding Sandusky. And when I say insightful, those types of messages truly tell me who those people are.

That being said, I am not a fan of censorship. Personally, I think it is a slippery slope, and I would rather know that cabbage head thinks I should eat s***, rather than not know. That way I know if he ever invites me for a beer whether to expect a beer, or a punch to the jaw.

The other problem with censorship is that there has been a lot of misinformation or misinterpretation of the rules regarding this situation. By censoring information, you could very well be promoting a fanbase's misunderstanding of the rules. As far as I'm concerned, that's not good. You've seen that several times in this thread, where someone has posted something with misinformation and then the next couple of posters jump on board and say "Yeah that's right!" Even though, it wasn't.

As to censorship on the BWI board, I can assure you that fans from other teams have come on that board and accused Penn State wrestling of NCAA violations. The latest case in point was when the financial information of the NLWC came out. To my knowledge none of those fans have been banned. In fact the latest two people to be banned from that board have been Penn State fans who were just stupid over-the-top in their fandom, pretending to be Insiders, yet not adding anything to the conversation. Kid Dagger tried to dip his toes in the trolling water over there and nothing's happened to him, except for getting s*** right back.

Anyway, take it for what it's worth. I just think that society in general is heading down this path of silencing opinions, which historically has led to very bad things.

Nice lecture on censorship. On these boards you have fans that visit other boards and those that don't. I would guess that 50% of the Rutgers fans that have visited your football board have been banned. You do realize that people reached out when we got in the B1G to lift the bans for more fun between boards.

You guys have a real strange view of reality and no problem making stuff up to support the cause.

 

[PSUer1989]

Nice lecture on censorship. On these boards you have fans that visit other boards and those that don't. I would guess that 50% of the Rutgers fans that have visited your football board have been banned. You do realize that people reached out when we got in the B1G to lift the bans for more fun between boards.

You guys have a real strange view of reality and no problem making stuff up to support the cause.

I am guessing those 50% came over spewing Ped State stuff- and that will get you banned. There were ALOT of brutal RU fans and taking the discussion that direction is NOT considered fun or acceptable...
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/c...g-offensive-banner-psu-game-article-1.1939561

 

[pawrestlersintn]

Nice lecture on censorship. On these boards you have fans that visit other boards and those that don't. I would guess that 50% of the Rutgers fans that have visited your football board have been banned. You do realize that people reached out when we got in the B1G to lift the bans for more fun between boards.

You guys have a real strange view of reality and no problem making stuff up to support the cause.

I spend virtually no time on football boards, and have literally never posted a message on anyone's football board. So, no, I don't realize anything about the ban lifting request you mention. My perception is based 100% on BWI, Scout and HR wrestling boards, and ScarletNation's multi-sport board. And, as I said, there is very little banning that goes on on those sites.

 

[cyrock3]

I am guessing those 50% came over spewing Ped State stuff- and that will get you banned. There were ALOT of brutal RU fans and taking the discussion that direction is NOT considered fun or acceptable...
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/c...g-offensive-banner-psu-game-article-1.1939561

The only thing offensive is that banner was considered offensive. Penn State as a university covered up a serial pedophile for years & their punishment was that they were able to remove a declining head coach & upgrade that position rather quickly. The new coach then got some light sanctions & some throwaway bowl bans.

USC got hit harder than you. Penn State has done nothing to rectify the culture of football worship that lead to this incident in the first place. You still worship the people who turned a blind eye to Sandusky in the first place. So... you deserve to be tarred & feathered with this mark until you do.

You school has no business playing football.

 

[PSUer1989]

The only thing offensive is that banner was considered offensive. Penn State as a university covered up a serial pedophile for years & their punishment was that they were able to remove a declining head coach & upgrade that position rather quickly. The new coach then got some light sanctions & some throwaway bowl bans.

USC got hit harder than you. Penn State has done nothing to rectify the culture of football worship that lead to this incident in the first place. You still worship the people who turned a blind eye to Sandusky in the first place. So... you deserve to be tarred & feathered with this mark until you do.

You school has no business playing football.

So much for talking wrestling... I am glad RU is above reproach...

 

[cyrock3]

So much for talking wrestling... I am glad RU is above reproach...

The Sandusky scandal is something that should color every interaction with your university until you actually take proper steps to move on past it.

A good first step would be condemning the Cult of Paterno.

 

[LETSGORU91]

Well, I guess if Nick's goals are to go 8, 4, 6 like Ashnault, then, yeah, you're right, go to Rutgers.

You know those aren't the goals, and he wouldn't go 8, 4, 6 if he comes to RU.

Nick is open to transfer to Rutgers and will be subject to that school's policies (conference or otherwise) on transfer and eligibility status. We support and work within the Big Ten policy."

Translated, it appears the Big Ten, and not Penn State, is standing in the way of Suriano wrestling for the Scarlet Knights during the 2017-2018 season. The original report suggested otherwise, but either way, the matter now appears to be solved, at least as far as PSU is concerned.

1. So, Nick's parents are doctors?
2. I find it really interesting that, according to Phila, your 125 pounder was so sure Suriano was coming three months ago that he left, yet the release wasn't requested until August. How did your 125 know?
And, follow-up to that question, how could Cael offer money to another kid, until the release was requested and granted?
Things that make you go hmmm.

His parents don't have to be doctors to state something that may be very obvious. Or maybe they consulted and independent physician for advice, who knows?

 

[LETSGORU91]

I painfully tried to weed through 12 god awful pages of this rhetoric over the past few days. I have not seen any mention of NS taking a redshirt. Is that a possibility? Am I missing something? Take a redshirt and sit out the year. Then have 3 years to wrestle 3. I know this is done in football, but are there different rules in wrestling?

 

[PSUcup1]

I painfully tried to weed through 12 god awful pages of this rhetoric over the past few days. I have not seen any mention of NS taking a redshirt. Is that a possibility? Am I missing something? Take a redshirt and sit out the year. Then have 3 years to wrestle 3. I know this is done in football, but are there different rules in wrestling?

He can take a red shirt year, but will still only have 2 years left of eligibility due to the Big10 own in-conference transfer rules.

 

[nitlion6]

The Sandusky scandal is something that should color every interaction with your university until you actually take proper steps to move on past it.

A good first step would be condemning the Cult of Paterno.

Idiot alert.
Now if I was the mod, the minute some limited intellect stooped to the "shut-up you Sandusky person" I would have no problem seNing that particular idiot to the banded showers.

Just saying.

 

[LETSGORU91]

He can take a red shirt year, but will still only have 2 years left of eligibility due to the Big10 own in-conference transfer rules.[/QUOTE

OK, thanks. I thought the redshirt may have been utilized during that sit out time.

 

[mandfense]

Serious question for the PSU posters: If Suriano is granted a waiver by the Big 10, will you be happy for the kid that he gets to wrestle next year or pissed off that he doesn't have to sit?

 

[pawrestlersintn]

And so, this turns into a serious wrestling discussion.
What do you think his results would be if:

A) he does not get the waiver, has to sit this year and has three years to wrestle two years of eligibility?
b) he does get the waiver, can wrestle immediately and has four years to wrestle three years of eligibility?

 

[pawrestlersintn]

Serious question for the PSU posters: If Suriano is granted a waiver by the Big 10, will you be happy for the kid that he gets to wrestle next year or pissed off that he doesn't have to sit?

I can't speak for everyone, but I'll be perfectly happy for him if he gets the waiver. I think I've made it pretty clear what my stance on PSU support for the waiver is, however. If you don't know, wade back through the last 12 pages. :grimace:

 

[johnstownsteel]

Serious question for the PSU posters: If Suriano is granted a waiver by the Big 10, will you be happy for the kid that he gets to wrestle next year or pissed off that he doesn't have to sit?

I'll be upset for all those that have lost a year in the past like Cortez. As for wishing ill will that would just be silly. These are kids we are talking about. And yes, although technically Suriano is an adult they are still kids in their thinking in a lot of ways. I was that age once and know from experience.

I will be indifferent to him as far as wishing for success, I reserve that for those that wrestle for PSU or those kids that are from Pennsylvania that I've followed and gotten to know.

 

[csiebott]

Serious question for the PSU posters: If Suriano is granted a waiver by the Big 10, will you be happy for the kid that he gets to wrestle next year or pissed off that he doesn't have to sit?

I'd be happy for him, how can you hold ill will for a 19 year old kid who changes his mind about something. I don't know nuthin' bout no transfer rules. He's one of a handful of wrestlers who could go unbeaten three years in a row and as a wrestling fan that's exciting.

 

[johnstownsteel]

Serious question for the PSU posters: If Suriano is granted a waiver by the Big 10, will you be happy for the kid that he gets to wrestle next year or pissed off that he doesn't have to sit?

What if Nick decides losing a season isn't worth it and decides to stay at PSU. Are you going to be pissed at Nick for him wanting to keep that year of eligibility rather than sacrificing it to be home and wrestling for the hometown school and fans.

 

[Clearscreen25]

What if Nick decides losing a season isn't worth it and decides to stay at PSU. Are you going to be pissed at Nick for him wanting to keep that year of eligibility rather than sacrificing it to be home and wrestling for the hometown school and fans.

I will be disappointed, of course. But I will also respect the young man made a wrestling decision that he believes is best for his wrestling career, which he only can do for 3 more years of college.

 

[johnstownsteel]

I will be disappointed, of course. But I will also respect the young man made a wrestling decision that he believes is best for his wrestling career, which he only can do for 3 more years of college.

I'll add this...

After college I moved to North Carolina because where I'm from in Western Pa, jobs are few and far between and I wanted better. Anyway, I was 21 years old. Not exactly a kid but still a child in my thinking in a lot of ways. If Nick is homesick and feels out of place, I can certainly understand. Western Pa was all I had known, my family and friends were here and I missed home terribly.... I was miserable and I certainly wouldn't want Nick or anyone else for the matter dealing with homesickness the way I did.

 

[Clearscreen25]

I believe most people following this saga are real wrestling fans. I hate to see any kid, especially one at Nick's level, lose a year of eligibility in a sport where they are not preparing for the NBA or NFL. These kids are not making millions of dollars from wrestling. They do it because they love it and that's why most us love it as well. As a wrestling fan, I want to see every kid able to wrestle their full eligibility, except for disciplinary situations of course. I want to enjoy watching him all 4 years, hopefully 3 of them at RU.

 

[LETSGORU91]

And so, this turns into a serious wrestling discussion.
What do you think his results would be if:

A) he does not get the waiver, has to sit this year and has three years to wrestle two years of eligibility?
b) he does get the waiver, can wrestle immediately and has four years to wrestle three years of eligibility?

I think if he wants to wrestle closer to his family and wants to continue to compete in the best wrestling conference around, he will wrestle at Rutgers under either scenario. Of course he has other choices to wrestle near home, but they don't involve the B1G.

If he wants to wrestle as many years as possible and win a potential 3 championships, he needs (b) or another school outside the B1G.

So, it depends on what he is thinking and/or how the waiver process plays out...

 

[matter7172]

A) he does not get the waiver, has to sit this year and has three years to wrestle two years of eligibility?

This is one thing that has puzzled me and I can't find any clear answer. Since he wrestled during his true freshman year and has not used his redshirt, I think he would have four years to wrestle two. I don't know what he would do with the one other year (since he would have to be at Rutgers for a full academic year before he could wrestle for the team - that takes one year) but theoretically he could take four years total to wrestle his two.

 

[RUpop]

What if Nick decides losing a season isn't worth it and decides to stay at PSU. Are you going to be pissed at Nick for him wanting to keep that year of eligibility rather than sacrificing it to be home and wrestling for the hometown school and fans.

I'd feel the same way that I did when he initially elected to go to Penn State, disappointed but wish him the best of luck....except when he wrestles against RU ;)

 

[nitlion6]

Serious question for the PSU posters: If Suriano is granted a waiver by the Big 10, will you be happy for the kid that he gets to wrestle next year or pissed off that he doesn't have to sit?

Personally I wish the kid well.
Just wondering. Does anybody know why there hasn't been an announcement about the addition of Nick to the Rutgers wrestling team?

 

[johnstownsteel]

Personally I wish the kid well.
Just wondering. Does anybody know why there hasn't been an announcement about the addition of Nick to the Rutgers wrestling team?

Has there been an announcement that he is no longer on the PSU wrestling team? I know he's no longer listed on the roster but has there been any official announcement from Cael or PSU?

 

[Racpack]

If Nick makes a decision in his best interest, I will be happy. As a Rutgers fan, I would love him at Rutgers. But, this is his life and I would wish him the best if he stays at PSU. What bothers me is the negativity and sometimes viciousness of the discussion. I am not proud of what Flood and Mike Rice did. I am sure that PSU fans are not proud of Sandusky. Let's hope the outcome is in Nick's best interest. I remain a passionate RU fan who refuses to denigrate other teams.