Most people in the college wrestling world that are educated on the details of this topic are appalled at Cael.
They side with Jay Bilas on this issue.
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Most people in the college wrestling world that are educated on the details of this topic are appalled at Cael.
They side with Jay Bilas on this issue.
Penn State can send their written approval of the transfer to Rutgers now by emailing that approval to the B1G now. There is no reason to wait other than to make things difficult for NS.
I really don't think its fair either way. Before you criticize Cael, you have to know that he could have done something differently. Now, we can say, even if the Big Ten wouldn't consider it, nothing prevents Cael from coming out publicly and simply saying that he would like to see the Big Ten give Suriano a waiver.
Well, that's fine and well, but what if Suriano's hardship claim is that Cael is committing NCAA infractions left and right, and he does not want to be a part of a rogue program that doesn't follow the rules? Without knowing the hardship claim, we cannot judge Cael for not saying anything publicly.
PS - WTF with this thread. Now I am arguing a pro-PSU position to a PSU poster, who is arguing the RU side? This is bizzarro world.
PSU Power stop bringing up the NCAA one time transfer exception over and over. And most conferences have a severe penalty for transferring in the Conference. Phillipi just transferred about 3 weeks ago from Virginia to Pitt(also to be closer to home) and he lost a year of competition.
Here is the wording
From the RU website
Big Ten Intraconference Transfer Rule
Any student-athlete who has signed a financial aid agreement ("Big Ten Tender") with another Big Ten school may not represent a second Big Ten school in competition without first serving a full year-in-residence (i.e., sitting out a year). That student-athlete is also subject to the loss of one season of competition. Exceptions are granted if a student-athlete's National Letter of Intent has been declared null and void.
NOTE: The Big Ten intraconference transfer rule supersedes the NCAA transfer regulations. Therefore, student-athletes cannot utilize the NCAA transfer exceptions to avoid Big Ten transfer penalties.
Here is the wording
From the RU website
Big Ten Intraconference Transfer Rule
Any student-athlete who has signed a financial aid agreement ("Big Ten Tender") with another Big Ten school may not represent a second Big Ten school in competition without first serving a full year-in-residence (i.e., sitting out a year). That student-athlete is also subject to the loss of one season of competition. Exceptions are granted if a student-athlete's National Letter of Intent has been declared null and void.
NOTE: The Big Ten intraconference transfer rule supersedes the NCAA transfer regulations. Therefore, student-athletes cannot utilize the NCAA transfer exceptions to avoid Big Ten transfer penalties.
I'm certain that Cael/Penn State has access to the forms for processing approvals for a One-Time Transfer Exception. Every NCAA institution should have them.
They can be emailed to the B1G and NCAA whenever a transfer is requested and approved.
My understanding is that Cael has already told Rutgers that he won't approve a B1G waiver though, but, that I can't confirm. I believe that others have confirmed that in this thread.
The ACC has similar transfer restrictions for intraconference transfers to those of the B1G. But, most D1 Wrestling conferences don't and there are only 6 wrestling programs in the ACC total. The B1G has 14 wrestling programs.
Phillippi's transfer to Pitt gives Pitt Wrestling a competitive advantage over Virginia Wrestling.
NS transfer to Rutgers would not give Rutgers Wrestling a competitive advantage over Penn State Wrestling.
B1G transfer restrictions do not supersede or replace NCAA transfer restrictions in any way, shape or form. B1G transfer restrictions are in addition to NCAA transfer restrictions and when they are waived all that remains are NCAA transfer restrictions.
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PSU, I am with you on transfers as I think the student athlete is always the one on the short end of the stick. And you might want to look up each wrestling conference intra conference rules. But I think you are matching up rules to fit your agenda. And a competitive advantage is just something you are making up. I could say Nick Suriano transferring to any school is a competitive advantage for the school he ends up attending(he is a hell of alot better than anyone PSU would put on the mat).
Grade A post right there folks. Some of your fellow Rutgers fans could learn a thing or two from you.... That includes your supposed "insiders"...
Why didn't they all get together after Cortez was denied a year and demand the league do something about the rule?
So your argument is now that because PSU is so much better than RU they operate under a different criteria for decision making?
Give it up. @Ole Cabbagehead is right on the mark here and has been for a while. It is impossible to make judgements on the individuals or institutions in this scenario because NO ONE is fully aware of all the details on both sides. Depending on the circumstances, either party could be in the wrong or right, or, more likely, each side has some legitimate points from their POV.
I'm well aware of the intraconference transfer restrictions of every D1 Wrestling conference in the country. You obviously aren't.
NS would not give Rutgers Wrestling a competitive advantage over Penn State Wrestling and you know it.
You are just trying to protect Cael Sanderson.
Get real. Let the student athlete wrestle where he wants.
If NS transfers to Rutgers, it will not give Rutgers any chance whatsoever of beating Penn State in wrestling during the next 3 years.
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I've been trying to get them to since before Cortez transferred. But, their argument was that Cortez didn't have enough of a reason to justify a B1G waiver and that he was giving Penn State Wrestling an even bigger competitive advantage over Illinois Wrestling.
The B1G doesn't want any B1G program to gain a competitive advantage over another thru B1G to B1G transfers, unless there is a very compeling reason to do so.
That is why the additional B1G transfer restrictions were instituted beyond standard NCAA transfer restrictions.
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They might not have any chance of beating them but it would surely give them an advantage as they would win 125 which they otherwise would lose. By the way, tell us all what you have done pre Cortez to change the rule. And who do you represent that would even have an interest in doing so. Sounds like baloney to me. Are you sure you are not Scarlet Spyker? And how would you know any of the reasons for Cortez and if he even asked for a waiver?
Why in the hell would I try and protect Cael Sanderson? I already told you I think the transfer rules stink. But you are quoting half truths and making shit up as you go. There is no such thing in any transfer rules that talks about competitive advantage. And you said the BigTen was the only conference, then it was pointed out that the ACC also had it. Are you sure the Pac10 and Big12 do not have similar rules to the Big and ACC?
I was leaning towards Scarlet 21Guns/SudburyLion.
He's lucky PhilaPhans got here first!
I think you'd be guessing wrong.
I haven't quoted any half truths. Every statement I have made is completely true whether it fits your agenda or not. I never said that the reason for the B1G's additional intraconfernce transfer restrictions were listed within the rules themselves. Please point out any post that I made that stated that the B1G was the only conference that had intraconference transfer restrictions or just stop making things up. I'm waiting...
Well if they are not listed in the rules how in the world would you know? Show us your proof that these are facts. Your are digging a deeper hole.
NS will be the 2018 champion in the EIWA or ACC. One of those conferences is going to get a hell of a wrestler.
Were the reasons for the Ten Commandments provided along with the Ten Comandments ?
Think without an agenda for a moment.
Why do you think the B1G instituted additional transfer restrictions for B1G to B1G transfers ?
do these penn staters have a job? apparently not for every one post arguing for rutgers, they tag up to post. cael must be paying a lot of money to them to protect his image on the web.
Just on this page alone you said below,
"Phillippi's transfer to Pitt gives Pitt Wrestling a competitive advantage over Virginia Wrestling.
NS transfer to Rutgers would not give Rutgers Wrestling a competitive advantage over Penn State Wrestling.
B1G transfer restrictions do not supersede or replace NCAA transfer restrictions in any way, shape or form. B1G transfer restrictions are in addition to NCAA transfer restrictions and when they are waived all that remains are NCAA transfer restrictions."
Competitive advantage does not come into any transfer situation. You are implying Phillippi should sit and Suriano should not.
And your Big transfer restrictions statement above are in direct opposition of what is on the Rutgers compliance page. Copied below
From the RU website
Big Ten Intraconference Transfer Rule
Any student-athlete who has signed a financial aid agreement ("Big Ten Tender") with another Big Ten school may not represent a second Big Ten school in competition without first serving a full year-in-residence (i.e., sitting out a year). That student-athlete is also subject to the loss of one season of competition. Exceptions are granted if a student-athlete's National Letter of Intent has been declared null and void.
NOTE: The Big Ten intraconference transfer rule supersedes the NCAA transfer regulations. Therefore, student-athletes cannot utilize the NCAA transfer exceptions to avoid Big Ten transfer penalties.
Pennsylvania State University in State College, reports an 83% job placement rate.
http://www.onlineschoolscenter.com/30-colleges-impressive-job-placement-rates-career-services/
And you know psupower has nothing to do with Penn State.
Actually we're in our offices looking for shit to pass the time. When you come off the floor or get a 15 minute break, by all means join us...
I can confirm that Cael told us they would not support the waiver. Fact! I also retract my "NS will never go back to PSU" earlier statement. After thinking about it, if NS does not get a waiver soon he will not come to RU. Therefore, he has no where else to go so he wants to wrestle and PSU is his only option. He returns to PSU and I will root for him whenever he wrestles
You said a lot of things that were false, misleading or just plain fabricated. Here are a few, and the list is not exhaustive.
This was very misleading because all of the major conferences with a broad range of sports at the most highly-competitive levels have stricter-than-NCAA intraconference transfer rules - the SEC, ACC, Big 12 and Pac 12 all have similar rules.
This is entirely fabricated and false. Someone in one of the Suriano threads listed the feedback on Bilas' tweet and it was very underwhelming.
You have made up the "competitive advantage" criterion, which qualifies as "false" because you are stating a criterion that doesn't exist does, in fact, exist. As you have described it, a transfer has to make school 2 better in a sport than team 1 to trigger the conference rule. In the first place, such a criterion is nonsensical on so many levels and incapable of implementation since the effect of the transfer could never be measured until *after* the transfer took place. Secondly, just on a rational level, Suriano being at Rutgers gives them a competitive advantage over Penn State at 125 unless Penn State can find a better wrestler (very hard to do since he is most likely the top wrestler at the weight class). So even if the criterion were real, it *would* be triggered in this instance.
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How can you confirm this? Are you a coach that spoke to Cael? Did a coach tell you this? How is that crow tasting?
We've already covered the competitive advantage aspect.
Where is the post that you claimed I made stating that the B1G was the only conference that had intraconference transfer restrictions ?
Still waiting...
You wouldn't happen to be "inside" enough to give us a reason Cael is against supporting the waiver would you? I mean after all, that's the confirmation most of us are looking for while deciding to either applaud Cael or burn him at the stake.
You just continue to ignore reality.
All of the statements that I made are clearly true.
I'm sorry that many of those statements don't fit your agenda. I've tried to help you, but, I guess I can't.
PS
The SEC doesn't even have a wrestling conference. I listed all of the D1 Wrestling conferences for you earlier in this thread and I'm not repeating them.
SMH. If you can confirm it, then please do so.
In the meantime, you are really twisting yourself up in proclaiming what Suriano will and will not do. A third alternative to your two is that he continues his academic career at PSU fall semester, doesn't wrestle, and then transfers to a non-B1G school in the spring. Maybe wrestles unattached (shirts) the whole season until all his ducks are back in a row.
Personally, I believe this year is his best shot at winning a title (if his head is on straight), and so it may behoove him to continue wrestling for PSU. But I'm not going to claim definitively what he is going to do, because I haven't talked to him. Sounds like you haven't either.
It's nice to see people that actually care about NS, the student athlete.
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