Nick Suriano Status

[rondi]

Bottom line, Cael and/or BIG Committee will make the BIG wrestling conference weaker if they don't let Suriano transfer to RU. If Suriano transfers to an out of conference university, that university and conference will benefit. Way to go CS and/or BIG! I won't even get into the discussion of doing what's best for the student-athlete. Rather than a win-win by giving the transfer, it'll be a lose-lose for BIG, Rutgers and PSU.

#FreeSuriano. I would LOVE to see Suriano at Rutgers, no doubt, especially if that's what Suriano really wants. It would be a great disappointment to watch him wrestle somewhere else and win a Natty for that university and not for a BIG university. Just sad!

I get Cael is pissed losing one of his premier wrestlers. I would be, too. Then, I'd get over it & do what's best for the student-athlete and the BIG. From my limited understanding and in laymen's terms, sounds to me Cael gave a release to only Rutgers but not any "support" whatsoever. That "support" MAY have gone a long way to help the BIG Committee have some wiggle room to possibly grant a waiver given Suriano's circumstances, whatever that may be (his personal business, not ours to know). Cael being so pissed and non-supportive will basically give BIG Committee pause, if not a complete shutdown as to approving any 1 year transfer waiver. Cael's "opinion" and "objection" will go a long way. That's what's so frustrating! That's why I personally lost respect for Cael. OK, you're pissed and certainly don't "have to" support it or even like it, I get that. But, it's inevitable that he's leaving PSU. Now, Cael, I ask "what university and conference would you like to watch Suriano win a Natty for???" It would be nice if Cael thought outside his PSU box. His allegiance should be PSU, then the BIG and of course, the student-athlete. That's IMHO! Despite what he says, maybe Cael will calm down on his rigid opinion and morally do the right thing when he's actually interviewed by the BIG Committee to give them some wiggle room to approve the waiver. One can only hope.

Go RU!
Diane

 

[PSUPOWER]

Bottom line, Cael and/or BIG Committee will make the BIG wrestling conference weaker if they don't let Suriano transfer to RU. If Suriano transfers to an out of conference university, that university and conference will benefit. Way to go CS and/or BIG! I won't even get into the discussion of doing what's best for the student-athlete. Rather than a win-win by giving the transfer, it'll be a lose-lose for BIG, Rutgers and PSU.

#FreeSuriano. I would LOVE to see Suriano at Rutgers, no doubt, especially if that's what Suriano really wants. It would be a great disappointment to watch him wrestle somewhere else and win a Natty for that university and not for a BIG university. Just sad!

I get Cael is pissed losing one of his premier wrestlers. I would be, too. Then, I'd get over it & do what's best for the student-athlete and the BIG. From my limited understanding and in laymen's terms, sounds to me Cael gave a release to only Rutgers but not any "support" whatsoever. That "support" MAY have gone a long way to help the BIG Committee have some wiggle room to possibly grant a waiver given Suriano's circumstances, whatever that may be (his personal business, not ours to know). Cael being so pissed and non-supportive will basically give BIG Committee pause, if not a complete shutdown as to approving any 1 year transfer waiver. Cael's "opinion" will go a long way. That's what's so frustrating! That's why I personally lost respect for Cael. OK, you're pissed and certainly don't "have to" support it or even like it, I get that. But, it's inevitable that he's leaving PSU. Now, Cael, I ask "what university and conference would you like to watch Suriano to win a Natty for???" It would be nice if Cael thought outside his PSU box. His allegiance should be PSU, then the BIG and of course, the student-athlete. That's IMHO! Despite what he says, maybe Cael will calm down on his rigid opinion and morally do the right thing when he's actually interviewed by the BIG Committee to give them some wiggle room to approve the waiver. One can only hope.

Go RU!
Diane

Here is a list of a few NCAA transfer exceptions:

http://www.athleticscholarships.net/ncaa-transfer-exceptions.htm

Note that is states that when transferring from an NCAA school, the athlete’s previous school must state in writing that they have no objection to the athlete using a one-time transfer exception.

Nick Suriano has a reason for wanting to go home to finish his education. He learned that during his first year at Penn State. Yet, he finished the year out and helped Penn State's Wrestling team as best he could until he got injured.

Why should Nick Suriano have to forfeit a year of eligibility to go home to finish his education if that is what he wants to do and his transfer doesn't put Penn State at a competitive disadvantage ?

 

[rondi]

Exactly, PSUPower!

Go RU!
Diane

 

[RU85inFla]

Here is a list of a few NCAA transfer exceptions:

http://www.athleticscholarships.net/ncaa-transfer-exceptions.htm

Note that is states that when transferring from an NCAA school, the athlete’s previous school must state in writing that they have no objection to the athlete using a one-time transfer exception.

Nick Suriano has a reason for wanting to go home to finish his education. He learned that during his first year at Penn State. Yet, he finished the year out and helped Penn State's Wrestling team as best he could until he got injured.

Why should Nick Suriano have to forfeit a year of eligibility to go home to finish his education if that is what he wants to do and his transfer doesn't put Penn State at a competitive disadvantage ?

I read hundreds of posts from PSU folks saying there is nothing that CS/PSU can do with respect to the waiver. Then we get the facts and find out all of that is not true. The need actually put it in writing like the RU guys have said. Maybe we need a do-over on this thread. Delete it since 99% of what the PSU guys have been arguing is just flat out wrong and start over. It will give them time to re-group and make up more shit.

 

[matter7172]

Why should Nick Suriano have to forfeit a year of eligibility to go home to finish his education if that is what he wants to do and his transfer doesn't put Penn State at a competitive disadvantage ?

One, it's a B1G rule at issue, not an NCAA rule.
Two, because that's the B1G rule. It can be changed, but it's doubtful it will applied retroactively.
Three, that's not the criterion for the B1G decision.

It's really not rocket science. It's a simple choice for Suriano and it always has been. If he *really* wants to transfer to Rutgers or any other B1G school, he has to give up a year of competition. Those were the terms and conditions to which he agreed. And it was, by far, the most likely outcome. It's not like he was sandbagged. Cortez was willing to do it. Micic was willing to do it if you read his interviews when he was transferring to Michigan. If he wants to wrestle at Rutgers that badly, it should be an easy choice.

 

[rondi]

Matter, if Suriano has a chance to stay in the BIG conference and not be penalized or let go to join another conference, do you agree that whatever anyone can do to help that, should be done? I understand the rules and ramifications. But, I'm just asking you that one question.

Go RU!
Diane

 

[matter7172]

Matter, if Suriano has a chance to stay in the BIG conference and not be penalized or let go to join another conference, do you agree that whatever anyone can do to help that, should be done? I understand the rules and ramifications. But, I'm just asking you that one question.

Go RU!
Diane

Nope. He should get the same treatment as anyone else. Why do you feel he is entitled to special treatment?

 

[rondi]

Ok, Matter, I respect your position of being indifferent as to the BIG conference and rules are rules. However, my allegiance is to RU then BIG. I'd like to see Suriano wrestle for RU/BIG and keep him in the conference, if that's in any way possible. We don't know ALL the reasons and if there are extenuating circumstances, I'd prefer to give the student-athlete the benefit of the doubt and not be an obstacle in achieving that goal. I don't consider that "special treatment". I consider that being human and it's certainly subjective. Anyone can be rigid as much as they can be flexible in any given situation. Take a brief look at the criminal court system...punishment is not equally distributed and subjective. We are just talking about a student-athlete here. #FreeSuriano

Go RU!
Diane

 

[Jim_from_RU]

This whole thread is brutal. :popcorn:

 

[matter7172]

And "penalized" is a misleading term. If I agree to buy something from you at a particular price under stated terms and conditions and I later try to alter the price, terms or conditions, am I being "penalized" by being required to complete the purchase at the agree-upon price, terms and/or conditions?

 

[PSUPOWER]

One, it's a B1G rule at issue, not an NCAA rule.
Two, because that's the B1G rule. It can be changed, but it's doubtful it will applied retroactively.
Three, that's not the criterion for the B1G decision.

It's really not rocket science. It's a simple choice for Suriano and it always has been. If he *really* wants to transfer to Rutgers or any other B1G school, he has to give up a year of competition. Those were the terms and conditions to which he agreed. And it was, by far, the most likely outcome. It's not like he was sandbagged. Cortez was willing to do it. Micic was willing to do it if you read his interviews when he was transferring to Michigan. If he wants to wrestle at Rutgers that badly, it should be an easy choice.

Your Cortez and Micic examples are close to the antithesis of the Suriano scenario.

Cortez and Micic both transferred away from home to go to schools that aided those recipient schools in attaining a competive advantage over the schools they departed from.

Suriano wants to transfer to return home to a school that would not provide the recipient school with any competitive advantage over the school he departed from at all.

 

[rondi]

Matter, it's not the same. Again, I get and respect your position, I just don't agree with it.

Go RU!
Diane

 

[TRU2RU]

Nope. He should get the same treatment as anyone else. Why do you feel he is entitled to special treatment?

I wonder if matter would feel different if it was his son or daughter in the same situation?

 

[matter7172]

Your Cortez and Micic examples are close to the antithesis of the Suriano scenario.

Cortez and Micic both transferred away from home to go to schools that aided those recipient school in attaining a competive advantage over the schools they departed from.

Suriano wants to transfer to return home to a school that would not provide the recipient school with any competitive advantage over the school he departed from at all.

Actually, there may not even have been a spot for Cortez at Illinois. And that's not part of the equation except in your mind. In other words, you are making it up.

I wonder if matter would feel different if it was his son or daughter in the same situation?

Would I feel differently? No. It was be a great opportunity for a valuable life lesson. Doing otherwise would be a terrible example.

 

[pawrestlersintn]

Here is a list of a few NCAA transfer exceptions:

http://www.athleticscholarships.net/ncaa-transfer-exceptions.htm

Note that is states that when transferring from an NCAA school, the athlete’s previous school must state in writing that they have no objection to the athlete using a one-time transfer exception.

Nick Suriano has a reason for wanting to go home to finish his education. He learned that during his first year at Penn State. Yet, he finished the year out and helped Penn State's Wrestling team as best he could until he got injured.

Why should Nick Suriano have to forfeit a year of eligibility to go home to finish his education if that is what he wants to do and his transfer doesn't put Penn State at a competitive disadvantage ?

For someone who claims (pretends?) to be a student-athlete advocate, you have a poor grasp on the subject matter. For that matter, I could have saved you the trouble and the embarrassment of looking this up and pretending to know what you're talking about. I've read it all.

1. What is the very first acronym on the link? NCAA. Is NCAA the same as B1G? No. The Suriano situation is about the B1G, not the NCAA.
2. What is that "no objection" bullet point in relation to? The release. And, guess what? Penn State clearly states that they issued a release to Suriano to go to Rutgers. It has NOTHING to do with a B1G waiver to the year's loss of eligibility.

Is there anything else that you need explained to you?

 

[PSUPOWER]

Actually, there may not even have been a spot for Cortez at Illinois. And that's not part of the equation except in your mind. In other words, you are making it up.



Would I feel differently? No. It was be a great opportunity for a valuable life lesson. Doing otherwise would be a terrible example.

The reason that additional transfer restrictions for B1G to B1G transfers that are beyond the standard NCAA transfer restrictions were instituted by the B1G was to prevent B1G teams from getting a competitive advantage over their B1G conference peers thru B1G to B1G transfers.

 

[pawrestlersintn]

I read hundreds of posts from PSU folks saying there is nothing that CS/PSU can do with respect to the waiver. Then we get the facts and find out all of that is not true. The need actually put it in writing like the RU guys have said. Maybe we need a do-over on this thread. Delete it since 99% of what the PSU guys have been arguing is just flat out wrong and start over. It will give them time to re-group and make up more shit.

Before you and your buddies go high fiving each other in the end zone (as if Rutgers could even find one), you might want to read the last couple of posts. Just because you want to believe psupower's information, doesn't make it correct.

 

[satnom]

Rarely come here but love seeing PSU posters slapping each other around on RU board.

GO RU

 

[PSUPOWER]

For someone who claims (pretends?) to be a student-athlete advocate, you have a poor grasp on the subject matter. For that matter, I could have saved you the trouble and the embarrassment of looking this up and pretending to know what you're talking about. I've read it all.

1. What is the very first acronym on the link? NCAA. Is NCAA the same as B1G? No. The Suriano situation is about the B1G, not the NCAA.
2. What is that "no objection" bullet point in relation to? The release. And, guess what? Penn State clearly states that they issued a release to Suriano to go to Rutgers. It has NOTHING to do with a B1G waiver to the year's loss of eligibility.

Is there anything else that you need explained to you?

I hope you realize that the B1G is an NCAA Conference.

 

[matter7172]

Rarely come here but love seeing PSU posters slapping each other around on RU board.

GO RU

No offense, but from reading PSUPOWER's posts, I'd be suprised if he is a "Penn State poster". If you do a search of "PSUPOWER" on the BWI board, you get a "No results" outcome.

https://bwi.forums.rivals.com/search/1742180/?q=psupower&o=date&c[node]=16

 

[pawrestlersintn]

The reason that additional transfer restrictions for B1G to B1G transfers that are beyond the standard NCAA transfer restrictions were instituted by the B1G was to prevent B1G teams from getting a competitive advantage over their B1G conference peers thru B1G to B1G transfers.

So, if there is no competitive advantage and Nick has a legitimate reason for transfer, maybe the committee will see it that way.

 

[pawrestlersintn]

I hope you realize that the B1G is an NCAA Conference.

That's what you got out of that?

Yeah, I do realize that, and I hope that you realize that the B1G has a set of rules that, presumably, the NCAA is aware of and has not forced the B1G to change.

 

[PSU_Nut]

Here is a list of a few NCAA transfer exceptions:

http://www.athleticscholarships.net/ncaa-transfer-exceptions.htm

Note that is states that when transferring from an NCAA school, the athlete’s previous school must state in writing that they have no objection to the athlete using a one-time transfer exception.

Nick Suriano has a reason for wanting to go home to finish his education. He learned that during his first year at Penn State. Yet, he finished the year out and helped Penn State's Wrestling team as best he could until he got injured.

Why should Nick Suriano have to forfeit a year of eligibility to go home to finish his education if that is what he wants to do and his transfer doesn't put Penn State at a competitive disadvantage ?

Because that the rules Nick, Rutgers, and Penn State agreed to when they joined the conference. Why should he be above the agreed upon rules? It puts Penn State at a competitive disadvantage because guys transferring out don't have to sit out yet guys transferring into Penn State has to. If Penn State allows it for Nick it set a bad precedent for future transfer. If the rule changes it should be done at the B1G level not individual schools. They should all follow the same agreed upon rules until it changes.

 

[PSUPOWER]

Before you and your buddies go high fiving each other in the end zone (as if Rutgers could even find one), you might want to read the last couple of posts. Just because you want to believe psupower's information, doesn't make it correct.

Please advise us of what incorrect information I have provided Mr. expert.

I haven't learned anything from you other than you seem to be extremely concerned about how much eligibility Nick Suriano should have.

Why do you care so much ?

He won't be wrestling for Penn State anymore.

Student athletes have rights too you know.

 

[PSUPOWER]

That's what you got out of that?

Yeah, I do realize that, and I hope that you realize that the B1G has a set of rules that, presumably, the NCAA is aware of and has not forced the B1G to change.

I'm aware of that. I also know the difference between right and wrong. And I'm also aware that the B1G grants waivers for special situations.

 

[pawrestlersintn]

Please advise us of what incorrect information I have provided Mr. expert.

I haven't learned anything from you other than you seem to be extremely concerned about how much eligibility Nick Suriano should have.

Why do you care so much ?

He won't be wrestling for Penn State anymore.

Student athletes have rights too you know.

You conflated NCAA rules with B1G rules, for starters.

 

[pawrestlersintn]

I'm aware of that. And I also know the difference between right and wrong.

Then your argument is with B1G, not with Cael Sanderson or Penn State.

 

[matter7172]

I'm aware of that. And I also know the difference between right and wrong.

Really?

According to you:

Entitlement = right
Living up to your agreement = wrong

I think you've got things upside down.

 

[PSU_Nut]

Your Cortez and Micic examples are close to the antithesis of the Suriano scenario.

Cortez and Micic both transferred away from home to go to schools that aided those recipient schools in attaining a competive advantage over the schools they departed from.

Suriano wants to transfer to return home to a school that would not provide the recipient school with any competitive advantage over the school he departed from at all.

Where in the rule does it say a close to home exception?

How can you not say he doesn't give Rutgers a competitive advantage? He makes Rutgers a better program. That a competitive advantage.

 

[PSU_Nut]

I wonder if matter would feel different if it was his son or daughter in the same situation?

I would advise them that when they signed their letter of financial aide that you agreed to these terms. You can't cry now you want to come home. You agreed to these rules so abide by them. It would teach them a valuable lesson to make sure they know what they are agreeing to.

 

[PSUPOWER]

You conflated NCAA rules with B1G rules, for starters.

I provided an accurate list of NCAA transfer exceptions for the thread. What is incorrect about that ?

 

[matter7172]

Where in the rule does it say a close to home exception?

How can you not say he doesn't give Rutgers a competitive advantage? He makes Rutgers a better program. That a competitive advantage.

To be fair, I don't think "competitive advantage" is part of the B1G decision-making process for the individual cases. It may well have been part of the rationale for the rule. But PSUPOWER is basically making it up as he goes.

When you look at it objectively, there is a tremendous competitive disadvantage inflicted upon Penn State by Suriano leaving, so I don't know that's a fruitful avenue to go down.

 

[matter7172]

I provided an accurate list of NCAA transfer exceptions for the thread. What is inaccurate about that ?

It's inaccurate because it's irrelevant and extraneous.

 

[RU93]

Why are the penn staters on our board and posting every other second? Nick is not returning. Let it go! And you are not adding any new info.

 

[matter7172]

Why are the penn staters on our board and posting every other second? Nick is not returning. Let it go! And you are not adding any new info.

It's a message board? :confused:

 

[PSUPOWER]

Then your argument is with B1G, not with Cael Sanderson or Penn State.

Many of us have explained to you what we think Cael should do ad nauseam. Yet, you keep repeating the same response as if you think anyone will actually feel differently about what Cael Sanderson is doing to this young man.

Cael Sanderson has shown how much he cares about student athletes and B1G wrestling.

You should spend more of your time talking to Cael Sanderson not me.

All we've asked from Cael is that he support a B1G waiver for a young man that gave his all for him for a year.

The NCAA exceptions list that I provided includes a description of a one-time transfer exception, which may be a good way for the B1G to proceed with this situation, if Cael would just do what is right.

 

[matter7172]

Many of us have explained to you what we think Cael should do ad nauseam. Yet, you keep repeating the same response as if you think anyone will actually feel differently about what Cael Sanderson is doing to this young man.

You know, it's hard for you to chastise other people for repeating themselves when you keep repeating yourself. Well, maybe not for you. It seems to come easily.

You keep conflating NCAA rules with B1G rules in the hopes that repetition will give it more validity. It doesn't. And your sense of right and wrong is fluid depending on what benefits you and/or your interests. That much is clear. This young man made an agreement, now wants to renege and you want him to escape the agreed-upon consequences of reneging. Couch it any way you want to, that's the bottom line.

 

[PSU_Nut]

Many of us have explained to you what we think Cael should do ad nauseam. Yet, you keep repeating the same response as if you think anyone will actually feel differently about what Cael Sanderson is doing to this young man.

Cael Sanderson has shown how much he cares about student athletes and B1G wrestling.

You should spend more of your time talking to Cael Sanderson not me.

All we've asked from Cael is that he support a B1G waiver for a young man that gave his all for him for a year.

The NCAA exceptions list that I provided includes a description of a one-time transfer exception, which may be a good way for the B1G to proceed with this situation, if Cael would just do what is right.

Why don't you petition someone at Rutgers to change the rule? How are they any better? They know for three years how this rule works yet they done nothing. Does that mean they don't care about student athletes and B1G wrestling? Why just throw Cael under the bus? Aren't Rutgers and Goodale just enabling the rule?


The only reason you are targeting Cael is because you think Nick is some special snowflake that should not operate under the same rules as everyone else.

 

[DJ Spanky]

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[pawrestlersintn]

Many of us have explained to you what we think Cael should do ad nauseam. Yet, you keep repeating the same response as if you think anyone will actually feel differently about what Cael Sanderson is doing to this young man.

Cael Sanderson has shown how much he cares about student athletes and B1G wrestling.

You should spend more of your time talking to Cael Sanderson not me.

All we've asked from Cael is that he support a B1G waiver for a young man that gave his all for him for a year.

The NCAA exceptions list that I provided includes a description of a one-time transfer exception, which may be a good way for the B1G to proceed with this situation, if Cael would just do what is right.

You realize you are forcing us to repeat ourselves, right? I've asked time and again to show an example or a precedent where the school that is being departed supported the waiver and the B1G complied. All you have right now is a Rutgers beat reporter repeating what Goodale or his staff said. There surely can't be any bias there, right?

You want something new? Cael knows way more about what happened, regarding contact and timing than any of us do, and depending upon what happened there, that might be why he wouldn't support a waiver.

And, something else new. If Mr. Suriano has any say in this, and he wanted to screw Cael over, what is the best way to do that? Wait until there are two weeks left before classes start, and ask PSU for the release. Don't give Cael and his staff time to react to Nick leaving. And, I've got really reliable information that says that Mr. Suriano was not happy with Cael. So, maybe the vindictiveness all started with Mr. Suriano, and not with Cael, and Mr. Suriano is the one that lost the year of eligibility for his son.