Nick Suriano Status
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Whiny and bitter? Careful, you are starting to sound like an Iowa fan. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
It would only be best for the sport if Suriano got to wrestle 3 years.. but Cael wants to punish... just put the ego aside... this will no doubt hurt some of his recruiting
It would be silly for a fan to expect RU to win it all this year. What isn't silly is psu losing the team title by a few points
Then he should go to a non-B1G school. He signed up under a set of rules that he now wants to avoid. I have zero sympathy. It's not punishment; it's a consequence of choices.
He is certainly eligible to apply for the waiver. However, unless something new comes to the surface, it would not appear that he has a good case for B1G to give it. Unless homesickness is a hardship.
Nick didn't score any points last year, and PSU won by 36.5, returning all but Gulibon's 3.5 points. tOSU brings back a solid team, but they have to make a lot up in bonus points. I don't see them becoming a bonus juggernaut.
I came here seeing if I could find clarification on the B1G transfer rules. I'm more confused than when I started. After reading 6 pages of comments and doing a little research:
- PSU and Cael has granted Suriano's full unconditional release meaning per NCAA rules he can transfer anywhere he'd like and receive scholarship money.
- There is an additional B1G intra-conference transfer rule that says you lose a year of eligibility if you transfer to another B1G institution for all sports.
- In rare cases the intra-conference transfer penalty can be waived by the B1G.
- Rutgers fans position is there is something Cael/PSU can do to make it more likely the waiver is granted.
- PSU fans are defending Cael's handling of the situation.
- Additionally, we do not believe there is something PSU/Cael can do to increase the chances of the waiver being granted.
- A handful examples of intra-conference transfers have been used as examples.
- Cortez to PSU, lost a year.
- Micic to Michigan, immediately eligible.
- Rudock to Michigan, immediately eligible.
- This article lays out some more players that were intra-B1G transfers in various sports. It appears all but the grad transfers had to sit a year.
- No one has been able to provide anything other than conjecture stating whether PSU can/cannot increase the chances of the waiver being granted.
- The quoted article was posted which, I assume, was an attempt at this?
I get it, anything to ding us and Cael sounds appealing but I think you guys are off on this one. If someone has info stating otherwise (tweet the B1G?) then I would rethink my position.
Generally I am in full support of graduated players being allowed to transfer wherever they see fit as I feel they have fulfilled their contract. Undergrads is a bit more tricky to me. It sounds appealing when you're on the receiving end of the transfer. I guess I support the current NCAA rule of sitting out a year but I wouldn't allow one school to block the transfer to another. Other ideas have been floated that I can get behind, like a one-time transfer after 2 years for any reason.
You're a fool if you think Cael decided on how the University would handle the Suriano transfer. Sorry my friend but these types of things are handled by those a notch or two up the ladder and they certainly are advised by a legal team versed in these matters.
You came HERE looking for clarification of rules? Good luck with that.
NJcom just posted a story that the latest PSU official release still leaves unanswered questions:
http://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/index.ssf/2017/08/penn_state_leaves_unanswered_questions_but_confirm.html#incart_river_index
http://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/index.ssf/2017/08/penn_state_leaves_unanswered_questions_but_confirm.html#incart_river_index
The rules are clear. It's trying to avoid their consequences that gets tricky. :)
Psu is the def fav.. but can't just expect them to get 5 champs again.
They can't grant a waiver. There is no such thing. I don't get why some people can't grasp that concept. Only the B1G committee can. No one knows what they will decide.
What PSU' press release did not come out and say explicitly is that they will not not support a waiver of the loss of 1 year eligibility when asked by the Big Ten Committee their view.
It does. It says that they support the Big transfer policy.
""We granted this release. Subject to Big Ten policy, any intra-conference transfer is required to sit for one year before they are again eligible to participate. "
What is in the B10 policy is what will happen. PSU and Cael aren't writing the rules. I'd be willing to bet that Cael and Co. Have already moved on from this.
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Why should they? Penn State has had plenty of athletes transfer and follow B1G rules even including paying their own way for three years before the rule was changed. Why should all the sudden after decades of following the rules as written decide this kid is special and shouldn't be held to them?
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Why should Penn State feel it's their place to tell B10 officials whether they should enforce their own rule or not?
Who gives a shit what NS' reasons are. They are his and no need to be shared with the public unless he so deemed necessary. Supposed it dealt with a mental issue. That is none of our f'ing business nor yours. That is for the Committee
Jason
Your first statement is incorrect PSU did not grant an unconditional release. It only granted him a release to RUTGERS!
Your first statement is incorrect PSU did not grant an unconditional release. It only granted him a release to RUTGERS!
You're right - and we've had the same situations here with athletes paying their own way. All of that happened because people were playing by the rules. Which is generally great. We at Rutgers take as much pride in doing things the right way as you guys do.
But every once in a while a situation comes along that tests the rules and creates opportunities for rules to be changed in some way.
In this situation, Nick Suriano is the guy, and he's about to represent the individual athlete's rights in college athletics. This "freedom to transfer" argument has been going on for a couple years now and we finally hit the wall.
According to the PSU news release, Nick requested a release so he could wrestle at Rutgers and they granted it. Why would YOU be worried about any other release?
Just stop. The rule is terrible and serves the interest of the school's revenue sports and the school's themselves. I'm fine with self interest as long as that is extended to everyone. That's not the case here. The school is operating in a free market. The athlete in a restricted market. How come a bright student on a full academic scholarship can transfer with no penalty. The school has put resources into this person. But, they too are operating in a free market. All the arguments are garbage. The rule was dishonestly and maliciously conceived by the elites in the BIG, primarily incredibly powerful coaches, to protect their interests; interests that directly conflict with that of their athletes. Do you think a top recruit being recruited hard (basically fauned over by athletes they have idolized all their lives) thinks about the possibility they won't be happy there and want to leave. They have fallen in love with the school, the program, etc. Usually it works out. Sometimes it doesn't. Kids have 5 years to compete in four. If they transfer they sit a year, fine. Somewhat mitigates the loss of the spot. They want to transfer again, they lose another year. But, a first year student, first time in college, first time away from home who wants to leave gets penalized a year of eligibility. That's just another example of middle aged men abusing kids.
If they want to change the rule then propose a rule change during the annual meeting. That how rules get changed. There is a well defined process to get change. It not going to get changed by saying ok Suriano we will let it slide. Until then everyone should play under the same rules. You act as if he was forced into this rule. If he didn't like it there are plenty of non B1G schools he could have gone to or transferred to. The B1G doesn't have a wrestling monopoly were he has no choice.
And, Cael should be the one to save the world of this B1G rule travesty, because Rutgers.
Terrible retort especially as a PSU fan. If something is wrong, it's wrong. If for no other reason then self interest he should still fight it. It may allow the next Jered Cortez to participate in all four year of his eligibility or better yet allow him to get a year back. Man, you all are blinded by your school allegiances. I wrestled very poorly in college but cherish every moment. That fact that some of you are so cavalier and dismissive towards someone else's future is sad.
I have no problem changing the rule, as long as it doesn't create unintended consequences of a transfer spree. What I was pointing out was these RU fans that are all of a sudden concerned about the rule, when they had no idea it existed until now, and now they want to blame Cael Sanderson and Penn State for a rule that isn't theirs and they have to live with, too.
How does giving Suriano a free pass fight it? If they want to change it they propose a rule at the annual big ten meeting in July. You don't do it by making exceptions. Why is it on Cael and Penn State to fight it? Why didn't Rutgers propose this rule in July and fight the injustice?
Because Rutgers coaches know they'd be in weak position if the rule didn't exist. They want the rule, and an exception to it for Suriano.
Because generally speaking we don't get involved in causes until they impact us personally. There is no shame in that. The real question is why didn't Cael publicize it more two years ago with Jered? My guess is that at the time 125/133/141 were in a good enough shape that he did feel it was worth pursuing. Or, maybe he agrees with the rule which I highly doubt. I wish it had showed up on my radar sooner. I hope if it had I would have gotten involved sooner. And, immediately fixing a bad rule is not giving anyone a free pass, it's doing the right thing especially when the athletes clocks are ticking. I'm happy to respectfully disagree with you if you feel the rule is fair or good but if you think it is wrong don't defend it based on procedural precedent.
Penn State saying we are ok with the waiver is not fixable by anything. It is just giving Suriano a free pass. The reason it in place is because the coaches like the rule. Do you think Goodale wants Cael sniffing around every time they have need? This rule helps the have nots far more than the haves.
Penn State did not give Nick Suriano a free pass. They released Nick Suriano to a school that he can't wrestle at without either giving up a year of competitive eligibility or getting a B1G waiver, which would be a lot easier to get with Penn State's approval.
All Nick Suriano wants is Penn State's approval and support to get that waiver. But, apparently Penn State has turned their back on the youngster that gave Penn State his all while he was at Penn State until he got hurt.
No class. No respect. It's sad.
A lot of people have lost a lot of respect for Cael Sanderson.
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