Nick Suriano Status

[PSUPOWER]

Penn State saying we are ok with the waiver is not fixable by anything. It is just giving Suriano a free pass. The reason it in place is because the coaches like the rule. Do you think Goodale wants Cael sniffing around every time they have need? This rule helps the have nots far more than the haves.

The additional restrictions on B1G to B1G transfers beyond standard NCAA transfer restrictions help 63 of 76 NCAA D1 Wrestling teams more than any other wrestling team. They help all of the NCAA D1 wrestling teams outside of the B1G more than anyone else.

They help thousands of NCAA D1 sports teams outside of the B1G more than anyone else, because, they are in place for all B1G sports. They help all of the NCAA D1 sports teams outside of the B1G more than anyone else.

Sometimes B1G people can be so focused on the B1G that they forget that there is a big, bad world out there outside of the B1G.

Lehigh, Princeton, Rider and Rutgers are all located near each other and they haven't needed any additional transfer restrictions beyond standard NCAA transfer restrictions.

 

[FoxRU]

Penn State saying we are ok with the waiver is not fixable by anything. It is just giving Suriano a free pass. The reason it in place is because the coaches like the rule. Do you think Goodale wants Cael sniffing around every time they have need? This rule helps the have nots far more than the haves.

Coaches who want this rule should be ashamed of themselves. If the fear is tampering then toughen/enforce tampering rules and penalize the coaches and schools more harshly when they are caught. Don't take that out on the athlete.

 

[PSU_Nut]

The additional restrictions on B1G to B1G transfers beyond standard NCAA transfer restrictions help 63 of 76 NCAA D1 Wrestling teams more than any other wrestling team. They help all of the NCAA D1 wrestling teams outside of the B1G more than anyone else.

They help thousands of NCAA D1 sports teams outside of the B1G more than anyone else, because, they are in place for all B1G sports. They help all of the NCAA D1 sports teams outside of the B1G more than anyone else.

Sometimes B1G people can be so focused on the B1G that they forget that there is a big, bad world out there outside of the B1G.

Lehigh, Princeton, Rider and Rutgers are all located near each other and they haven't needed any additional transfer restrictions beyond standard NCAA transfer restrictions.

The Big Ten is not the only conference that has intraconference transfer rules. It not a B1G thing and some big disadvantage. All conferences have different variation on intraconference transfer rules.

 

[PSU_Nut]

Penn State did not give Nick Suriano a free pass. They released Nick Suriano to a school that he can't wrestle at without either giving up a year of competitive eligibility or getting a B1G waiver, which would be a lot easier to get with Penn State's approval.

All Nick Suriano wants is Penn State's approval and support to get that waiver. But, apparently Penn State has turned their back on the youngster that gave Penn State his all while he was at Penn State until he got hurt.

No class. No respect. It's sad.

A lot of people have lost a lot of respect for Cael Sanderson.

Didn't Nick Suriano turn his back on Penn State? Why are you not you questioning his commitment? Why is all on Penn State? Why does this little snowflake different then all the other people who have followed the rules. Why should he get special privlage? Do you think Nick is the first one to be subjected to this rule?

 

[PSUPOWER]

The Big Ten is not the only conference that has intraconference transfer rules. It not a B1G thing and some big disadvantage. All conferences have different variation on intraconference transfer rules.

Additional transfer restrictions for B1G to B1G transfers is a B1G thing and a big disadvantage.

All conferences do not have the same transfer restrictions as the B1G.

No one ever said that the B1G was the only conference with intraconference transfer rules.

 

[FoxRU]

Didn't Nick Suriano turn his back on Penn State? Why are you not you questioning his commitment? Why is all on Penn State? Why does this little snowflake different then all the other people who have followed the rules. Why should he get special privlage?

Yes, he decided PSU was not the right school for him. And? Most of PSU's wrestling team loves it there. I bet it is a cool place to be. So what. The school exists for it's students not the other way around. The commitment isn't the issue unless you honestly believe that the BIG rule was created to uphold some honor code. And you don't, at least not per your previous post where you state that coaches want the rule to dissuade other coaches sniffing around their teams for potential transfers. It's to prevent dishonest practices according to you but how and why is the penalty meted out on the athlete? The rule is bad. You know it, I know it. PSU has the opportunity to highlight how bad the rule is but won't. That is their right but don't defend it. Also, the argument that since other people were screwed over he should be too doesn't work very well.

 

[PSU_Nut]

Additional transfer restrictions for B1G to B1G transfers is a B1G thing and a big disadvantage.

All conferences do not have the same transfer restrictions as the B1G.

No one ever said that the B1G was the only conference with intraconference transfer rules.

Why is is such a big disadvantage? Is the ACC at a major disadvantage because they have an ACC to ACC transfer rule?

 

[PSUPOWER]

Didn't Nick Suriano turn his back on Penn State? Why are you not you questioning his commitment? Why is all on Penn State? Why does this little snowflake different then all the other people who have followed the rules. Why should he get special privlage? Do you think Nick is the first one to be subjected to this rule?

Nick Suriano has his reasons for wanting to leave Penn State and he has the right to do so. He isn't a little snowflake and it isn't within the spirit of amatuer athletics to steal a year of eligibility from him, because, he wants to go to one D1 school instead of another.

Nick Suriano is in good standing and he did everything he could for Penn State while he attended Penn State.

It is time for Penn State to do what is right for Nick Suriano now if they want to do what is good for him, good for the B1G and good for D1 Wrestling.

 

[PSU_Nut]

Yes, he decided PSU was not the right school for him. And? Most of PSU's wrestling team loves it there. I bet it is a cool place to be. So what. The school exists for it's students not the other way around. The commitment isn't the issue unless you honestly believe that the BIG rule was created to uphold some honor code. And you don't, at least not per your previous post where you state that coaches want the rule to dissuade other coaches sniffing around their teams for potential transfers. It's to prevent dishonest practices according to you but how and why is the penalty meted out on the athlete? The rule is bad. You know it, I know it. PSU has the opportunity to highlight how bad the rule is but won't. That is their right but don't defend it. Also, the argument that since other people were screwed over he should be too doesn't work very well.

Why is all on Penn State? Why hasn't Rutgers proposed a new rule? Why aren't you calling them out for not publically proposing a change to the rule? Why is Penn State the bad guy? There are 14 schools in this conference. Anyone of them can propose a rule change. Why are you and other trying t put it all on Cael and Penn State?

 

[PSU_Nut]

Nick Suriano has his reasons for wanting to leave Penn State and he has the right to do so. He isn't a little snowflake and it isn't within the spirit of amatuer athletics to steal a year of eligibility from him, because, he wants to go to one D1 school instead of another.

Nick is in good standing and he did everything he could for Penn State while he attended Penn State.

It is time for Penn State to do what is right for Nick Suriano now if they want to do what is good for him, good for the B1G and good for D1 Wrestling.

When he chose to go to Penn State he was aware of B1G rules. When he signed those scholarship paper he acknowledged he was aware of the rules. If he didn't like them he could have went to another school in another conference. Why does Nick deserve special treatment that other B1G athletes didn't get? It wasn't in the spirit of amateur athletics when Cortez lost a year of eligibility. Why all the sudden is it on Penn State? There are 14 members of this conference who agrees to the set of rules. Not just Penn State.

Rutgers knew this was a possibility. Why didn't they propose a rule change back in July? Nothing prevented them from publically proposing a new rule and campaigning for it prior to now.

 

[FoxRU]

Why is all on Penn State? Why hasn't Rutgers proposed a new rule? Why aren't you calling them out for not publically proposing a change to the rule? Why is Penn State the bad guy? There are 14 schools in this conference. Anyone of them can propose a rule change. Why are you and other trying t put it all on Cael and Penn State?

First, the matter couldn't be discussed until today. So maybe RU is working on a response/proposed change. Second, It's on PSU because they are in a position to affect change. If the situation was reversed I'd be putting pressure on Goodale/RU to support the waiver. PSU is the "bad guy" if they support a bad rule because feelings are hurt/vindictiveness or are just pissed off at Nick. That is small minded and petty. I understand the reaction but that doesnt benefit the the athlete/sport or PSU in the long term and it doesnt jibe with my impression of who Cael Sanderson is.

 

[PSUPOWER]

Why is all on Penn State? Why hasn't Rutgers proposed a new rule? Why aren't you calling them out for not publically proposing a change to the rule? Why is Penn State the bad guy? There are 14 schools in this conference. Anyone of them can propose a rule change. Why are you and other trying t put it all on Cael and Penn State?

Penn State is in the wrong, because, they could help Nick Suriano transfer to the school of his choice without placing themselves at a competitive disadvantage.

Yet, they have chosen not to in order to punish him, because, he had a change of heart about where he wanted to attend school.

You don't think that is wrong ?

 

[PSUPOWER]

When he chose to go to Penn State he was aware of B1G rules. When he signed those scholarship paper he acknowledged he was aware of the rules. If he didn't like them he could have went to another school in another conference. Why does Nick deserve special treatment that other B1G athletes didn't get? It wasn't in the spirit of amateur athletics when Cortez lost a year of eligibility. Why all the sudden is it on Penn State? There are 14 members of this conference who agrees to the set of rules. Not just Penn State.

Rutgers knew this was a possibility. Why didn't they propose a rule change back in July? Nothing prevented them from publically proposing a new rule and campaigning for it prior to now.

How do you know what rules Nick Suriano was aware of when he initially commited to Penn State ?

And even if Nick Suriano was aware of all transfer rules and regulations, do you really think he was concerned about them when he initially committed to Penn State ?

Do you know how many students that go away to college end up transfering back closer to home after or during their first year away from home ?

And how many of them lose a year of eligibility to partcipate in something that they love, because, they want to transfer to one school instead of another, even though the school they are transferring to wants them to participate and can offer them a good place to participate in that endeavor ?

 

[PSU_Nut]

First, the matter couldn't be discussed until today. So maybe RU is working on a response/proposed change. Second, It's on PSU because they are in a position to affect change. If the situation was reversed I'd be putting pressure on Goodale/RU to support the waiver. PSU is the "bad guy" if they support a bad rule because feelings are hurt/vindictiveness or are just pissed off at Nick. That is small minded and petty. I understand the reaction but that doesnt benefit the the athlete/sport or PSU in the long term and it doesnt jibe with my impression of who Cael Sanderson is.

It could have been discussed. They couldn't discuss Nick but transfers in general. There is nothing preventing Rutgers from saying Our B1G transfer rules are wrong here is our proposal for new one. This rule has been on the books for years.
You are acting like Nick is the first athlete to be subjected to this.

 

[PSU_Nut]

How do you know what rules Nick Suriano was aware of when he initially commited to Penn State ?

And even if Nick Suriano was aware of all transfer rules and regulations, do you really think he was concerned about them when he initially committed to Penn State ?

Do you know how many students that go away to college end up transfering back closer to home after or during their first year away from home ?

And how many of them lose a year of eligibility to partcipate in something that they love, because, they want to transfer to one school instead of another, even though the school they are transferring wants them to participate ?

I know because when you fill out your paperwork for financial aid you sign an acknowledgement of both ncaa and B1G rules. Every athlete does it before they can even enroll. If he didn't read them then it on him. It sucks for him but life is not always fair. Snowflakes need to know that when you sign something don't cry it unfair. Do you think his mortgage company just going to forgive his loan if he doesn't like the house after a year?

 

[PSU_Nut]

Penn State is in the wrong, because, they could help Nick Suriano transfer to the school of his choice without placing themselves at a competitive disadvantage.

Yet, they have chosen not to in order to punish him, because, he had a change of heart about where he wanted to attend school.

You don't think that is wrong ?

If they really wanted to punish him they could have denied him the release. it now up to the B1G and not Penn State.

Why is all on Penn State? There are 13 other schools that could have long ago changed the rule. Why are you giving them a pass?

 

[PSUPOWER]

I know because when you fill out your paperwork for financial aid you sign an acknowledgement of both ncaa and B1G rules. Every athlete does it before they can even enroll. If he didn't read them then it on him. It sucks for him but life is not always fair. Snowflakes need to know that when you sign something don't cry it unfair. Do you think his mortgage company just going to forgive his loan if he doesn't like the house after a year?

Life can be more fair and less unjust when you try to make it more fair by doing what is right. Nick Suriano isn't crying.

Nick Suriano doesn't owe Penn State any more than
Penn State owes him so your analogy isn't very good.

A lot of youngsters that go away to college end up coming back home in a year or less.

Penn State shouldn't be viewing this as a crime or default.

 

[PSUPOWER]

If they really wanted to punish him they could have denied him the release. it now up to the B1G and not Penn State.

Why is all on Penn State? There are 13 other schools that could have long ago changed the rule. Why are you giving them a pass?

Penn State did not give Nick Suriano much. They released Nick Suriano to a school that he can't wrestle at without either giving up a year of competitive eligibility or getting a B1G waiver, which would be a lot easier to get with Penn State's approval.

All Nick Suriano wants is Penn State's approval and support to get that waiver. But, apparently Penn State has turned their back on the youngster that gave Penn State his all while he was at Penn State until he got hurt.

No class. No respect. It's sad.

A lot of people have lost a lot of respect for Cael Sanderson.

 

[PSU_Nut]

Penn State did not give Nick Suriano much. They released Nick Suriano to a school that he can't wrestle at without either giving up a year of competitive eligibility or getting a B1G waiver, which would be a lot easier to get with Penn State's approval.

All Nick Suriano wants is Penn State's approval and support to get that waiver. But, apparently Penn State has turned their back on the youngster that gave Penn State his all while he was at Penn State until he got hurt.

No class. No respect. It's sad.

A lot of people have lost a lot of respect for Cael Sanderson.

Why should Nick Suriano be treated different then every other B1G athlete? Why is Penn State and Cael classless when it a rule of the entire conference. Cael did not make up this rule. If his wrestlers had to lose a year of eligibility why should Nick? I don't see Goodale speaking out against it prior to this. No class. No respect. It's sad. Why now? What so different about Nick Suriano? Why aren't you calling at the other schools for not repealing this rule? Why should Penn State be subjected to the rule but not Rutgers?

 

[PSU_Nut]

Life can be more fair and less unjust when you try to make it more fair by doing what is right. Nick Suriano isn't crying.

Nick Suriano doesn't owe Penn State any more than
Penn State owes him so your analogy isn't very good.

A lot of youngsters that go away to college end up coming back home in a year or less.

Penn State shouldn't be viewing this as a crime or default.

Then change the rule so everyone can have what is right, not pick and choose who gets to follow it and who doesn't. That not fair to the school or the athletes.

 

[PSUPOWER]

Why should Nick Suriano be treated different then every other B1G athlete? Why is Penn State and Cael classless when it a rule of the entire conference. Cael did not make up this rule. If his wrestlers had to lose a year of eligibility why should Nick? I don't see Goodale speaking out against it prior to this. No class. No respect. It's sad. Why now? What so different about Nick Suriano? Why aren't you calling at the other schools for not repealing this rule? Why should Penn State be subjected to the rule but not Rutgers?

The additional transfer restrictions for B1G to B1G transfers that are beyond the standard NCAA transfer restrictions were instituted to prevent B1G teams from getting a competitive advantage over their B1G conference peers thru B1G to B1G transfers.

Penn State is in the wrong, because, they could help Nick Suriano transfer to the school of his choice without placing themselves at a competitive disadvantage.

Yet, they have chosen not to in order to punish him, because, he had a change of heart about where he wanted to attend school.

You don't think that is wrong ?

 

[PSUPOWER]

Then change the rule so everyone can have what is right, not pick and choose who gets to follow it and who doesn't. That not fair to the school or the athletes.

For the record, I have been trying to get the B1G to align their transfer restrictions with just NCAA transfer restrictions across all sports for several years.

No NCAA program is permitted to try and poach or recruit D1 student athletes from another NCAA program. That isn't just a B1G rule. It is an NCAA rule.

If a D1 student athlete decides to transfer from his or her school they shouldn't lose more eligibility for deciding on one D1 school destination versus another.

It isn't fair to the student athlete.

And the additional transfer restrictions for internal B1G transfers gives D1 athletic programs outside of the B1G an advantage over 13 B1G athletic programs every time a B1G student athlete decides to transfer from their current school.

This is an issue for all B1G sports that are played by both men and women. It is not just a wrestling issue.

 

[PSUPOWER]

Why should Nick Suriano be treated different then every other B1G athlete? Why is Penn State and Cael classless when it a rule of the entire conference. Cael did not make up this rule. If his wrestlers had to lose a year of eligibility why should Nick? I don't see Goodale speaking out against it prior to this. No class. No respect. It's sad. Why now? What so different about Nick Suriano? Why aren't you calling at the other schools for not repealing this rule? Why should Penn State be subjected to the rule but not Rutgers?

If Cael Sanderson helps his former wrestler to get a B1G transfer waiver and the B1G grants it
Penn State benefits, because, the student athlete doesn't transfer to a National Championship contender or B1G Championship contender;
the B1G benefits, because, the student athlete stays within the B1G;
Rutgers benefits, because, the student athlete can help their wrestling team;
and most importantly, the student athlete benefits, because, he can come back home where he wants to be to go to school and wrestle.

It's a win, win, win, win and that has a positive impact.
Doing what is right usually does.

 

[jason21psu]

Jason
Your first statement is incorrect PSU did not grant an unconditional release. It only granted him a release to RUTGERS!

After reading the PSU statement again it sounds like you are correct. However, if the B1G doesn't grant the waiver and Nick decides given the circumstances he'd prefer to transfer to say Rider and retain the extra year of eligibility that PSU wouldn't also grant that release?

 

[jason21psu]

Who gives a shit what NS' reasons are. They are his and no need to be shared with the public unless he so deemed necessary. Supposed it dealt with a mental issue. That is none of our f'ing business nor yours. That is for the Committee

I agree with this. I don't care what his reasons are and the public doesn't need to know.

 

[jason21psu]

If Cael Sanderson helps his former wrestler to get a B1G transfer waiver and the B1G grants it
Penn State benefits, because, the student athlete doesn't transfer to a National Championship contender or B1G Championship contender;
the B1G benefits, because, the student athlete stays within the B1G;
Rutgers benefits, because, the student athlete can help their wrestling team;
and most importantly, the student athlete benefits, because, he can come back home where he wants to be to go to school and wrestle.

It's a win, win, win, win and that has a positive impact.
Doing what is right usually does.

People keep saying there is something PSU can do to help get the waiver granted. I have seen nothing that says this is true. None of the other transfers I looked into referenced this. The B1G granting the waiver was based on 2 things. 1. The Micic situation where NW blew up their program. 2. Grad transfers were granted waivers.

 

[pawrestlersintn]

People keep saying there is something PSU can do to help get the waiver granted. I have seen nothing that says this is true. None of the other transfers I looked into referenced this. The B1G granting the waiver was based on 2 things. 1. The Micic situation where NW blew up their program. 2. Grad transfers were granted waivers.

Yep, just logged in this morning to say this.

Rutgers fans are relying on the word of a Rutgers beat sports reporter, talking to Rutgers insiders, for their information. There is not one shred of evidence, no precedent, no comment from the B1G, nothing, that PSU supporting the waiver would make the B1G decision a rubber-stamp. The only evidence there is is the word of a hack internet reporter who talked to a second-rate coach, who desperately wants a guy like Suriano on his team. All for the athlete, when it fits his agenda.

How about citing a quote from Goodale, or any other Rutgers coach, bemoaning how deplorable the intra-B1G transfer rule is, prior to this situation? If Rutgers' coaches are so selfless and magnanimous, surely a quote like this exists. How about one where a Rutgers AD went to the annual B1G meeting and proposed a rules change to eliminate the transfer restrictions? If you can't provide that, then they are no better, nor worse than Cael Sanderson and Sandy Barbour, and they ought to clean up their own house, before pointing out the dirt in ours.

 

[pawrestlersintn]

Jason
Your first statement is incorrect PSU did not grant an unconditional release. It only granted him a release to RUTGERS!

Very similar to the Mike Rosario situation, where Rutgers offered a conditional release, preventing him from going to another Big East school (before the B1G did you the favor of letting you in), then days later made it sound as though it was an unconditional release to Florida. Suriano specifically asked for a release to Rutgers, nowhere else.

But, someone said, "Well, it's traditional not to let a player on a team sport go to someone in conference." Oh, is THAT how this works? Cael has to rise above rules and traditions for Rutgers, but Rutgers HAS to follow tradition? Oh, to be so generous.

 

[PSU_Nut]

Jason
Your first statement is incorrect PSU did not grant an unconditional release. It only granted him a release to RUTGERS!

They can only grant what he requests. If requested a release to Rutgers that what he got.

 

[Abro1975]

I think when the NCAA let all the Penn St football players leave without penalty due to decades of pedophilia at their football facilities and Bowl games, and coverup by its Head Coach and senior administration, the game changed , and the rights of the student athlete became more paramount. The Big10 is just a bit slow in adapting, but their recognition of the horrors at Penn St , then and now ( murder of a NJ Frat Student and its coverup), is slowly changing things.

 

[RobotHunter]

So the Big 10 would rather a wrestler with multi national championship potential leave the conference then transfer to a conference school?

 

[pawrestlersintn]

So the Big 10 would rather a wrestler with multi national championship potential leave the conference then transfer to a conference school?

While that is the potential outcome, I hardly think that's why the B10 wrote the rule. Writing or bending rules for an individual is never good policy, unless it's for Rutgers, apparently.

 

[pawrestlersintn]

I think when the NCAA let all the Penn St football players leave without penalty due to decades of pedophilia at their football facilities and Bowl games, and coverup by its Head Coach and senior administration, the game changed , and the rights of the student athlete became more paramount. The Big10 is just a bit slow in adapting, but their recognition of the horrors at Penn St , then and now ( murder of a NJ Frat Student and its coverup), is slowly changing things.

Telling that you can't argue the case at hand, so this is what you resort to. Your cruiseliner still hasn't come in. Here's a thought: how about Rutgers improves its coaching, facilities and recruiting, and maybe you'll get some of these recruits not to run away from you in the first place, and have to resort to poaching them after they're gone.

 

[PSU_Nut]

So the Big 10 would rather a wrestler with multi national championship potential leave the conference then transfer to a conference school?

That is what the conference has agreed to do. That the rules they set up. Why should certain individual or schools not be subjected or be above those rules? Now they think that it Penn State fault that the rule exist and they have some moral obligation to produce some magical waiver that doesn't exist. They have to do this even though their own athletes are subjected to the same rules. They feel it Penn State obligation to put itself at a competitive disadvantage to it other conference mates.


So what are the requirements in your eyes to be above the rules?

 

[pawrestlersintn]

Seems like most of the other conferences have very similar rules:
http://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0LE...fers.pdf/RK=1/RS=bbQSA_HKxt92EEnyQi8xQwqHNhQ-

 

[R U Crazy]

You know, if we added the views of this thread to the views in the "wrestling news" thread, we would have reached our target of 100,000 views.

Just saying

 

[pawrestlersintn]

You know, if we added the views of this thread to the views in the "wrestling news" thread, we would have reached our target of 100,000 views.

Just saying

It has definitely created interest. One of three threads about Suriano on BWI has 1600 messages and 178,000 views.

 

[rubigtimenow]

Shouldn't there be a limit to the number of posts from pawrestlersintn and psunut, i mean, I really appreciate a different viewpoint but seriously, this is a Rutgers board, have some perspective on that gentlemen, post a couple times but move on. Thanks for your consideration.

 

[Crazed_RU]

Shouldn't there be a limit to the number of posts from pawrestlersintn and psunut, i mean, I really appreciate a different viewpoint but seriously, this is a Rutgers board, have some perspective on that gentlemen, post a couple times but move on. Thanks for your consideration.

Imagine the world problems those two could solve if they put as much effort in as they are on the Suriano topic on a RU message board.

 

[RU93]

Shouldn't there be a limit to the number of posts from pawrestlersintn and psunut, i mean, I really appreciate a different viewpoint but seriously, this is a Rutgers board, have some perspective on that gentlemen, post a couple times but move on. Thanks for your consideration.

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