You bring Sandusky into the argument already? That's a sure sign of a weak argument.
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Oh, that's a good argument, too. You have any other nuggets of wisdom, or actual facts about this situation, or is that all you've got?
I do believe in personal accountability. for instance, if I saw a kid getting raped in the shower I would scream on the highest mountain until the perp was dealt with. I understand that there is a big difference in the way the term personal accountability is defined at each University though.
Bwahaha, the Sandusky bandwagon crowd took all of two pages to come out. When you can't argue the facts of the case, bring up Sandusky. Real Einsteins there at Rutgers.
I was not arguing Sandusky. I was arguing the fact that a lack of personal accountability by PSU leadership and students is readily accepted and fought for by the disciples but student athletes that want to leave are held to a higher standard.
That is just some weird shit.
Bottom line is the kid wants to go to Rutgers but CS is butt hurt about it so he's trying to make sure he has to sit a year if he goes to RU. That's the facts Einstein.
When Suriano signed his scholarship letter he agreed to terms of that scholarship. One of those terms were that if he transferred to another B1G school he would lose a year of eligibility. I don't blame him for not allowing it because it not the message you want to send guys. If he grants it basically he setting precedent that guys are free to transfer where ever they like. He is just holding him accountable for what he agreed to.
I fully agree with you that those people should be held to account. Did you notice Sandusky is in jail, as is ex-President Spanier?
One might reasonably ask how the Surianos chose Rutgers before Rutgers was granted permission to speak with them.
Perhaps it was completely innocent, that the decision was made without talking to anyone at the school. Of course that would be an atypical decision model, especially for a national champion caliber athlete.
Otherwise no coach in any sport would support that outgoing transfer, regardless of which 2 conference schools were involved.
You can't have coaches and athletic directors making decisions on who to give "blessings" to when it comes to transfers. If you're too dumb to understand why, that's on you....not me.
Probably because it's his home state school where he has several former teammates from high school.
If he was really butt hurt about it he would not have granted him permission to contact. That would mean he would have to sit out and also pay his on way.
So he gave him half a release but he wouldn't go the "second mile" to let the kid transfer without losing eligibility.
This argument is silly. PSU fans just said why give NS their "blessing" so he could POSSIBLY wrestle immediately. Let the committee make that decision. CS told him he did not want to hurt him but he does not grant a waiver. What other reason other than making it harder for NS to wrestle 3 full years is there. Thanks Koleszar for explaining my post.
Rider and Princeton are also home state school. He free to go there and not sit out. He was well aware of the rules when he chose Penn State. When Jared Cortez transferred to Penn State he sat out because those were the rules.
But that flunks the sniff test. All of the rumored reasons for the exit are having some difference with Cael (weight, injury, strength program, communications, finances, etc.).
Any issue big enough to drive someone away from 6x NCAA championship coach Cael Sanderson, is big enough to preclude at the new school. "Close to home and I know a few guys" isn't exactly verification.
Because those are the rules. When Cortez transferred to Penn State he had to sit the same way. Why have the rule if you are not going to follow it?
I have yet to see anyone argue WHY Cael should offer the unconditional release. To be nice? So Rutgers can get a top wrestler? What is it?
So essentially what I am reading here is that the OP and several others feel that Sanderson releasing Suriano isn't enough and that he should go the extra mile and help convince the BigTen to waive it's eligibility rule so that Nick can to go to a program that was most likely guilty of tampering. That's asking a bit much, don't you think? You guys should be happy he got a release. If you want to vilify anyone, try the BigTen, it's their rule, not Sanderson's.
What part of "Cael can't offer a B1G waiver" don't you understand?
And you can bet your ass every coach in the conference agrees with the rule and understands why it is in place.
I don't understand why Cael should bend over backwards to make it easier on Suriano. Do you want Cael to travel to the B1G meeting to plead Suriano's case for him, too?
You really think the B10 wants coaches and athletic departments deciding which schools they would give their blessings to when it comes to transfers? So if Cael would give his blessing to Nick to transfer to Rutgers but not Iowa you don't see a problem with that? Really?
No. The real question is why Cael should go the extra mile to help Rutgers if he thinks Rutgers went behind his back to poach from his roster. And how many Tim Beckman wannabes that precedent would create.
Why should he make it easy? If Stephan Glasglow goes out next year and finishes 3rd place in the NCAAs do you think Goodale should help him transfer to Penn State after the season if he decided he wants to wrestle there? How many coaches are going just let Cael come in and try to get their top guys to transfer and once he convinces them to help them get immediately eligible?
You obviously don't understand. You see, if Cael makes this easy on Suriano, then all of these Rutgers fans are going to think that Cael is great. And, then they'll start getting in Goodale's ear. They'll say things like, "That Cael is sure a great guy. You know, he really did you a solid by making that Suriano transfer easy. Maybe you should suggest to one of your top wrestlers that he should transfer to Penn State. Not only that, but you should appeal to the B1G for the waiver, and make this transition as easy as possible. Heck, maybe you should even drive him up there for his visit."
Yeah, that's what they'll say.
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I agree 100% with the above and have posted as such before - I believe @Ole Cabbagehead you were in agreement with me then as well.
This was always going to be a difficult thing to accomplish, despite some ill-informed assurances to the contrary.
It was pretty cut and dry what the issues were and there were two separate ones. The first one has been dealt with as expected with. Suriano was given a release - if we can read the tea leaves - as is pretty much SOP in the wrestling world. It looks like - from info posted above - that it is a full release with the NCAA and not a limited one as is done sometimes.
The second issue is the B1G waiving the competition penalty. I have opined before that PSU stance on this may have some effect on the B1G ruling. How much, nobody really knows.
If we look to the past, these waivers are not granted as commonplace. The only relevant example of one being granted is Micic and he had a cluster going on in the coaching department to be viewed as a hardship. On the other hand, the SOP here is what happened to Cortez. He transferred in-conference and forfeited a year of competition.
So basically we have pretty much what was expected to happen, happening here. The only thing that confuses everyone is the whining going on and a newspaper article from a guy who it looks like has no idea of what the actual circumstances are. Which, as I've posted before, is understandable, as many just are very ill-informed about the whole procedure - including people who you would think would be informed.
Bottom line, if I were a member of Suriano's family, it would be pretty clear what the options available are. If you want to transfer to RU, you've got to take your chances with the B1G as other athletes have done in the past. If you want to transfer out-of-conference to a viable closer-to-home alternative, you probably will be able to get it done. To expect PSU to go above and beyond the SOP, is either wishful thinking or listening to the wrong people. It just doesn't happen without cause.
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iowa state made it quite easy for your best wrestler of all time to follow cael to psu
Ed Ruth was already at Penn State.
Oh, you mean David Taylor. He was not yet enrolled, so it wasn't a transfer, rather a release from his LOI.
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