Nick Suriano Status

[matter7172]

No doubt. Although it could hurt him in the long run, especially if trying to recruit the Bergen Catholic program.

Because that's the road to the top of the NCAA wrestling world? C'mon.

If you are on twitter, retweet Politi's story

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Politi is apparently dopic. He cites an example of a basketball player transferring from one non-Big Ten school to a school in a different conference and the first school not granting a release as a parallel to Suriano's situation which is obviously entirely not the same. Suriano has been granted his release and there was no Big Ten rule involved in Politi's example.

If someone wants to challenge the Big Ten rule, they can undertake that headache. Ask Ed O'Bannon how quickly that will go. Until then, the rule is the rule. Trying to wiggle out of it is just entitled thinking.

And this "Big Ten will rubber stamp" idea is made of whole cloth. Do you think Illinois "fought" Cortez's transfer to Penn State. From everything I know, it was a totally amicable parting. Cortez still lost a year.

NJ.com's reporting is veering near libel on this one. It's certainly highly irresponsible.

Suggested on the BWI board and I agree with it.

"Politi is a terrific sportswriter - smart, thoughtful, ballsy enough to stand up to the big state university regularly. Because I think so highly of him, I'm happy to polish that lead:

Penn State just delivered a message to high school athletes in New Jersey, and it's one that every potential recruit and their parents should remember the next time one of its coaches comes knocking on their door:

The Big Ten has rules regarding transfers. Make sure you understand them before you commit to a Big Ten school."

 

[Abro1975]

Article on Hypocrit Sanderson selling out on his alma mater, Iowa St:

http://www.iowastatedaily.com/sports/article_802eec94-53ef-11e0-b2e1-001cc4c03286.html

 

[TRU2RU]

I don't understand why Cael should bend over backwards to make it easier on Suriano.
Perhaps your former Professor Emeritus Sandusky can teach Cael the position!

 

[PSUPOWER]

Why wouldn't he? Well, Nick will potentially harm PSU's chances of winning a B1G title.
However, one more time, my question is "Why SHOULD he?" Why should he bend over backwards to help a kid who he gave a scholarship. I answered your question, now answer mine.

Cael Sanderson should support the student athlete, that commited to him as a young teenager, in any way that he can to get a B1G transfer waiver so that the student athlete can wrestle at his school of choice this season without losing any eligibility, because, it is the right thing to do for both the student athlete and B1G Wrestling.

The student athlete isn't going to wrestle at Penn State any longer regardless and he does not want to transfer to a school that can potentially beat Penn State this year.

Let the young man wrestle where he wants to wrestle.

 

[matter7172]

Cael Sanderson should support the student athlete that commited to him as a young teenager, in any way that he can to get a B1G transfer waiver so that the student athlete can wrestle at his school of choice this season without losing any eligibility, because, it is the right thing to do for both the student athlete and B1G Wrestling.

The student athlete isn't going to wrestle at Penn State any longer regardless and he does not want to transfer to a school that can potentially beat Penn State this year.

Let the young man wrestle where he wants to wrestle.

And then the Big Ten can retroactively restore eligibility to every student athlete who lost a year of eligibility due to the Big Ten rule and petition the NCAA for a waiver of their eligibility rules so the student athletes have more than 5 years to complete their four years of competition. Right?

Or is Suriano just special because he wants to transfer to Rutgers? Entitled thinking at its best (worst?).

 

[NorthNJRUFan]

A coach wanting to upgrade from Vandy to PSU is hardly equivalent to an athlete leaving the #1 team to go to a #20 team. Did you care as much about Jered Cortez as you do Nick Suriano?

Got it. So you get to decide if the opportunity is better for the individual not the individual himself. Makes sense.

 

[matter7172]

Article on Hypocrit Sanderson selling out on his alma mater, Iowa St:

http://www.iowastatedaily.com/sports/article_802eec94-53ef-11e0-b2e1-001cc4c03286.html

Oh, good lord. Yeah, that's relevant. The funny thing is Iowa State finished 3rd in Nationals the year after Cael left, largely because he took only his brother from the Iowa State roster. I think the comments to the article say it all. The parting was as amicable as it could have been. Let's talk about the Brands/Virginia Tech debacle now.

 

[El-Jefe]

Article on Hypocrit Sanderson selling out on his alma mater, Iowa St:

http://www.iowastatedaily.com/sports/article_802eec94-53ef-11e0-b2e1-001cc4c03286.html

Another favorite from the Hawk playbook, as seen from the rear view mirror.

 

[PSUPOWER]

And then the Big Ten can retroactively restore eligibility to every student athlete who lost a year of eligibility due to the Big Ten rule and petition the NCAA for a waiver of their eligibility rules so the student athletes have more than 5 years to complete their four years of competition. Right?

Or is Suriano just special because he wants to transfer to Rutgers? Entitled thinking at its best (worst?).

For the record, I have been trying to get the B1G to align their transfer restrictions with just NCAA transfer restrictions across all sports for several years.

No NCAA program is permitted to try and poach or recruit D1 student athletes from another NCAA program. That isn't just a B1G rule. It is an NCAA rule.

If a D1 student athlete decides to transfer from his or her school they shouldn't lose more eligibility for deciding on one D1 school destination versus another.

It isn't fair to the student athlete.

And the additional transfer restrictions for internal B1G transfers gives D1 athletic programs outside of the B1G an advantage over 13 B1G athletic programs every time a B1G student athlete decides to transfer from their current school.

This is an issue for all B1G sports that are played by both men and women. It is not just a wrestling issue.

 

[FELONIOUSMONK]

Gary Dinmore from Jersey and formerly at PSU is now at Rider. Suriano could end up there ..Gary Taylor the retired Rider coach and one of the nicest guys you will ever meet built a nice little program there. Lets hope they dont torture Suriano. He is a good kid who just wants to be the best and wants to come home to do it

 

[matter7172]

For the record, I have been trying to get the B1G to align their transfer restrictions with just NCAA transfer restrictions across all sports for several years.

And if the B1G changes its rule, that is fine. But that's not the world we're in today and that doesn't change Suriano's situation. If they change the rule, I highly doubt it is a retroactive change, though.

If Suriano really, really wants to wrestle at Rutgers, he can. He just loses a year of competition eligibility. No need to whine, just accept the year loss like Cortez did.

And it actually *is* fair if the rule is known and agreed to. No one forced him to sign with Penn State initially.

 

[El-Jefe]

For the record, I have been trying to get the B1G to align their transfer restrictions with just NCAA transfer restrictions across all sports for several years.

No NCAA program is permitted to try and poach or recruit D1 student athletes from another NCAA program. That isn't just a B1G rule. It is an NCAA rule.

If a D1 student athlete decides to transfer from his or her school they shouldn't lose more eligibility for deciding on one D1 school destination versus another.

It isn't fair to the student athlete.

And the additional transfer restrictions for internal B1G transfers gives D1 athletic programs outside of the B1G an advantage over 13 B1G athletic programs every time a B1G student athlete decides to transfer from their current school.

This is an issue for all B1G sports that are played by both men and women. It is not just a wrestling issue.

That's a good point, though Indiana and Purdue are probably more wary of Urbz and Harbaugh than Nick Satan.

 

[biazza38]

Jay Bilas has picked up the story on twitter. Perfect!! Hopefully this picks up steam.

 

[Abro1975]

Lawsuit w depositions will be inevitable. Get Coach Cael, his brother, the Penn St AD, Hell Delaney himself, up on a stand, under oath, and pull a Hugh Freeze, and see what ugly stuff they find under rocks.

Let the games begin.

 

[matter7172]

Jay Bilas has picked up the story on twitter. Perfect!! Hopefully this picks up steam.

Oh, yay. A twitter lynch mob led by a basketball analyst. The world is safe! :rolleyes:
Maybe someone should clue Jay in that schools are not raking in millions and millions of dollars from wrestling. Talk about knee-jerk reactions from the uninformed.

 

[pawrestlersintn]

Lawsuit w depositions will be inevitable. Get Coach Cael, his brother, the Penn St AD, Hell Delaney himself, up on a stand, under oath, and pull a Hugh Freeze, and see what ugly stuff they find under rocks.

Let the games begin.

Cael issued release.
It is out of Cael's hands.
Any lawsuit will be between Suriano's and B1G. Good luck with that.

 

[pawrestlersintn]

Jay Bilas has picked up the story on twitter. Perfect!! Hopefully this picks up steam.

Chances are better that it picks up hot air.

 

[biazza38]

Oh, yay. A twitter lynch mob led by a basketball analyst. The world is safe! :rolleyes:
Maybe someone should clue Jay in that schools are not raking in millions and millions of dollars from wrestling. Talk about knee-jerk reactions from the uninformed.

You just proved his point by mentioning schools not taking in millions and millions of dollars off wrestling. He's an amateur athlete. He should wrestle where he wants. And for your information, social media steam puts pressure on schools. That's how these stories get picked up. Cam Johnson from Pitt was eventually released because it was spread by the media. This type of stuff happens every year. Bilas is who you want to pick it up. Politic wrote his article with the main purpose of guys like Bilas seeing it. You are clueless on how a story goes viral aren't you

 

[PSUPOWER]

And if the B1G changes its rule, that is fine. But that's not the world we're in today and that doesn't change Suriano's situation. If they change the rule, I highly doubt it is a retroactive change, though.

If Suriano really, really wants to wrestle at Rutgers, he can. He just loses a year of competition eligibility. No need to whine, just accept the year loss like Cortez did.

And it actually *is* fair if the rule is known and agreed to. No one forced him to sign with Penn State initially.

You can't change the past, but, you can change the present and have a positive impact on the future.

In this current situation,
Penn State benefits, because, the student athlete doesn't transfer to a National Championship contender or B1G Championship contender;
the B1G benefits, because, the student athlete stays within the B1G;
Rutgers benefits, because, the student athlete can help their wrestling team;
and most importantly, the student athlete benefits, because, he can come back home where he wants to be to go to school and wrestle.

It's a win, win, win, win and that has a positive impact.
Doing what is right usually does.

 

[pawrestlersintn]

You can't change the past, but, you can change the present and have a positive impact on the future.

In this current situation,
Penn State benefits, because, the student athlete doesn't transfer to a National Championship contender or B1G Championship contender;
the B1G benefits, because, the student athlete stays within the B1G;
Rutgers benefits, because, the student athlete can help their wrestling team;
and most importantly, the student athlete benefits, because, he can come back home where he wants to be to go to school and wrestle.

It's a win, win, win, win and that has a positive impact.
Doing what is right usually does.

Just because the team is not a contender, does not mean that Suriano might not have a huge impact on the B1G team race. You think him being in the 125 or 133 bracket won't affect how that bracket works out? Penn State will be in a dogfight with Ohio State, and Nick Suriano could influence that outcome. Individual sport with a team component is much different than a team sport.

 

[czxqa]

Cael issued release.
It is out of Cael's hands.
Any lawsuit will be between Suriano's and B1G. Good luck with that.

You guys keep harping on this and it's complete BS. Nick has his release from the school. He will have to sit this year per NCAA rules no matter where he goes. The issue at hand is whether the Big Ten will waive his losing a year of eligibility. Sanderson and Penn State can now either speak for or against him in that waiver process. If they support his waiver request, it doesn't mean it will be "rubberstamped" but it certainly would help versus speaking out against it.
Don't sit here acting like the whole thing is out of their hands and they are not involved in any way. It's utter bullshit.

 

[pawrestlersintn]

You guys keep harping on this and it's complete BS. Nick has his release from the school. He will have to sit this year per NCAA rules no matter where he goes. The issue at hand is whether the Big Ten will waive his losing a year of eligibility. Sanderson and Penn State can now either speak for or against him in that waiver process. If they support his waiver request, it doesn't mean it will be "rubberstamped" but it certainly would help versus speaking out against it.
Don't sit here acting like the whole thing is out of their hands and they are not involved in any way. It's utter bullshit.

It seems like I've said this before in this thread, but please answer the question. Why SHOULD Cael support the waiver, after having offered the release? To be a nice guy? So RU can get a great wrestler? To teach Suriano that you can make whatever choices you want in life and not have to live with the ramifications? To curry favor with you RU fans?

 

[dicemen99]

You guys keep harping on this and it's complete BS. Nick has his release from the school. He will have to sit this year per NCAA rules no matter where he goes. The issue at hand is whether the Big Ten will waive his losing a year of eligibility. Sanderson and Penn State can now either speak for or against him in that waiver process. If they support his waiver request, it doesn't mean it will be "rubberstamped" but it certainly would help versus speaking out against it.
Don't sit here acting like the whole thing is out of their hands and they are not involved in any way. It's utter bullshit.

You couldn't be more incorrect. Suriano is eligible by NCAA rules to compete immediately and receive scholarship funds because of PSU's release.

For the umpteenth time, this is now a B1G issue. There is plenty of precedence regarding this, but everyone wants to stick their heads in the sand about it.

 

[Hotshoe]

This thread, facts be damned. Evil Cael. Y'all better pray this rule is never changed. You'll see more poaching than one could imagine.

 

[Hotshoe]

You couldn't be more incorrect. Suriano is eligible by NCAA rules to compete immediately and receive scholarship funds because of PSU's release.

For the umpteenth time, this is now a B1G issue. There is plenty of precedence regarding this, but everyone wants to stick their heads in the sand about it.

Facts be damned. Cael is evil, he just is. How many posts have already contained misstatements regarding transferring? From the Iowa State crap to sitting out a year no matter what. Some simply deny facts and rules. Nick Suriano has his waiver from Penn State, deal with it. It's up to the B1G.

 

[PSUPOWER]

This thread, facts be damned. Evil Cael. Y'all better pray this rule is never changed. You'll see more poaching than one could imagine.

Poaching isn't tolerated. Try poaching more than one could imagine and see what happens.

 

[matter7172]

You just proved his point by mentioning schools not taking in millions and millions of dollars off wrestling. He's an amateur athlete. He should wrestle where he wants. And for your information, social media steam puts pressure on schools. That's how these stories get picked up. Cam Johnson from Pitt was eventually released because it was spread by the media. This type of stuff happens every year. Bilas is who you want to pick it up. Politic wrote his article with the main purpose of guys like Bilas seeing it. You are clueless on how a story goes viral aren't you

Do you understand the underlying argument that Bilas has been making for years about the "revenue" college sports (football and basketball) is based on the fact that the universities and the NCAA are making boatloads of money from the athletes? He wants them to be paid.

Not a big fan of lynch mob mentality, which is what social media is. Leads to as many, if not more, bad results as good ones.

 

[ruthetiger]

People, let's all educate ourselvessel on the rules.

 

[matter7172]

People, let's all educate ourselvessel on the rules.

Why would anyone want to do that? Here's the applicable rule:

2. Post Matriculation. A student-athlete that has signed a tender from a Conference institution and has triggered transfer status per NCAA Bylaw 14.5.2 (conditions affecting transfer status), may not represent an alternate Big Ten institution in intercollegiate athletics competition until the individual has completed one (1) full academic year of residence at the alternate (i.e.,
certifying) Big Ten institution and shall be charged with the loss of one (1) season of eligibility in all sports.

You have to try to be confused about this rule. It's absolutely clear. If you don't like it, you don't sign on with a B1G school - or you don't try to transfer to another B1G school unless you are willing to lose the year.

 

[biazza38]

Do you understand the underlying argument that Bilas has been making for years about the "revenue" college sports (football and basketball) is based on the fact that the universities and the NCAA are making boatloads of money from the athletes? He wants them to be paid.

Not a big fan of lynch mob mentality, which is what social media is. Leads to as many, if not more, bad results as good ones.

He's a 19 year old amateur athlete. The main point that's he's making is athletes (revenue or non revenue sport team) have zero power once that LOI is signed. Did you see the story about the UCF player rule ineligible? And are you kidding me with the lynch mob mentality? It's not as if we're breaking out the pitch forks and pointing them at someone who's innocent until proven guilty. These types of stories are exactly the types of stories that should be taken to social media. The athlete has no power in a situation like this and it's up to the fans prove how screwed up it is.

 

[PSU_Nut]

Lawsuit w depositions will be inevitable. Get Coach Cael, his brother, the Penn St AD, Hell Delaney himself, up on a stand, under oath, and pull a Hugh Freeze, and see what ugly stuff they find under rocks.

Let the games begin.

This has to be one of the dumbest post in this ire thread. First of all this is a B1G rule and has nothing to do with Penn State. There is not some magical waiver Penn State can give him. It completely up to the B1G to determine if they want to agree to it. Also he agreed to these terms when he signed his financial aid papers. Perhaps he should sue himself for not reading all the terms.

 

[PSU_Nut]

Any reason you didnt answer my question? I asked if you show as much
come out as strong against coaches in any sport when they "change their mind" and take another opportunity as you do a 19 year old wanting to change his mind and pursue another opportunity.

Still waiting to hear your answer. Did you go after James Franklin when he left Vandy? Seems unlikely but Im just asking if you are consistent or if you cherry pick to suit your agenda.

When you change your mind it has consequences. When Franklin lest Vandy he paid the buy out agreed to in his contract. When Suriano left Penn State shouldn't he fufil the terms that he agreed to when he went to Penn State? That is he transfers to another B1G school he loses a year of eligibility.

 

[koleszar]

Why wouldn't he? Well, Nick will potentially harm PSU's chances of winning a B1G title.
However, one more time, my question is "Why SHOULD he?" Why should he bend over backwards to help a kid who he gave a scholarship. I answered your question, now answer mine.

You won the title last year without him jackass. You return most of those points if not all. Rutgers isn't a threat to dethrone psu only Ohio St. is. We would take points in turn away from OSU. If he wanted to truly help the kid he would endorse granting the waiver. But no he decided another path which is to deny endorsing the waiver. Why do that and only release him to Rutgers, knowing that no matter what you hurt the kid. Sounds quite vindictive. O and by the way your answer completely sucked and lacked any type of knowledge.

 

[pawrestlersintn]

You won the title last year without him jackass. You return most of those points if not all. Rutgers isn't a threat to dethrone psu only Ohio St. is. We would take points in turn away from OSU. If he wanted to truly help the kid he would endorse granting the waiver. But no he decided another path which is to deny endorsing the waiver. Why do that and only release him to Rutgers, knowing that no matter what you hurt the kid. Sounds quite vindictive. O and by the way your answer completely sucked and lacked any type of knowledge.

So, you've just proven your reading comprehension skills are lacking or you have a severe lack of knowledge about college wrestling.
My message was clearly about the B1G championship, which Ohio State won last year, not Penn State. Plus, Ohio State returns a potentially stronger team this year. So, while Rutgers is not a threat, nor will they be for years to come, if ever in my lifetime, Suriano in the 125 bracket could definitely affect the outcome of the B1G championship.
So, your reason for wanting Cael to plead Nick's case to the B1G is because he would be truly helping the kid. Nick gets out of a contract that he (with his family's guidance) signed, fully knowing the ramifications. Nick learns the lesson that personal decisions have no consequences. How's that help him? And, Cael's reward? Rutgers fans saying how nice of a guy he is? Yeah, I'll bet.

 

[anon_0k9zlfz6lz9oy]

Oh, good lord. Yeah, that's relevant. The funny thing is Iowa State finished 3rd in Nationals the year after Cael left, largely because he took only his brother from the Iowa State roster. I think the comments to the article say it all. The parting was as amicable as it could have been. Let's talk about the Brands/Virginia Tech debacle now.

He didnt take david taylor as well? Arguably psus best wrestler of all time

 

[pawrestlersintn]

Is anyone on here concerned that Goodale may have talked to Suriano about the transfer prior to having permission from Cael to talk to him? I mean, you're all so concerned about Cael doing the right thing, and yet not a peep from any of you about a potential NCAA rules violation coming out of your program? Maybe Goodale should do the right thing, too. Don't you think? Ah, probably not.

 

[pawrestlersintn]

He didnt take david taylor as well? Arguably psus best wrestler of all time

Well, first, David Taylor is a 2-time NCAA champion. Ed Ruth is a 3-time champion. Both have 4 B1G championships to their credit.
Second, had you read the rest of this thread, you would know that the only matriculated athlete that Cael brought with him was his brother. At the time, Taylor had only signed an LOI and visited other schools after signing his LOI and Cael announced his departure. Athletes are routinely let out of their LOIs when head coaches depart.

 

[johnstownsteel]

As a PSU fan, I hope this matter forces the B10 to look into their transfer rules and they ultimately decide to ease them a bit and puts them in line with the ones the NCAA has in place. In the big scheme of things, I think it would help Penn State rather than hurt them and will eventually aid them in poaching wrestlers from your "Rutgers of the world" when they need to fill holes in their lineup. Whoever said parity is a good thing in college wrestling is a fool. I like " super teams" and I'm happy PSU is one of them. Who cares if Rutgers will ever be able to compete... hell.... some schools may eventually decide to drop their programs because they are a losing program losing money. There's too many teams out there anyway..

 

[dollarbill]

Is anyone on here concerned that Goodale may have talked to Suriano about the transfer prior to having permission from Cael to talk to him? I mean, you're all so concerned about Cael doing the right thing, and yet not a peep from any of you about a potential NCAA rules violation coming out of your program? Maybe Goodale should do the right thing, too. Don't you think? Ah, probably not.

Great point. And yes, we are all secretly very concerned. But this is New Jersey, a state with a culture of keeping your mouth shut. Or else. Ask Jimmy Hoffa. Thanks for stopping by. $$$$

 

[pawrestlersintn]

Great point. And yes, we are all secretly very concerned. But this is New Jersey, a state with a culture of keeping your mouth shut. Or else. Ask Jimmy Hoffa. Thanks for stopping by. $$$$

I'll be sure not to ask the question when I travel over there tomorrow, particularly not in the back of any dimly lit restaurants with a bunch of Italian food being served.