O/T: USMNT - Klinsman fired

[mildone]

HS coaching is not relevant because the best boy players do not play HS anymore - they play academy soccer which is year-round. The girls are switching to this next year. The academies are more interested in winning, getting kids into college and making money than developing players for international. There has been such a lack of players who make it internationally that youth players don't even think about it to be honest. A good college is the end game for most.

Many young athletic players are also persuaded to play lax than soccer because college scholarships are easier to get (national college sport but regional HS sport). 5 players from my daughter's club team have quit playing to play lax full-time - they all got D1 schollies they would have never got from soccer - from big schools also.

Agreed on the other stuff, but I think HS coaching IS relevant. Because I think there are under-the-radar kids that can't afford to play academy soccer (not all academies are free, most are in business to make money). So many kids, some who are better than those who join academy teams, miss out. So the lack of coaching quality in HS puts those lower income players even farther behind.

 

[mildone]

I never would have played in a new formation against Mexico of all teams in a WC qualifier if that is what you are asking.

That's not retrospective either and I am far from the only person to have pointed this out at the time. Plenty of people who "have forgotten more than you and I...." had some interesting comments at the time on Twitter.

He lost the team IMO. You could see it against CR. That formation choice may have been the final straw.

I'm not saying he didn't lose the team, nor am I saying he didn't make mistakes. But he's still a considerably more experienced, well-mentored, better coach than I am. And I've learned enough to realize how much more there is to learn and not to claim I would've known better.

It's always easy to coach from the cheap seats. Ain't so easy when it's me calling the shots.

 

[mildone]

Many in the European soccer community would disagree, including his pal Joachim Low

Show me a quote from Joachim where he says Jurgen doesn't know how to coach.

 

[topdecktiger]

Show me a quote from Joachim where he says Jurgen doesn't know how to coach.

Didn't say Low said Klinsman didn't know how to coach. Don't twist words. What I said was, Klinsman is not very well respected for his tactics in the European community. As I responded to the other poster, it has been mentioned several times that even Low doesn't think Klinsman is a particularly adept tactician. Not that he's bad, just that he isn't particularly good.

So the lack of coaching quality in HS puts those lower income players even farther behind.

The problem is relying on high school coaches in the first place. In other countries, the professional clubs have their own academies that train kids from nearly Day 1. No way playing high school ball in the U.S compares to that. Plus, being trained by Manchester United or Real Madrid all your life tops whatever kind of academy we have over here.

 

[RuSnp]

I'm not saying he didn't lose the team, nor am I saying he didn't make mistakes. But he's still a considerably more experienced, well-mentored, better coach than I am. And I've learned enough to realize how much more there is to learn and not to claim I would've known better.

It's always easy to coach from the cheap seats. Ain't so easy when it's me calling the shots.

Mild you are a very good poster on this board but on this one I have to stay in disagreement.

This a fan messageboard. Criticizing coaches/players/strangers from a position of general ignorance is my favorite part.

Anyway, all this negativity about Klinsmann aside he is on my "list of people to get a beer with". Very interesting dude. And the quintessential "big game" striker.

 

[mildone]

The problem is relying on high school coaches in the first place. In other countries, the professional clubs have their own academies that train kids from nearly Day 1. No way playing high school ball in the U.S compares to that. Plus, being trained by Manchester United or Real Madrid all your life tops whatever kind of academy we have over here.

True. We have more of that sort of thing going on now, but it's nothing like Europe.

 

[mildone]

This a fan messageboard. Criticizing coaches/players/strangers from a position of general ignorance is my favorite part.

Actually, that's a really good point, as well as being funny. I don't really expect anybody else to not criticize so much as I'm just explaining why I am always slow to join in the criticism.

Anyway, all this negativity about Klinsmann aside he is on my "list of people to get a beer with". Very interesting dude. And the quintessential "big game" striker.

He does seem interesting. Although I vote we have a beer and then do some hookers and blow with him. :D

I have often thought about how cool it would be to get to hang around and observe all the training and game-day coaching that takes place on some of the top club teams in Europe. Would be fascinating, I would think.

 

[RUevolution36]

We aren't lacking in talent. One of JK's biggest failures, imo, is playing guys out of their natural position. Fabian at LB, cameron at various positions, Bradley as a #10, yedlin as a rm/rw, the progression of CB's at LB, strikers out wide...puts guys in unfamiliar positions and sets them up for failure. We already don't have the most quick thinking players. Putting them where a split second more thinking needs to go into positioning, calculating passing lanes, etc, is enough to turn any tactical nuance into a failure.

Look at the Belgian team...chock full of world class talent...but always underperform defensively and in transition because they don't have proper fullbacks...And play guys line vertonghen out there.