Talk is cheap. How big of a check can you write? Money can solve a lot of problems.
No More Schiano
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And the Kool Aid drinking fanboy strikes again. You must be one of those delusional fanboys who predicted that Rutgers would have a ten win season and be a dark horse for the CFP. Well, how did that turn out? Schiano may be a good guy, but he has NEVER shown the capacity to be a great coach. It is one mediocre season after another. The 2006 season was almost twenty years ago. Maybe it is time for a change?
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Please. Greg is not the only person on the planet who can coach Rutgers football. This argument that he is the only one is absurd. He has had enough time to prove what type of coach he is, and that is a mediocre coach who no one else wants as head coach. Of course, Rutgers does not have the $$$ to buy him out, so we are stuck with several more years of mediocre football. And at this point, with no AD and no President, he can coast with no accountability.
I doubt it
I’m your average fan and I would think you would take that end game situation
Every time
The other guy having to make a 58 yarder with stiff wind ?
Don’t give their coach a chance to change it !
Sign me up for that end game
LOL, you want a new coach with our NIL resources. Prepare to be disappointed.
No good coach is coming to RU with a fan base that hasn't done jack squat for a coach they demanded to have back and restore the program from one of the worst in P5. It will be nothing more than Ash & Flood type hires because good coaches demand the money up front and our notoriously stingy fan base will continue to say we need to see wins first and then find another excuse why they won't pony up.
None of the loudest complaining mouth breathers write any checks to support the program. They want championships while dumpster diving behind Kmart and Sears.
It’s year 5 and we are making the 2nd consecutive bowl. Not too mention we have players projected to get drafted. That’s progress. If you expect CFP, then that’s on you.
Most don’t even attend the games & then they complain that the game is on a pay channel that they won’t pay for
Late on purpose. Called just before snap so that the kick wouldn’t count.
Complete bullshit for him to insinuate he wanted to be sure the D was prepped for a fake. Absolutely no chance for a fake in that situation.
He’s terrible. And arrogant without any success to back it up. Longtime losing coach with an insufferable ego is all he is.
If you're on a fixed income I can understand, if not a few less overpriced Starbucks coffees will easily cover $10/month for Knights of the Raritan.Hmm, you're right. I can't pay for NIL. But I know someone who can.
IMO you have to look at the average per year of the contract vs the actual figure in a given year. Everyone is in different parts of their deals so the rank in any given year can be a little misleading.
Matt Rhule makes 6M some odd this year but his avg salary is actually 9M on his contract.
Besides just paying more doesn’t suddenly make anything better. Money is helpful no doubt and you’d rather have it than not but it’s not some cure all and just throwing it around willy nilly doesn’t necessarily solve anything. There are so many examples.
Mark Stoops is a good coach and has had two 10 win seasons at UK in his tenure. I like him and think he’s done what you can expect at UK but he got a 9yr deal paying him about 9M/yr. I didn’t think that was prudent at all despite some good success there. He’s been 7-6/3-5 the last two years there and is currently 4-7/1-7. Is that worth 9M/yr. I see some fans are getting restless there and and want him fired but it would cost 44M.
With 14 seconds left to play, this was the ideal place for the prevent. Rush 3 let him run around all he wants and have 8 players to tackle the receiver. But then I thought about what was on the field. The field goal block team. Probably mostly speed rushers. Cant' call timeout because they just burned one on the kick. So they went to a full blitz with what 4 back? Can't really fault that decision. He just got the pass off and the receiver outran 4 guys. It happens but statistically not often.
The time out? Monday morning quarterbacking. Not one of you complained when this worked and froze the kicker in the past. Schiano's 4th year back, we're going to our second earned bowl game and we had a ranked team going down for the first time since USF in 2007 until the last 14 seconds. No more Schiano? GTFO. This team in the past three games has hit its stride. Look what we did to Minnesota then look at what Minnesota did to Penn State. This team has turned the corner. It was a gut-wrenching loss. Get over it. We've got a bowl game to play and a bright future for the first time in.
The time out? Monday morning quarterbacking. Not one of you complained when this worked and froze the kicker in the past. Schiano's 4th year back, we're going to our second earned bowl game and we had a ranked team going down for the first time since USF in 2007 until the last 14 seconds. No more Schiano? GTFO. This team in the past three games has hit its stride. Look what we did to Minnesota then look at what Minnesota did to Penn State. This team has turned the corner. It was a gut-wrenching loss. Get over it. We've got a bowl game to play and a bright future for the first time in.
And exactly how many times have you seen an attempted FG, an opposing TO called and then the team comes back and decides to go for it? Never. So the argument that it was foreseeable that Bielema was going to come back with the Hail Mary attempt is after-the-fact criticism. Yeah sure everyone can criticize it now. But at that time, with seconds to make the decision as Schiano said, it's reasonable. Like Bielema said, that kicker hit from 62 during halftime warmups. The wind has to calm for three seconds. Hey what goes around comes around. Ito got a second chance to beat Louisville when they went offside. So we have this heartbreaker to even the score. It is what it is.
The debate--and results--never change in the Schiano Era. Mediocre football at it's most mediocre. Take OSU, PSU and UM out of the schedule and you still get...Schiano Mediocrity. He's a .500 coach. It's unreal that some people still think he's going to deliver anything better.
And the few I know that do write big size checks are no where near the “fire Greg” mentality at this point in time.
You don’t get a vote. Get used to it he is not going anywhere.
It’s not even a discussion 😂
Add to that the ineptitude of the institution of Rutgers which would be in charge of the next higher!
84 teams go to a bowl. Please.
Any hire takes some diligence and some luck to work out, regardless of past history.
IU is the losingest program in the FBS or P5 and had two decent years under Tom Allen, would’ve even made a 12 team playoff in the covid year. Now they have a strong chance to actually make a 12 team playoff this year if they finish off Purdue.
Kansas went through 6 coaches in 11 years to finally land on Leipold who has made them respectable with some bowls and even finished last year ranked.
Now more than ever regardless of how bad the situation a fan should have hope. You see so many quick turnarounds and things happening in CFB that haven’t happened in a long time or have never happened.
Agree, and further the level of support for this utterly atrocious decision just goes to show how clueless so many are about him generally. One excuse after another after another. Always dodging, never accountable.
1978-1869 = 109 years without a bowl for RUTGERS.. the team we are discussing
Sure, we COULD have gone in 1961 and 1976.. and best that's 98 years of football before sniffing a bowl game.
Bowl games began in 1902.. so lets subtract 33 from above numbers.. so that's 76 years and 65 years, respectively.
27 years between 1978 and 2005.. no bowl.
Schiano takes over a team in 2001 that hadn't been to a bowl game since 1978, some 23 years of consecutive futility.
He takes us to Bowl games in 6 of teh next 11 years.
We also go to bowl games for 3 years after he left.. and then, nothing until he returns.
Then in 2020 he takes over a Rutger program that had not been to a bowl game since 2014 and fixes teh academics APR situation that other coaches let lapse and we back out way into a bowl game in 2021 and win one in 2023.. that's 2 bowl games in 4 years..
Make that 3 bowl games in 5 years....
And some people here are pissing and moaning about it.. because, damn it, they are such winners that this is just not good enough for them. They demand more .
I would not put Rutgers in the same category as Indiana or Kansas as far as the institutional capabilities and how it is Run, Rutgers is run by self important elitist liberals, who don’t value athletics like IU and KU.
It’s poorly run and always has been. Ever hear of the RU screw!
Those clowns are incapable and have to get incredibly lucky. Robert Mulchay, was the best thing to ever happen to Rutgers. Before him was Fred Gruninger, rest his soul.
Fred was not near as capable as RM, nobody at Rutgers now who has any power or influence is capable of making a football coaching hire.
With the current state of NJ politics it ain’t happening anytime soon.
Greg is not going anywhere! That is the best thing for Rutgers Football! No coach will ever have what Greg has in terms of political might needed to run a football program except maybe his preordained successor 20 years from now.
It’s the only road to success at Rutgers. Everything else would be an exercise in futility and embarrassment!
what a terrible post from you1978-1869 = 109 years without a bowl for RUTGERS.. the team we are discussing
Sure, we COULD have gone in 1961 and 1976.. and best that's 98 years of football before sniffing a bowl game.
Bowl games began in 1902.. so lets subtract 33 from above numbers.. so that's 76 years and 65 years, respectively.
27 years between 1978 and 2005.. no bowl.
Schiano takes over a team in 2001 that hadn't been to a bowl game since 1978, some 23 years of consecutive futility.
He takes us to Bowl games in 6 of teh next 11 years.
We also go to bowl games for 3 years after he left.. and then, nothing until he returns.
Then in 2020 he takes over a Rutger program that had not been to a bowl game since 2014 and fixes teh academics APR situation that other coaches let lapse and we back out way into a bowl game in 2021 and win one in 2023.. that's 2 bowl games in 4 years..
Make that 3 bowl games in 5 years....
And some people here are pissing and moaning about it.. because, damn it, they are such winners that this is just not good enough for them. They demand more .
your attempt to maximize and stargaze making a bowl is beyond absurd and the manner that you projected it far worse
making a bowl has become meaningless as each school is padding with two patsies so you only need 4 wins in conference. He's right, 84 teams make a bowl which is roughly half and the amount of bowls has exploded. And RU made the Garden State Bowl, turned down the Liberty Bowl due to finals and came knocking 2x under Graber when bowls actually meant something given the limited number and records needed.
you're better than your attempt here
Even if we looked back to 1981, when I guess most folks would consider was the start of playing "big-time" college football (maybe 1980, but that was the last year we played 3 1AA schools), we only would've gone to 6 bowls in 20 years before Schiano, assuming the current criterion of having a 0.500 record applied back then. Then, Schiano 1.0 went to bowls in 6 of 11 seasons, the first two of which shouldn't even count, given he inherited the worst ever college football team. Then we went 3 out of 8 years in Flood/Ash, where a trained monkey could've gotten us to 6 wins in Flood's first 2 years with Greg's best talent. And now we're about to 2 out of 5 in Schiano 2.0, where again, he inherited one of the worst 1A teams ever. So it's 8 of 16 in GS years and 9 of 28 in non-GS years, which is much better under Schiano although to me the real data point is bowling in 9 of 12 teams with Schiano-level talent (2003 thru 2014) and I'm hoping we're on that trajectory now, too.
I watched their kicker at halftime and he was missing them in the wind. In hindsight, the icing the kicker didn't bother me as much as sending the house on fourth and 13 knowing how this defense gives a cushion to receivers. The blitz didn't really affect the quarterback and they were able to find a wide-open receiver.
Basically all we needed was to tackle them hard in bounds on a reception not in the end zone so that they wouldn’t have time to snap it again. There were 14 seconds left in the game.
Not really, the pass was caught with approx 6 seconds on the clock and was at 4 seconds when he scored. Clock stops with the 1st down and they spike it then send out FG unit again.
Only way to win the game was by preventing the first down as it was 4th down. So a sack, incompletion or reception tackled behind the sticks would have sealed the game.
Yes.. too often.. both GS1.0 and now GS2.0 sends the house on 3rd (or 4th) and long.
It's like a poker player always going for the hero call. When it works you feel great.. how aggressive you are. (Louisville 2006). But its a bad strategy.
Hmm.. maybe it is because our prevent D has failed multiple times?
Can we stop with this fake narrative?
Flood: rushed hire (due to Schiano leaving late) made to save a recruiting class
Ash: Career defensive assistant who never came close to touching an offense
That's the big defense of keeping HC Schiano?
Stick to defending him using actual facts (back to back bowls etc).
When a team wins its the kids and when a team loses its the coaches. Always has been and always will be.
The fire Shciano crowd seem to forget the Ash era. Yeah we lost 3 close games this year, it sucks.
We have no culture of winning. Zero. None. It is hard to win. It is hard to break that cycle. When you play with the mindset of not losing (as a player and coach) it leads to issues. But is a hard cycle to break.
The fire Shciano crowd seem to forget the Ash era. Yeah we lost 3 close games this year, it sucks.
We have no culture of winning. Zero. None. It is hard to win. It is hard to break that cycle. When you play with the mindset of not losing (as a player and coach) it leads to issues. But is a hard cycle to break.
I really wish we had these conversations at my annual review.
"Listen. You have been doing an okay job. Youre set for life though. Did you see all the bad hires we made 40 years ago? We don't trust ourselves to hire better so you can stay around forever. We had a bad process for 2 hires before you so we're not even considering trying to make another hiring process."
The posts defending HC Schiano based on Ash, Flood and bowl record in the 1940s are hysterical.
Talk about grasping at straws.
Is there really so few other arguments?
"Listen. You have been doing an okay job. Youre set for life though. Did you see all the bad hires we made 40 years ago? We don't trust ourselves to hire better so you can stay around forever. We had a bad process for 2 hires before you so we're not even considering trying to make another hiring process."
The posts defending HC Schiano based on Ash, Flood and bowl record in the 1940s are hysterical.
Talk about grasping at straws.
Is there really so few other arguments?
Is the university willing to step up and bring in a well known, top notch coach. Do you believe RU will pay out GS and pay a top notch HC essentially double what they pay GS. Paying someone somewhere in the middle of the B1G coaching salary range is not going to cut it...which means taking a chance on a lesser known potential HC to step up from a DC or OC successful position...which hasn't helped us much in past.
GS approach seems to be 2 steps forward 1 step back, but there is progress. I'll take that vs. a chance on bringing in a HC that probably has a higher probability of taking 3-4 steps back rather than 1-2 steps forward. Let's get the next recruiting class in, which is continuing to trend upward. Let's get some of the NIL stuff somehow working for us. Let's get alumni to demand more from businesses, media, etc.
I just look at the coaching hires we've made since Graber was fired. They either completely ruined the place, or one guy turned the program into a reliably bowl eligible team. I could have some Stockholm syndrome going on, but I'll take a bowl eligible team. It means you're at least winning half of your games.
