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OT: 2 fairly well known NJ Breweries closing down

Pretty sure Jughandle has departed us already a few months ago.
Well there you have it. The fact that I don’t know and live 5 miles away says everything you need to know about over saturation. And I have a fridge full of local brews and have been drinking local for greater than 20 years. I guess I can burn that $50 gift card. You know their product is bad when you can’t even find something to buy with a gift card.

Couldn’t use for tastings.
 
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Yeah, Jughandle is done.

I went to Bakes recently and it was a mob scene in a good way. They've done a great job in the space they have. I have no intel on their distro, but the beer on tap was quite good and there's been a tremendous response from the community.

Beach Haus reminds me of Laurita Winery. Love the venue, hate the output.

I think Red Tank was listed for sale last year. Not sure what happened there.

Reality is any of these guys who opened in the last 5-7 years are going to have a hard time sustaining unless they have deep pockets good branding and decent distro. Too much of a shift in drinking habits and the intro of legal pot has capped the industry.
Zoomers definitely prefer smoking weed and vaping over drinking. Millennials and Gen X are basically the generations keeping craft beer and alcohol in general afloat.
 
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Any newer NJ brewers I need to try? My usual go to/faves are Kane, Conclave, Troon, Icarus, Magnify, Brix, Carton, Cape May, Source, Twin Elephant, Tonewood and maybe a couple others I'm not thinking of right now.
Kane and Icarus are the cream in that list. I like cape may for quick access and dependable easy drinkers.

But some that I like not on your list.
Birdsmouth opened in ft Monmouth. Not much distribution but good product. One of the old brew master from Kane is over there.

Bradley brew project has some good stuff also.
 
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Kane and Icarus are the cream in that list. I like cape may for quick access and dependable easy drinkers.

But some that I like not on your list.
Birdsmouth opened in ft Monmouth. Not much distribution but good product. One of the old brew master from Kane is over there.


Bradley brew project has some good stuff also.
Distribution is not as important as the taproom success. Distribution has too much expenses, the distribution and retail components. Tap rooms are selling beers on tap for $7/8 which is almost all profit. They aren't making that on a retail 4pack. In PA many are opening other tap rooms away from the brewery and making a lot of money by doing that.
 
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Distribution is not as important as the taproom success. Distribution has too much expenses, the distribution and retail components. Tap rooms are selling beers on tap for $7/8 which is almost all profit. They aren't making that on a retail 4pack. In PA many are opening other tap rooms away from the brewery and making a lot of money by doing that.
Yep agreed. Mentioned distribution only because some people only know of certain brands they see in their local liquor store. Can’t get caught up in being everywhere. But you have to be somewhere.

Remember talking with head of distribution at Kane prior to pandemic and he said it’s a fine line. You can go the cape may huge distribution route or go the Kane/Icarus model and concentrate on local. Margins are far greater in the local distribution/tap room and smaller batches than mega regional distribution.
 
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Any newer NJ brewers I need to try? My usual go to/faves are Kane, Conclave, Troon, Icarus, Magnify, Brix, Carton, Cape May, Source, Twin Elephant, Tonewood and maybe a couple others I'm not thinking of right now.
Battle River here in Toms River is underrated and worth a trip. Lots of different beers and seltzers for the ladies
 
Distribution is not as important as the taproom success. Distribution has too much expenses, the distribution and retail components. Tap rooms are selling beers on tap for $7/8 which is almost all profit. They aren't making that on a retail 4pack. In PA many are opening other tap rooms away from the brewery and making a lot of money by doing that.

Mudhen in Wildwood is like that.. Average beer but a great, fun spot to visit. Atmosphere, food, live music, etc
 
Yep agreed. Mentioned distribution only because some people only know of certain brands they see in their local liquor store. Can’t get caught up in being everywhere. But you have to be somewhere.

Remember talking with head of distribution at Kane prior to pandemic and he said it’s a fine line. You can go the cape may huge distribution route or go the Kane/Icarus model and concentrate on local. Margins are far greater in the local distribution/tap room and smaller batches than mega regional distribution.
The Cape Maybe model isn't a success financially. To support the Philadelphia region most of that beer is being contracted out so they are making very little. However they did a great job self distribution along the south Jersey shore as they are on tap in every place I've been to down there. That may change as they gave up their rights this past September and signed on to several distributors.
Brewers just need to concentrate on the local bars in their area and they can be very successful.
 
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Distribution is not as important as the taproom success. Distribution has too much expenses, the distribution and retail components. Tap rooms are selling beers on tap for $7/8 which is almost all profit. They aren't making that on a retail 4pack. In PA many are opening other tap rooms away from the brewery and making a lot of money by doing that.
Disagree. A good disto deal will keep the lights on, allowing the taproom to move beer, host events and make $.
I witnessed firsthand what happens when a distro deal falls through for a brewry. its ugly.
 
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Yes so far. I know Kane also started their own distro company but not sure that went anywhere.
Yea from what I heard that was in direct response to Covid restrictions. Looks like they have backed away from that idea and are back to concentrating on limited distribution and enhanced taproom experience.
 
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The Cape Maybe model isn't a success financially. To support the Philadelphia region most of that beer is being contracted out so they are making very little. However they did a great job self distribution along the south Jersey shore as they are on tap in every place I've been to down there. That may change as they gave up their rights this past September and signed on to several distributors.
Brewers just need to concentrate on the local bars in their area and they can be very successful.
Yea I saw that much of their product for larger distribution is produced in upstate NY and Lehigh valley area.

I hope they don’t overextend themselves. I like much of their product. Need to concentrate on what they know. Their seltzer are awful.
 
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Disagree. A good disto deal will keep the lights on, allowing the taproom to move beer, host events and make $.
I witnessed firsthand what happens when a distro deal falls through for a brewry. its ugly.
I didn't say distribution was not important. I said it's not as important as a good taproom. Any distribution success is icing on the cake.
 
The Cape Maybe model isn't a success financially. To support the Philadelphia region most of that beer is being contracted out so they are making very little. However they did a great job self distribution along the south Jersey shore as they are on tap in every place I've been to down there. That may change as they gave up their rights this past September and signed on to several distributors.
Brewers just need to concentrate on the local bars in their area and they can be very successful.

Ironically the one place they are not on tap is at the biggest restaurant in Cape May, The Lobster House. Good spot but my god their beer choices are stuck in 1970. No draft beer and choices are the classic 1975 beer kings, Bud, Miller, Heineken, Amstell Lite.
 
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The Cape Maybe model isn't a success financially. To support the Philadelphia region most of that beer is being contracted out so they are making very little. However they did a great job self distribution along the south Jersey shore as they are on tap in every place I've been to down there. That may change as they gave up their rights this past September and signed on to several distributors.
Brewers just need to concentrate on the local bars in their area and they can be very successful.
Just about every liquor in CNJ has Cape May beer as well, they really do a great job in distribution.

And spring/summer time their shandys fly off the shelf.
 
Ironically the one place they are not on tap is at the biggest restaurant in Cape May, The Lobster House. Good spot but my god their beer choices are stuck in 1970. No draft beer and choices are the classic 1975 beer kings, Bud, Miller, Heineken, Amstell Lite.
That why I stopped going there. It's like hotels in Manhattan. Same thing.
 
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This. Why would I pay for 4 beets when I can get 12? This is not a question I am asking, but a question a layman would. Just like cupcakes and burger joints before it, the market got saturated and people stop caring. The Acai bowl should be next. The places that did not overburden themselves with debt will survive.

It's a tough business when you're creating a business model based on a trend that has a missive startup cost to open the doors.

I really look forward to hearing about the first celebrity to lose their shirt on their "hot" tequila brand. It's coming and probably soon. Lookin at you MJ.

People keep chasing business trends and the same outcome just keeps continuing.

I wouldn't pay $12 for 4 beets either :>). But I'll pay 20 for a 12 pack Sam Adams Octoberfest or Jacks Abbey Lager.
 
Any newer NJ brewers I need to try? My usual go to/faves are Kane, Conclave, Troon, Icarus, Magnify, Brix, Carton, Cape May, Source, Twin Elephant, Tonewood and maybe a couple others I'm not thinking of right now.
Autodidact
 
That, and the trend ran super hot and was destined to cool.

A local brewery was once a novelty, now almost every town has at least one, and beer store fridges are a rainbow of options.
They also completely went in one flavor direction…. Electing to go all in with who can out hop the next it seems. IMO this has only shrunk the market of potential buyers (other taste preferences moving on) and flooded it with one style that there simply is too much supply on the market to be supported by the current demand.

I feel it would have been better for some of these breweries to stick to what they were originally good at and with the loyal customers that built their businesses instead of dumping them for the IPA craze wave entirely.

As an example…. Amber Ale’s (Fat Tire) once dominated the microbrewery scene and their were some damn good ones over the years. Amber Ale’s have completely disappeared in the past decade and those loyal customers (like myself) that preferred that style now buy other beverages (bourbon), as I cannot stand IPA. It has gotten so bad that Fat Tire dumped their 30+ year recipe for a new lighter IPA style to try and capture the hyper competitive market BUT still call it Fat Tire. That will only further push the closing of other breweries.
 
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They also completely went in one flavor direction…. Electing to go all in with who can out hop the next it seems. IMO this has only shrunk the market of potential buyers (other taste preferences moving on) and flooded it with one style that there simply is too much supply on the market to be supported by the current demand.

I feel it would have been better for some of these breweries to stick to what they were originally good at and with the loyal customers that built their businesses instead of dumping them for the IPA craze wave entirely.

As an example…. Amber Ale’s (Fat Tire) once dominated the microbrewery scene and their were some damn good ones over the years. Amber Ale’s have completely disappeared in the past decade and those loyal customers (like myself) that preferred that style now buy other beverages (bourbon), as I cannot stand IPA. It has gotten so bad that Fat Tire dumped their 30+ year recipe for a new lighter IPA style to try and capture the hyper competitive market BUT still call it Fat Tire. That will only further push the closing of other breweries.
And this the underlying issue with craft beer today. The people who started off with craft beer (primarily millennials in their 20s after college) have graduated to bourbon or tequila or rum or scotch in their 30s as their palettes have matured along with their disposable incomes, and the Zoomer generation are tee totalers who just smoke weed primarily so the craft brewery industry has a loss of volume on their hands.
 
Any newer NJ brewers I need to try? My usual go to/faves are Kane, Conclave, Troon, Icarus, Magnify, Brix, Carton, Cape May, Source, Twin Elephant, Tonewood and maybe a couple others I'm not thinking of right now.
Someone mentioned Autodidact which I thought was solid. Double Tap is within a couple of miles and does a good job. Nice beer selection, live music sometimes and it's in an old post office.
Ironically the one place they are not on tap is at the biggest restaurant in Cape May, The Lobster House. Good spot but my god their beer choices are stuck in 1970. No draft beer and choices are the classic 1975 beer kings, Bud, Miller, Heineken, Amstell Lite.
Some places just don't get it. Plenty of times, I look at a tap list to help make a decision where to eat. At least put two local taps with decent beer and that helps sway my decision.
 
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And this the underlying issue with craft beer today. The people who started off with craft beer (primarily millennials in their 20s after college) have graduated to bourbon or tequila or rum or scotch in their 30s as their palettes have matured along with their disposable incomes, and the Zoomer generation are tee totalers who just smoke weed primarily so the craft brewery industry has a loss of volume on their hands.
Totally… If I was a brewery nearing the possibility of closing because we were struggling to grab a portion of the saturated IPA market, I would really rconsider looking at producing some other styles that are impossible to find right now.

Amber Ale, Irish Reds, English Pub Ales or even Hefeweizen and similar stuff like that. I am certain there is enough existing interest/market to support the initial brewers that made the switch.
 
Totally… If I was a brewery nearing the possibility of closing because we were struggling to grab a portion of the saturated IPA market, I would really rconsider looking at producing some other styles that are impossible to find right now.

Amber Ale, Irish Reds, English Pub Ales or even Hefeweizen and similar stuff like that. I am certain there is enough existing interest/market to support the initial brewers that made the switch.
Problem is the people in NJ who are most actively brewery hopping are not looking for those styles, your taproom would be empty
 
Any newer NJ brewers I need to try? My usual go to/faves are Kane, Conclave, Troon, Icarus, Magnify, Brix, Carton, Cape May, Source, Twin Elephant, Tonewood and maybe a couple others I'm not thinking of right now.

In South Jersey - I really like Farm Truck in Medford which is fairly new (1-2 years old).

Tonewood is my favorite by far. Also like Double Nickel.
 
Problem is the people in NJ who are most actively brewery hopping are not looking for those styles, your taproom would be empty
That may be true our not… I don’t (brew hop) because I HATE IPA and I cannot believe all the people like me that enjoyed the original microbrew and other offerings just disappeared.

We stopped going to the breweries because all they offered was different versions of IPA. Now that the market is literally overflowing with them to the point that breweries must close, maybe they should consider a reboot. They have have the set up and equipment.
 
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That may be true our not… I don’t (brew hop) because I HATE IPA and I cannot believe all the people like me that enjoyed the original microbrew and other offerings just disappeared.

We stopped going to the breweries because all they offered was different versions of IPA. Now that the market is literally overflowing with them to the point that breweries must close, maybe they should consider a reboot. They have have the set up and equipment.
Mentioned this new brewery earlier in post. The fact that everyone else concentrates on IPA is why they decided to go “all lager”. They have some hoppy stuff. But it’s not one specific vertical in a wide range of styles available.

 
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What was the catalyst for zoomers to become teetotalers and head towards weed? I feel like drinking is a right of passage in HS and college. How does something like that change so drastically. From the 70s through the 2010s everyone drank beer and than nothing?

we’ve always been a nation of booze hounds. Heck tons of founding fathers and good old Henry were brewers.

On the slip side I live in Pittsburgh and I haven’t seen any breweries out here close. Just more open up.
 
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