OT: 2024 NY Giants Season Thread

[Tango Two]

Dexter Lawrence injury: NY Giants have likely lost best player, team leader for season

The Giants have lost seven games in a row, and now they are facing yet another significant setback. Dexter Lawrence is likely out for the season.

www.mycentraljersey.com

 

[Tango Two]

A plea to John Mara: Do right by your NY Giants, bring back Joe Schoen and Brian Daboll

The bold move, and the right one for NY Giants, is to give this regime another shot at pulling the organization out of this tail spin with conviction.

www.mycentraljersey.com

 

[Tango Two]

NY Giants draft picks: Here's where they are set to pick in first round of 2025 NFL Draft

The Giants are on pace to have one of the top picks in the 2025 NFL Draft. Here's where they are projected to select entering Week 13.

www.mycentraljersey.com

 

[Tango Two]

Does Giants’ Brian Daboll have a prayer? What Mara history says about coaches and long losing streaks

Big Blue has lost seven in a row and the number is likely to climb

www.nj.com

 

[ashokan]

Headed for the #1 draft pick probs

 

[Tango Two]

Inside NY Giants' decade of despair: How they got here, and this regime's fight to survive​

Inside NY Giants' decade of despair: How they got here, and this regime's fight to survive

The Giants were losing well before Joe Schoen and Brian Daboll arrived. Retracing the missteps that got them here and where this team goes now.

www.mycentraljersey.com

 

[ashokan]

Inside NY Giants' decade of despair: How they got here, and this regime's fight to survive​

Inside NY Giants' decade of despair: How they got here, and this regime's fight to survive

The Giants were losing well before Joe Schoen and Brian Daboll arrived. Retracing the missteps that got them here and where this team goes now.

www.mycentraljersey.com

No mention of NYG's OL as it tanked after Super Bowls.
The OL was why Eli was off - he was a long ball thrower who had zero time.
Slants to OBL were main pass .
Giants still have no OL - the game got more athletic with smaller/faster players but NYGs kept drafting big mountains who couldn't move. Hernandez and Flowers were like telephone polls flashing by DLs peripheral vision as they crashed into pocket.
Eli sucked as a short passer in his first year - he hit his stride years later when he had big WRs like Plaxico (most underrated NYG WR)

Its amazing how good those guys were

 

[Tango Two]

Could MetLife Stadium apathy for Saints game doom Giants’ Joe Schoen, Brian Daboll?

The Giants are 2-10.

www.nj.com

 

[ashokan]

6' 7" 340 lbs but cant move (Flowers, Hernandez et al - NYGs = size over athletic ability) .

 

[Tango Two]

NY Giants vs. New Orleans Saints: Live updates, how to watch, prediction

The 2-10 NY Giants are taking on the 4-8 New Orleans Saints in Week 14. Can Tyler Nubin and depleted Big Blue run defense stop Alvin Kamara?

www.mycentraljersey.com

 

[Postman_1]

 

[koleszar]

Burn it all down. I'm now in the boat of the GM has to go as well; he's assembled a collection of rejects. We can't even complete a forward pass in 8 tries. Have the commissioner pick our GM again, because it's obvious the Mara family's clueless trait is rearing its ugly head again.

 

[mdk01]

Burn it all down. I'm now in the boat of the GM has to go as well; he's assembled a collection of rejects. We can't even complete a forward pass in 8 tries. Have the commissioner pick our GM again, because it's obvious the Mara family's clueless trait is rearing its ugly head again.

The supposedly fixed OL is a disaster. Losing Thomas hurts, but 1 player doesn't account for this.

 

[Purple-Ed]

Burn it all down. I'm now in the boat of the GM has to go as well; he's assembled a collection of rejects. We can't even complete a forward pass in 8 tries. Have the commissioner pick our GM again, because it's obvious the Mara family's clueless trait is rearing its ugly head again.

The commissioner never picked the Giants GM.

 

[Section124]

Time for Bill B to be coach and GM? Even he may be better than the current clown GM and HC.

 

[nutfromSEC117]

Lau

 

[ClassOf02]

Always finding new ways to lose.

Good news is Jacksonville won today so we move up in the draft order.

 

[nutfromSEC117]

Raiders Black Friday game ending fumble is looming large

 

[ashokan]

Saquon now with 1623 yds in 13 games and 4 to go (with NYGs last game)
2,105 is single season rush record (Dickerson)
482 yds needed for record - 121 a game - thats a lot of yds still but he might get 200 vs NYGs with Dexter out.
Saquon had 435 for first 4 games

I kinda understood rolling the dice on Jones but giving up Saquon seemed like a personal issue for GM

 

[Postman_1]

Barkley would have nowhere near that yardage had he stayed with the Giants. Unfortunately for Giants fans philthadelphia is a near perfect fit for him.

 

[RUPete]

The commissioner never picked the Giants GM.

He’s going back to George Young and it worked well.

 

[ashokan]

Barkley would have nowhere near that yardage had he stayed with the Giants. Unfortunately for Giants fans philthadelphia is a near perfect fit for him.

True - and I''m happy for him for the little that's worth.
But he was still the face of the NYGs and fav of the owner - who didn't want to lose him.
How many GMs would tell an owner his fav player is going to a rival after Jones is kept?
Saquon wouldn't have the yards with NYGs but the talent was still there.
Talent was never an issue with SB - it was the injury prone trend - a trend Jones also had
Just a bad deal from GM - I wont miss him

 

[Plum Street]

True - and I''m happy for him for the little that's worth.
But he was still the face of the NYGs and fav of the owner - who didn't want to lose him.
How many GMs would tell an owner his fav player is going to a rival after Jones is kept?
Saquon wouldn't have the yards with NYGs but the talent was still there.
Talent was never an issue with SB - it was the injury prone trend - a trend Jones also had
Just a bad deal from GM - I wont miss him

I believe this ultimately will be why schoen is canned

 

[ashokan]

NYG tickets for $1

Giants ticket prices fall to $1 as fans show no interest in going

The Giants play has certainly plummeted this season and some fans may still argue that their ticket sales are still overpriced.

nypost.com

 

[NickRU714]

The Ringer dropped their first mock draft.

Cam Ward at #3

https://www.theringer.com/2024/12/0...4QIffuz4pkbrrxGbUg_aem_ki3lHhWU1HuSdw6QfXQD0A

 

[ashokan]

"Ward brings plenty of experience and a dual-threat skill set to New York."

Dual threats vanish in playoffs vs good defenses.
Lamar Jackson 2x MVP
Flutie, Kaepernick, Kordell, Cunningham, Newton, Vick and others are great Sept-Dec and then the balloon pops

 

[Postman_1]

The Ringer dropped their first mock draft.

Cam Ward at #3

https://www.theringer.com/2024/12/0...4QIffuz4pkbrrxGbUg_aem_ki3lHhWU1HuSdw6QfXQD0A

I don't think any of these QB's are worth top 10 picks tbh. None of them are rated that high. I do like Ward more then Sanders though. I don't want Sanders at all and would be pissed with that pick. I'm hoping they sign a bridge QB for next year and not force the pick. So many hole with this team

 

[RUPete]

"Ward brings plenty of experience and a dual-threat skill set to New York."

Dual threats vanish in playoffs vs good defenses.
Lamar Jackson 2x MVP
Flutie, Kaepernick, Kordell, Cunningham, Newton, Vick and others are great Sept-Dec and then the balloon pops

Cunningham got better when he was older and more experienced with the Vikings - I think he actually learned how to read some defenses at that point. That said, he was incredible to watch earlier in his career too, but as you said, Joe Gibbs would throw Wilbur Marshall at him as a spy and the bubble would pop.

 

[RUPete]

I don't think any of these QB's are worth top 10 picks tbh. None of them are rated that high. I do like Ward more then Sanders though. I don't want Sanders at all and would be pissed with that pick. I'm hoping they sign a bridge QB for next year and not force the pick. So many hole with this team

Good lengthy article in Sunday's Ledger about the QB prospects and their pluses/minuses. Basically, the scouts/execs interviewed had your take - less than enthusiastic about any of them.

 

[T2Kplus20]

The Ringer dropped their first mock draft.

Cam Ward at #3

https://www.theringer.com/2024/12/0...4QIffuz4pkbrrxGbUg_aem_ki3lHhWU1HuSdw6QfXQD0A

My Raiders are battling the Giants for the #1 pick. Sanders or Ward would be fine.

 

[ashokan]

Cunningham got better when he was older and more experienced with the Vikings - I think he actually learned how to read some defenses at that point. That said, he was incredible to watch earlier in his career too, but as you said, Joe Gibbs would throw Wilbur Marshall at him as a spy and the bubble would pop.

Cunningham was amazing - legs and arm like Gumby - he was a Giant killer.
But the do-it-all dual threat QBs are easier to control with the top defenses.
Even top RBs tend to get stuffed in Super Bowl
Even Rice only had 59 yards on 20 carries for Ravens against 49ers.
Payton had 61 yds on 22 carries.
Pacheco is one of the few RBs who had a good SB

 

[Purple-Ed]

He’s going back to George Young and it worked well.

He’s going back to George Young and it worked well.

Being a Giants fan for over 65 years I knew where he was going.
Once again Pete Roselle never selected or forced the Giants to hire George Young.
What Roselle did was give Wellington Mara and Tim Mara a list of 5 candidates who
they might opt for. After a battle between the 2 they selected , thankfully, George Young.

 

[RU-05]

"Ward brings plenty of experience and a dual-threat skill set to New York."

Dual threats vanish in playoffs vs good defenses.
Lamar Jackson 2x MVP
Flutie, Kaepernick, Kordell, Cunningham, Newton, Vick and others are great Sept-Dec and then the balloon pops

Guess it depends on how you define "dual threat" but Mahomes is absolutely a mobile QB. Just about every QB in the league is these days.

 

[RU-05]

Barkley would have nowhere near that yardage had he stayed with the Giants. Unfortunately for Giants fans philthadelphia is a near perfect fit for him.

And the Giants would still suck with Barkley. Maybe a little less then they currently do, but Barkley does not make the Giants a good team.

 

[NickRU714]

"Ward brings plenty of experience and a dual-threat skill set to New York."

Dual threats vanish in playoffs vs good defenses.
Lamar Jackson 2x MVP
Flutie, Kaepernick, Kordell, Cunningham, Newton, Vick and others are great Sept-Dec and then the balloon pops

After 6 years of Daniel Jones, I'm willing to settle for a dual threat QB who may only be great in the regular season.
Sacrifice we'll just have to live with.

Lamar is 2x MVP
Keepernick made a Super Bowl
Kordell Stewart wasn't an actual "dual threat" (he was mediocre at both).
Cunningham was a 4x Pro Bowler
Cam Newton literally won a Super Bowl
Michael Vick made the playoffs in 2 of his first 4 years in the league.

I'll throw in Josh Allen for a "dual threat who fails in the playoffs".
And Jalen Hurts who is in his way to his 4th straight playoffs since becoming a starter.

Want to pass on Cam Ward then make a case.
Using "dual threats are only good in the regular season" as a basis seems a little lacking.

 

[RUPete]

After 6 years of Daniel Jones, I'm willing to settle for a dual threat QB who may only be great in the regular season.
Sacrifice we'll just have to live with.

Lamar is 2x MVP
Keepernick made a Super Bowl
Kordell Stewart wasn't an actual "dual threat" (he was mediocre at both).
Cunningham was a 4x Pro Bowler
Cam Newton literally won a Super Bowl
Michael Vick made the playoffs in 2 of his first 4 years in the league.

I'll throw in Josh Allen for a "dual threat who fails in the playoffs".
And Jalen Hurts who is in his way to his 4th straight playoffs since becoming a starter.

Want to pass on Cam Ward then make a case.
Using "dual threats are only good in the regular season" as a basis seems a little lacking.

Well, then you have to make a case of surrounding them with a better roster.

 

[Kbee3]

Barkley would have nowhere near that yardage had he stayed with the Giants. Unfortunately for Giants fans philthadelphia is a near perfect fit for him.

Yeah...they can block.

 

[ashokan]

"Our FPI predictions had the New England Patriots at No. 1 overall after Week 13, but there has been a shift at the top of the board. The New York Giants now project to have the top pick. "

Projected 2025 NFL draft order: Patriots lead the race for the No. 1 overall pick

ESPN's Football Power Index projects the 2025 NFL draft order for Round 1. Which teams have the best odds to pick early?

www.espn.com

 

[ashokan]

Former RU coach Darren Rizzi going viral for his vein popping Kelly imitation in game vs Giants

Alvin Kamara Separated Heated Darren Rizzi From Saints Punter After Near Disaster

Alvin Kamara separated his heated head coach Darren Rizzi from rookie punter Matthew Hayball.

www.si.com

 

[koleszar]

Being a Giants fan for over 65 years I knew where he was going.
Once again Pete Roselle never selected or forced the Giants to hire George Young.
What Roselle did was give Wellington Mara and Tim Mara a list of 5 candidates who
they might opt for. After a battle between the 2 they selected , thankfully, George Young.

My post would have lost its witty edge if I explained it all out. I directed that one at us old timer Giants fans, which there are quite a few of us here.