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OT: Any NJ Town (w/ NYC commute) Recommendations

I live in Fair Lawn now, have had 2 kids go through the school system, 2 more in. Less than impressed with the school system if your kid is in the middle 80%; if your kid tracks into AP, or is in the special ed part of the spectrum, school system is phenomenal. Look into more than ratings as they will only tell you part of the story.

The Fair Lawn schools have a very good reputation; 20 years ago it was a great reputation. I was disappointed to be honest.

So who is it not so great for, the bottom 20%?
 
So who is it not so great for, the bottom 20%?

No, the middle 80. Seems like the reputation was earned on the breadth of AP classes offered and that is protected at all costs.

Special Ed here is very good, my youngest is a beneficiary and doens't have to go out of district for a program that really is perfect for him.

For 2 of my children who were straight CP students, I think there's room for improvement - I don't know how well prepared they are for college level work (and I'm not the only Fair Lawn resident who feels that way). You really have to know what to look for, as I think SAT scores, etc. don't always tell the full story.
 
No, the middle 80. Seems like the reputation was earned on the breadth of AP classes offered and that is protected at all costs.

Special Ed here is very good, my youngest is a beneficiary and doens't have to go out of district for a program that really is perfect for him.

For 2 of my children who were straight CP students, I think there's room for improvement - I don't know how well prepared they are for college level work (and I'm not the only Fair Lawn resident who feels that way). You really have to know what to look for, as I think SAT scores, etc. don't always tell the full story.[/QUOTE]


I would be interested on your take if you have ideas on what to look for.
 
No, the middle 80. Seems like the reputation was earned on the breadth of AP classes offered and that is protected at all costs.

Special Ed here is very good, my youngest is a beneficiary and doens't have to go out of district for a program that really is perfect for him.

For 2 of my children who were straight CP students, I think there's room for improvement - I don't know how well prepared they are for college level work (and I'm not the only Fair Lawn resident who feels that way). You really have to know what to look for, as I think SAT scores, etc. don't always tell the full story.

I misread your post. May be the same story in a lot of public schools. We are in Rumson, and we pulled our oldest son to go to a private school when they did not have a viable math option for him going into 6th grade. The suggestion was he would take a class by himself. He is now in Biotech High School in Freehold, and we were very happy with what he got out of the private school for math and science. Negated our entire decision to move to Rumson, however, but the area is still nice with great parks, the beach, and fishing options.
 
I would be interested on your take if you have ideas on what to look for.

A few things:

How well do kids do in college? How much drop off there is in the first year of college from the district?
How are their placements (i.e. how many repeated courses do they have to take)?
Willingness of the district to work with you individually (if your child is between various tracks,etc.) -- you'd have to talk to residents to find out about this.
Opinions of the high school guidance department.
 
I misread your post. May be the same story in a lot of public schools. We are in Rumson, and we pulled our oldest son to go to a private school when they did not have a viable math option for him going into 6th grade. The suggestion was he would take a class by himself. He is now in Biotech High School in Freehold, and we were very happy with what he got out of the private school for math and science. Negated our entire decision to move to Rumson, however, but the area is still nice with great parks, the beach, and fishing options.

Knight Shift - where does one go to watch an RU football game on the Penninsula?
 
This is awesome! You all rock. This is exactly the feedback I was hoping for. We likely wouldn't move for at least a year or two but want to start getting a sense for what's out there. I realize what I'm looking for is potentially impossible to find, but that's why I'm doing my research now so I can understand the options and figure out how they stack up, so I really appreciate all the honest responses!

The 45 minute mark is more of a goal for the main train/bus/(boat?) time. Travel time on either end of that is always going to be a moving target based on the specific homes we like and our current/future potential office locations so I can't really control for those now.

The towns I've heard the most about from this group and others are listed below with some stats to boot:

Town - main commute time - NJ Monthly avg School Rank ('12-'14) - comments
  • Maplewood - 38m - 71 - (what's up with the schools going downhill, dropped from 47th to 96th?)
  • Montclair - 50m - 110 - pricey?
  • Cranford - 55m (bus) - 50 - people always sound positive about it but I know nothing of it
  • Ridgewood - 52m - 28 - maybe the best town in NNJ!?
  • Glen Ridge - 41m - 20 - could be less pricey and closer to NYC than Ridgewood & Montclair
  • Glen Rock - 41m - 6 - Who is the better Glen?
  • Millburn - 40m - 6 - pricey but very nice
  • Westfield - 53m - 35 - great downtown but risky commute on the Raritan line
  • Madison - 54m - 19 - great town, farther than Summit
  • Chatham - 49m -10 - great town, snuggled between Madison and Summit
  • Summit - 41m - 26 - great town, closer than Madison
  • Rumson - 90m - 10 - it's near the beach and you take a boat to work! but the commute is expensive and arduous
  • Red Bank - 90m - 64 - see Rumson
*fun fact - my own Alma Mater, Mainland Regional in Linwood, NJ, is actually ranked one spot above Maplewood's Columbia HS in the latest NJ monthly rankings in 2014. Here's hoping both schools find their groove again in the 2016 rankings. I could see them both becoming four star schools if they really "show out" to some top Colleges over Spring Signing Season.
Maplewood is borderline the hood. The best bang for your buck go to Roseland. Top 25 schools and phenomenal taxes. You'll have to take bus to NYC or drive to Montclair for train or Harrison for path but that's your best bang for buck and it's not even close. The aforementioned towns if you want a decent home you're looking in the $800k range with insane taxes.
 
Long story short from reading this thread - everyone who makes a suggestion thinks where they live is the best place to live. The truth is very different, though,
I agree with this. Hell, I live in Lambertville. My advice is change jobs, leave the city & move to Hunterdon County!
 
Maplewood is borderline the hood. The best bang for your buck go to Roseland. Top 25 schools and phenomenal taxes. You'll have to take bus to NYC or drive to Montclair for train or Harrison for path but that's your best bang for buck and it's not even close. The aforementioned towns if you want a decent home you're looking in the $800k range with insane taxes.

Borderline the hood? LMFAO. Yes, if you want to make sure you never see a black person, Roseland, Essex Fells, and North Caldwell are all excellent options.

Go Wessex Knights! (Class of 98)
 
Knight Shift - where does one go to watch an RU football game on the Penninsula?

Val's Tavern in Rumson is Rutgers Friendly. They make a very good thin crust pizza. We are big fans of the buffalo chicken and lobster pizzas. Other than that, it is slim pickings on the Peninsula, and if you hear if there is a decent place in Red Bank to watch a game, please let me know. There are other locations in Monmouth County near us, namely the Applebee's on Hope Road/Route 36 in Tinton Falls, and then a lot of places further away. Maybe we could do an away game watch party later int he season. There are quite a few folks on the peninsula--Dpgru, you, me, I think Big Frank. [cheers]
 
Long story short from reading this thread - everyone who makes a suggestion thinks where they live is the best place to live. The truth is very different, though,

Did anyone even mention how difficult it is to have both parents working in the city with a youngster in the suburbs? While it can be done, it's very difficult to do so unless one of you has a lot of flexibility for working remotely and working off or staggered hours.

Day care closes at 6. that means you're leaving your job at 4:30 for day care pickups or you have in-home babysitting.
 
Borderline the hood? LMFAO. Yes, if you want to make sure you never see a black person, Roseland, Essex Fells, and North Caldwell are all excellent options.

Go Wessex Knights! (Class of 98)
Class of 09'! Haha. But seriously Columbia is not a great high school
 
Did anyone even mention how difficult it is to have both parents working in the city with a youngster in the suburbs? While it can be done, it's very difficult to do so unless one of you has a lot of flexibility for working remotely and working off or staggered hours.

Day care closes at 6. that means you're leaving your job at 4:30 for day care pickups or you have in-home babysitting.
I was having the same feeling. The great grandma and grandma will be involved but I'm afraid I will have to pick up the kid quite a few times from daycare since they would seldom get home before 6:00.

I think the father is trying to find a job in NJ.
 
What Ridge means about the school system in Maplewood is that ...Oh well you can figure it out.. Metuchen is a little outside of the 45 minute criteria but it is all you desire. And the school system would please Mr Ridge.

No need to passively aggressively attack me. I grew up in Maplewood and know the town very well. My mother still lives there. The school systems in Maplewood have gone downhill and that is a quantifiable fact. Just check the trends of the rankings over the past 20 years. You may disagree with how the rankings are done or argue they don't matter, but colleges do care and it does matter when you go to sell your house.
 
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I agree with this. Hell, I live in Lambertville. My advice is change jobs, leave the city & move to Hunterdon County!

Yep. I live across the country and half thought to suggest moving away from the overcrowded overpricing and horrible commutes of NJ to a city/suburb where you can get great schools, a breezy commute, super-affordable cost of living and a higher standard of living in virtually every way possible. But I figured that doesn't help the OP so much, so I held my tongue (well, save for this sidebar).
 
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Long story short from reading this thread - everyone who makes a suggestion thinks where they live is the best place to live. The truth is very different, though,
Not so. I live in Hackensack, but cannot possibly recommend Ridgewood highly enough. Great schools great downtown, houses hold their value, train station and hospital right there, etc. (Yes it's pricey, and no it is not commutable door-to-door in 45 minutes. Not without a helicopter, or unless you work at the foot of the GW Bridge by the hospital, or next to Penn Station).
I'd also recommend Montclair (great downtown, hospital, train stops every few feet, but vicious taxes).
And, yes, Red Bank is great and Rumson wonderful for families. But beware of that commute. It will be long, and costly.
 
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Did anyone even mention how difficult it is to have both parents working in the city with a youngster in the suburbs? While it can be done, it's very difficult to do so unless one of you has a lot of flexibility for working remotely and working off or staggered hours.

Day care closes at 6. that means you're leaving your job at 4:30 for day care pickups or you have in-home babysitting.

This. I lived through the daycare years and while my wife worked in the City, I worked in NJ about a 30 minute commute. Which one was picking up the kids was something that needed to be planned each week. We were lucky on a couple of fronts - grandma was able to pick the kids up when we had an issue, and second, both of our jobs gave us the flexibility for working at home when needed.
 
Do you think it's fair that kids of color get into Ivy League schools with significantly lesser academic credentials than some white kids?

And on a somewhat unrelated note, my wife and I just got back from my oldest daughter's graduation - MS in Occupational Therapy from Sacred Heart.

They graduated all the grad programs today. The "S & T" portions of Sacred Heart's STEM programs were all Indian and Arab - and all from overseas. White kids, black kids, Asian kids in total accounted for maybe 10% of all those programs.
I'm sure they are all Catholic, too! Nice job, Sacred Heart.
 
Val's Tavern in Rumson is Rutgers Friendly. They make a very good thin crust pizza. We are big fans of the buffalo chicken and lobster pizzas. Other than that, it is slim pickings on the Peninsula, and if you hear if there is a decent place in Red Bank to watch a game, please let me know. There are other locations in Monmouth County near us, namely the Applebee's on Hope Road/Route 36 in Tinton Falls, and then a lot of places further away. Maybe we could do an away game watch party later int he season. There are quite a few folks on the peninsula--Dpgru, you, me, I think Big Frank. [cheers]

LMAO - the "Peninsula" - it's been years since I heard the area I grew up in referred to as the "Peninsula".

Agree on Vals - they do make a good thin crust. Unfortunately, I haven't ordered one in years.

In Red Bank - Tommy's Coal Fired in the Galleria is Rutgers friendly.
 
Class of 09'! Haha. But seriously Columbia is not a great high school

It is isn't comparable to Millburn or West Essex in terms of rankins, but in an absolute sense it's an excellent school. It also has the advantage of being one of the few good high schools in the state that is not segregated.
No need to passively aggressively attack me. I grew up in Maplewood and know the town very well. My mother still lives there. The school systems in Maplewood have gone downhill and that is a quantifiable fact. Just check the trends of the rankings over the past 20 years. You may disagree with how the rankings are done or argue they don't matter, but colleges do care and it does matter when you go to sell your house.

Maplewood is probably the single hottest town for young families in North Jersey. Towns like North Caldwell and Franklin Lakes, with their McMansions and cul de sacs and lack of sidewalks, are the past. Maplewood is the future.
 
Upper montclair on the bus would get you there quicker than 45 mins. walk to the bus which stops all along grove street and you are on route 3 and express to new York. I take a bus home that goes through montclair and it gets to the border of Montclair in just under 30 mins. It'll take a bit longer into new yoek bc of tunnel traffic but it ticks the boxes. Property taxes are unbelievably high though.
 
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