OT: Applications for Rutgers NB have increased almost 40% for Fall 2024

[Eagleton96]

This year could represent a seismic shift for RU. My daughter knows several kids who expected to get into RU who were rejected or waitlisted yesterday. Go to any HS parental seminar the past few years (as I already went through this with an older child) and a consistent theme is every kid should be applying to RU because it’s a great option, i.e., “safety”. If these numbers hold going into next year, which they should, RU will shift from a safety to a “target” for better students and a “reach” for others.

It would be great if RU could build its profile to the point that it could have the type of policies/laws in place like NC or Michigan that mandate a certain percentage must come from in this state. These policies protect the in-state kids and drive up the desirability of out of state kids.

It seems there is some reason to think that RU has some momentum. Still a long way to go before we get to the point where we need caps to protect the in-state students though. The bigger priority for RU right now is to attract a higher percent of out of state kids, in line with what other major State Universities have, to balance the budget. They would admit more kids, and then raise the out of state tuition (RU's out of state is way lower than average compared to peers). It's not the only reason, but lack of out of state student interest is has been one of RUs structural funding problems.

 

[Rutgers Chris]

Interesting anecdote. I live in western PA. I have my 7 year old in baseball lessons and I was talking to the guys who just finished college who are performing the instruction. I told them I went to Rutgers and they were like oh man you were lucky. I’d love to have gone there. Def felt good hearing that. Also carries a lot of weight at my company which is a Texas based company.

What I find funny are trendy schools. Clemson is one of those from friends and family who have had people apply there. I never even heard of Clemson when I was in HS in the 90s.

Both of my kids (13 and 10) would tell you Clemson, Georgia and Alabama are among their top choices. Clearly football has a way of attracting that. I saw more Alabama mom/dad bumper stickers in NJ the last few years than ever.

 

[rutgersdave]

Both of my kids (13 and 10) would tell you Clemson, Georgia and Alabama are among their top choices. Clearly football has a way of attracting that. I saw more Alabama mom/dad bumper stickers in NJ the last few years than ever.

I kiddingly told one of my nephews, 20-25 years ago, that wanted to go out of state to go to Penn State so we can have a football school to root for. The majority of kids have no real good reason to go to the schools that they decide on.

 

[bitnez]

Both of my kids (13 and 10) would tell you Clemson, Georgia and Alabama are among their top choices. Clearly football has a way of attracting that. I saw more Alabama mom/dad bumper stickers in NJ the last few years than ever.

In fairness to Georgia, it’s in a different academic league than Bama and Clemson. Clemson is now like Delaware was when I went to college forever ago. It’s not hard to get into but it seems to have some juice with high school kids. I’ll put aside the moms and dads talking about how great the football games are. Ha.

 

[vkj91]

I kiddingly told one of my nephews, 20-25 years ago, that wanted to go out of state to go to Penn State so we can have a football school to root for. The majority of kids have no real good reason to go to the schools that they decide on.

You say a lot of dumb stuff. This is up there. Who are you to decide what a good reason is for kids to decide on their school. Rutgers is a fine school. It also has crappy weather. It’s a disaster to get around. There is little school spirit and a majority of alumni do nothing but complain about it. Oh, and few give back but I’m sure you could give 25 reasons why you think it’s. A better choice than school x y or z.

 

[vkj91]

In fairness to Georgia, it’s in a different academic league than Bama and Clemson. Clemson is now like Delaware was when I went to college forever ago. It’s not hard to get into but it seems to have some juice with high school kids. I’ll put aside the moms and dads talking about how great the football games are. Ha.

Prep scholar
Average acceptance rate
Delaware 79%
Rutgers 66%
Clemson 49%

Maybe you need to realize things are different than when you went to school. A lot has changed in academia. Just like people here have argued Northeastern isn’t hard to get in to lately.

 

[NotInRHouse]

You say a lot of dumb stuff. This is up there. Who are you to decide what a good reason is for kids to decide on their school. Rutgers is a fine school. It also has crappy weather. It’s a disaster to get around. There is little school spirit and a majority of alumni do nothing but complain about it. Oh, and few give back but I’m sure you could give 25 reasons why you think it’s. A better choice than school x y or z.

Pretty unfounded. If an 18 year old can't navigate a bus, how is a 22 year old Clemson alum going to navigate the subway or NJT when he rushes back to NY/NJ for employment?

In terms of weather, New Brunswick is practically Bali versus State College. It went close to 2 years without much more than a trace of snow. And not everyone likes warm weather.

RU has much more school spirit than a lot of other places. Is it Nebraska? No. And sure as hell isn't a place where you'd get the gloss over you get at the Cult and other places. That is a draw for many.

A majority of alumni where? This board? Who cares about donations? Here's what is going to happen. Shop Rite line kid that goes to University of Tampa or Clemson is going to run back to NJ at graduation and have no idea how to adult. The RU grad will have better job propects, more real life experience, and most of his friends a stone's throw away. And less debt and.higher salary. Ah I forget it's a Shop Rite kid- well mom and dad will have less money, and room for him in the house while the RU kid is in Hoboken or Manhattan, surrounded by his fellow alums and a quick ride home for games.

Let's be real unless it's Harvard or Carnegie Mellon or something of that ilk- and let's be clear it so rarely is- then RU is the better choice.

 

[NotInRHouse]

Prep scholar
Average acceptance rate
Delaware 79%
Rutgers 66%
Clemson 49%

Maybe you need to realize things are different than when you went to school. A lot has changed in academia. Just like people here have argued Northeastern isn’t hard to get in to lately.

USNWR rankings

Rutgers 40
UDel 76
Clemson 86

Maybe you need to realize that outside of Clemson alumni, absolutely zero people are impressed with a Clemson degree.

It seems quite unlikely that someone going to Clemson got into RU. Maybe for NJ kids it comes down to Rowan and Clemson? That I'd believe.

 

[rutgersdave]

You say a lot of dumb stuff. This is up there. Who are you to decide what a good reason is for kids to decide on their school. Rutgers is a fine school. It also has crappy weather. It’s a disaster to get around. There is little school spirit and a majority of alumni do nothing but complain about it. Oh, and few give back but I’m sure you could give 25 reasons why you think it’s. A better choice than school x y or z.

I don’t care about school spirit or donations. I don’t think most alumni complain only the people on this board which really isn’t a good reflection of the school. I care about getting a great job when you graduate at a reasonable cost. Everyone in my family got a great job going to Rutgers without any debt.

Plenty of kids want to go to school with warm weather or a good football team or a party school. Great but maybe not so great when they graduate.

 

[fsg2]

Pretty unfounded. If an 18 year old can't navigate a bus, how is a 22 year old Clemson alum going to navigate the subway or NJT when he rushes back to NY/NJ for employment?

In terms of weather, New Brunswick is practically Bali versus State College. It went close to 2 years without much more than a trace of snow. And not everyone likes warm weather.

RU has much more school spirit than a lot of other places. Is it Nebraska? No. And sure as hell isn't a place where you'd get the gloss over you get at the Cult and other places. That is a draw for many.

A majority of alumni where? This board? Who cares about donations? Here's what is going to happen. Shop Rite line kid that goes to University of Tampa or Clemson is going to run back to NJ at graduation and have no idea how to adult. The RU grad will have better job propects, more real life experience, and most of his friends a stone's throw away. And less debt and.higher salary. Ah I forget it's a Shop Rite kid- well mom and dad will have less money, and room for him in the house while the RU kid is in Hoboken or Manhattan, surrounded by his fellow alums and a quick ride home for games.

Let's be real unless it's Harvard or Carnegie Mellon or something of that ilk- and let's be clear it so rarely is- then RU is the better choice.

Yeah, the "bad weather" comments continue to be a headscratcher.

 

[NotInRHouse]

I don’t care about school spirit or donations. I don’t think most alumni complain only the people on this board which really isn’t a good reflection of the school. I care about getting a great job when you graduate at a reasonable cost. Everyone in my family got a great job going to Rutgers without and debt.

If this board is a representation of RU I guess the school is 99% male.

But hey we're no Clemson, and their gaudy 86 national ranking?

RU is tied with Tufts and U Washington.

Clemson is tied with NJIT and ranked behind RU-Newark (82).

But in the hearts and minds of the Shop Rite line, Clemson is up there with the Cult and Villanova, where Chad can join the same fraternity as everyone he went to high school with before coming back to NJ to work for Dad. He may never know how to ride public transportation, earn anything on his own, or deal with people different from him, but what are those in the scheme of things? He'll have gone to a school where people donate and sometimes see on CBS in the fall.

Oh and most importantly he'll have spent 4...let's be real, 5 or 6, years, in a climate 10-15 degrees hotter. Which is something notable.

 

[bitnez]

USNWR rankings

Rutgers 40
UDel 76
Clemson 86

Maybe you need to realize that outside of Clemson alumni, absolutely zero people are impressed with a Clemson degree.

It seems quite unlikely that someone going to Clemson got into RU. Maybe for NJ kids it comes down to Rowan and Clemson? That I'd believe.

Good points.

Here’s my take - people should just be honest about this stuff. Jus my say I love the southern climate, it’s pretty, they win football games, my parents will pay the extra money, etc. I have no issue with any of that stuff. Everyone should do whatever they want. Where I get a bit tripped up is people (mainly moms and dads) trying to sell me on the academic profile of schools that I know fall far short of RU and many other great options.

 

[NotInRHouse]

Yeah, the "bad weather" comments continue to be a headscratcher.

Who knew NJ college kids and the denizens of Del Boca Vista Phase 3 had so much in common?

I never hear of any young people skiing or snowboarding. They all want to move to South Carolina and eat dinner at 5pm. Never see any young people in Killington, Park City or Whistler. But if you go to Hilton Head it's the East Village of the South, many people are saying.

 

[NotInRHouse]

Good points.

Here’s my take - people should just be honest about this stuff. Jus my say I love the southern climate, it’s pretty, they win football games, my parents will pay the extra money, etc. I have no issue with any of that stuff. Everyone should do whatever they want. Where I get a bit tripped up is people (mainly moms and dads) trying to sell me on the academic profile of schools that I know fall far short of RU and many other great options.

There is a weird narrative in some corners of NJ that going OOS confers instant prestige. It is absolutely bizarre. I don't get why the proponents just say so, as you say. Do they think the people choosing the much higher ranked, much more prestigious and much cheaper RU don't have internet connection?

The funny thing is in reality, RU is ranked a top party school, the football games are fun, we beat Clemson 2x in bball and football would have been a game this year, we have coed dorms....before you get the academics and being close to real jobs when you graduate...but we need to accept the deranged hearsay of non alums that 18 year olds need warm weather.

 

[Morrischiano]

I think the top 40 rating by USN&WR is the biggest driver for the surge of interest.

Several other factors will help:
- a sustained top 40 ranking next year
-a great basket season next year
-a sustained tuition rate

Anecdotally, my son who is a junior at delbarton, would say that other kids would sh!t on RU in years past. This year guys are saying “RU is on the come up”. Some of his buddies are going to apply to RU as their safety school:

 

[vkj91]

Pretty unfounded. If an 18 year old can't navigate a bus, how is a 22 year old Clemson alum going to navigate the subway or NJT when he rushes back to NY/NJ for employment?

In terms of weather, New Brunswick is practically Bali versus State College. It went close to 2 years without much more than a trace of snow. And not everyone likes warm weather.

RU has much more school spirit than a lot of other places. Is it Nebraska? No. And sure as hell isn't a place where you'd get the gloss over you get at the Cult and other places. That is a draw for many.

A majority of alumni where? This board? Who cares about donations? Here's what is going to happen. Shop Rite line kid that goes to University of Tampa or Clemson is going to run back to NJ at graduation and have no idea how to adult. The RU grad will have better job propects, more real life experience, and most of his friends a stone's throw away. And less debt and.higher salary. Ah I forget it's a Shop Rite kid- well mom and dad will have less money, and room for him in the house while the RU kid is in Hoboken or Manhattan, surrounded by his fellow alums and a quick ride home for games.

Let's be real unless it's Harvard or Carnegie Mellon or something of that ilk- and let's be clear it so rarely is- then RU is the better choice.

Dumb and judgmental as always I see.
You went to Rutgers. You love Rutgers. That’s great. Sorry but having to take buses to classes doesn’t prepare you for life. And you should care about money as an alum. For the number of grads RU endowment is pathetic and it matters.

 

[Eagleton96]

If this board is a representation of RU I guess the school is 99% male.

But hey we're no Clemson, and their gaudy 86 national ranking?

RU is tied with Tufts and U Washington.

Clemson is tied with NJIT and ranked behind RU-Newark (82).

But in the hearts and minds of the Shop Rite line, Clemson is up there with the Cult and Villanova, where Chad can join the same fraternity as everyone he went to high school with before coming back to NJ to work for Dad. He may never know how to ride public transportation, earn anything on his own, or deal with people different from him, but what are those in the scheme of things? He'll have gone to a school where people donate and sometimes see on CBS in the fall.

Oh and most importantly he'll have spent 4...let's be real, 5 or 6, years, in a climate 10-15 degrees hotter. Which is something notable.

I'm all for public transit. It's a great economic strength of NJ. But I don't see any way to spin having to navigate the bus system to go to class as a positive. Similarly, if there is a high crime rate, that might make students tough and savvy, but that's hardly a selling point.

 

[vkj91]

USNWR rankings

Rutgers 40
UDel 76
Clemson 86

Maybe you need to realize that outside of Clemson alumni, absolutely zero people are impressed with a Clemson degree.

It seems quite unlikely that someone going to Clemson got into RU. Maybe for NJ kids it comes down to Rowan and Clemson? That I'd believe.

I posted the acceptance rate because reordered in this thread people have referred to acceptance rate as a metric is how good a school was. Again, you are very far removed from this process. I just went through it twice. My daughters friend groups ranged from super Rich to average NJ family just working to get by. I’d say 90% of them applied to RU. Don’t know one that didn’t get in. None went.

 

[Eagleton96]

I think the top 40 rating by USN&WR is the biggest driver for the surge of interest.

Several other factors will help:
- a sustained top 40 ranking next year
-a great basket season next year
-a sustained tuition rate

Anecdotally, my son who is a junior at delbarton, would say that other kids would sh!t on RU in years past. This year guys are saying “RU is on the come up”. Some of his buddies are going to apply to RU as their safety school:

Very interesting.

 

[rutgersdave]

I posted the acceptance rate because reordered in this thread people have referred to acceptance rate as a metric is how good a school was. Again, you are very far removed from this process. I just went through it twice. My daughters friend groups ranged from super Rich to average NJ family just working to get by. I’d say 90% of them applied to RU. Don’t know one that didn’t get in. None went.

Right, Rutgers is such a terrible school. They all can’t get athletics scholarships so I guess they got into Ivy League schools. That’s the stupidest post ever on this board.

Are you posting from Arizona or is it too hot for you like I told you years ago?

 

[vkj91]

If this board is a representation of RU I guess the school is 99% male.

But hey we're no Clemson, and their gaudy 86 national ranking?

RU is tied with Tufts and U Washington.

Clemson is tied with NJIT and ranked behind RU-Newark (82).

But in the hearts and minds of the Shop Rite line, Clemson is up there with the Cult and Villanova, where Chad can join the same fraternity as everyone he went to high school with before coming back to NJ to work for Dad. He may never know how to ride public transportation, earn anything on his own, or deal with people different from him, but what are those in the scheme of things? He'll have gone to a school where people donate and sometimes see on CBS in the fall.

Oh and most importantly he'll have spent 4...let's be real, 5 or 6, years, in a climate 10-15 degrees hotter. Which is something notable.

So angry all the time. It’s ok for people not to want to go to Rutgers. It’s also ok for Parents to be successful enough to slow their kids options.

 

[vkj91]

Right, Rutgers is such a terrible school. They all can’t get athletics scholarships so I guess they got into Ivy League schools. That’s the stupidest post ever on this board.

Are you posting from Arizona or is it too hot for you like I told you years ago?

Where did I say it’s a terrible school. That’s right I didn’t.

 

[vkj91]

It’s funny for years, every time the USN&WR we would have 10 page threads about how it was BS. Had. I real standing with academics. Was basically an ad for schools that played the game. Now it’s gospel. What changed?

 

[rutgersdave]

Where did I say it’s a terrible school. That’s right I didn’t.

You implied it when you said 90% got in and none went to Rutgers. I got to say that’s BS and you made it up since you don’t know where everyone went. Tell me the HS where your kids went to to see if its even possible.

You were going to move out of NJ years ago but you’re still here.

 

[vkj91]

You implied it when you said 90% got in and none went to Rutgers. I got to say that’s BS and you made it up since you don’t know where everyone went. Tell me the HS where your kids went to to see if its even possible.

You were going to move out of NJ years ago but you’re still here.

I don’t need you to believe me. Your approval doesn’t really matter to me.
And I never said I was moving out years ago. I said I’d be gone once my parents passed, my youngest was done with HS, and my business wasn’t worth running anymore. I’ll be mostly gone in 3 years at 51. Going. To Downsize to a much smaller place next year now that I’m down to 1 kid. Arizona is still in the mix but losing ground.
You still predicting the stock market will crash twice a week?

 

[rutgersdave]

I don’t need you to believe me. Your approval doesn’t really matter to me.
And I never said I was moving out years ago. I said I’d be gone once my parents passed, my youngest was done with HS, and my business wasn’t worth running anymore. I’ll be mostly gone in 3 years at 51. Going. To Downsize to a much smaller place next year now that I’m down to 1 kid. Arizona is still in the mix but losing ground.
You still predicting the stock market will crash twice a week?

Crash twice a week? Why would I be in the market then? Posted earlier today.

Tesla getting creamed...

Time for me to slowly get in. Just got some at 186. Worse case scenario 170.

Time to buy UNH hit my limit order at 485 and more at 482, only a matter of time when it hit 550 again.

Wow, my IBM doing great even though I just brought it 2 days ago.

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[jtung230]

I posted the acceptance rate because reordered in this thread people have referred to acceptance rate as a metric is how good a school was. Again, you are very far removed from this process. I just went through it twice. My daughters friend groups ranged from super Rich to average NJ family just working to get by. I’d say 90% of them applied to RU. Don’t know one that didn’t get in. None went.

To be fair, we are discussing this because this year, RU will probably have a lower acceptance rate than Clemson. Acceptance rate alone is a terrible way to see if a college is good or not. In the example of Clemson vs RU, RU student body have better SAT scores. You have to look at the big picture. I DO agree with you that there is no need to talk down other schools. The most important factor is fit. Your child has to like it to be successful.

 

[Eagleton96]

To be fair, we are discussing this because this year, RU will probably have a lower acceptance rate than Clemson. Acceptance rate alone is a terrible way to see if a college is good or not. In the example of Clemson vs RU, RU student body have better SAT scores. You have to look at the big picture. I DO agree with you that there is no need to talk down other schools. The most important factor is fit. Your child has to like it to be successful.

I think the big jump in applications, likely from the switch to the common application, just shows that these stats aren't very reliable as comparative metrics because they aren't standardized and there are a lot of other variables influencing the numbers than what people assume.

 

[ruinac]

I hope RU is more forthcoming with data about the increase. If most of the increase came from students who aren't really interested in RU but applied just because it was easy to do on the common app it's not going to lead to getting more qualified students. A lower acceptance rate might sound nice but, by itself, doesn't mean anything.

 

[jtung230]

I hope RU is more forthcoming with data about the increase. If most of the increase came from students who aren't really interested in RU but applied just because it was easy to do on the common app it's not going to lead to getting more qualified students. A lower acceptance rate might sound nice but, by itself, doesn't mean anything.

It’s a public school. You will see all the data once the process is over.

 

[Eagleton96]

I hope RU is more forthcoming with data about the increase. If most of the increase came from students who aren't really interested in RU but applied just because it was easy to do on the common app it's not going to lead to getting more qualified students. A lower acceptance rate might sound nice but, by itself, doesn't mean anything.

It will help perception. Acceptance rate seems to be very commonly used as a proxy for the quality of a school. I know my daughter does that. Most schools used the common application, and RU's numbers apparently looked worse then they should have if true apples to apples comparisons were being made. So, regardless of any actual quality at RU, or change in enrollment, switching to the common and and having our acceptance rate come into line with other schools, is a good thing.

 

[vkj91]

Crash twice a week? Why would I be in the market then? Posted earlier today.


Time for me to slowly get in. Just got some at 186. Worse case scenario 170.

Time to buy UNH hit my limit order at 485 and more at 482, only a matter of time when it hit 550 again.

Wow, my IBM doing great even though I just brought it 2 days ago.

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Yes they was your thing. It’s all gonna fall apart. I’m getting out. Then three days later you’d tell everyone how you just times some great stock. Everyone caught on and you ran away.

 

[m1ipabrams]

Yield in my house will continue to be 100 %

4 out of 4 in my house

 

[bigmatt718]

Yeah, the "bad weather" comments continue to be a headscratcher.

Jersey/Rutgers has better weather than all but the incoming West Coast schools in the B1G. Maryland is more or less the same climate.

 

[vkj91]

To be fair, we are discussing this because this year, RU will probably have a lower acceptance rate than Clemson. Acceptance rate alone is a terrible way to see if a college is good or not. In the example of Clemson vs RU, RU student body have better SAT scores. You have to look at the big picture. I DO agree with you that there is no need to talk down other schools. The most important factor is fit. Your child has to like it to be successful.

Also wrong.
RU SAT 1300
Clemson 1310

Clemson GPA also significantly higher.

But yes, fit is most important

 

[RU at the shore]

4 out of 4 in my house

Show off (only 2 of 2)

 

[jtung230]

Also wrong.
RU SAT 1300
Clemson 1310

Clemson GPA also significantly higher.

But yes, fit is most important

That’s interesting. Most places I look provide the middle 50% and it’s a range. Rutgers range is higher. What is your 1310 represent? Clemaon’s own website provides the middle 50% range. I can’t find the GPA range for both. Please do share.

 

[bitnez]

Also wrong.
RU SAT 1300
Clemson 1310

Clemson GPA also significantly higher.

But yes, fit is most important

I'm not sure SAT stats are a viable metric anymore. Now that most schools are test optional the only students submitting them tend those who score 1400+. At a school like RU, which historically has not played the rankings game, students opted to use them because it didn't really matter given the high acceptance rate. In addition, students who had weaker GPAs submitted them hoping they could drag them over the finish line.

Given the acceptance rate will drop significantly this year I expect to see a notable jump in RU's SAT scores over the next few years because students will no longer use them. I'll bookmark this for 2-3 years down the road.

 

[vkj91]

That’s interesting. Most places I look provide the middle 50% and it’s a range. Rutgers range is higher. What is your 1310 represent? Clemaon’s own website provides the middle 50% range. I can’t find the GPA range for both. Please do share.

It’s off pre scholar. That’s just an easy site to navigate different schools. Could be a bit off but even if it is, it shows the gap that people want to believe exists really doesn’t. Now, I’d imagine a school Rutgers size offers better research opportunities but even that might not be true.
Another interesting fact is Clemson has an endowment of over 1 billion with only 175000 living alumni. RU is like 1.8 with over 500000 living alumni. So the idea you graduate Clemson and can’t get a job is equally stupid.

 

[vkj91]

I'm not sure SAT stats are a viable metric anymore. Now that most schools are test optional the only students submitting them tend those who score 1400+. At a school like RU, which historically has not played the rankings game, students opted to use them because it didn't really matter given the high acceptance rate. In addition, students who had weaker GPAs submitted them hoping they could drag them over the finish line.

Given the acceptance rate will drop significantly this year I expect to see a notable jump in RU's SAT scores over the next few years because students will no longer use them. I'll bookmark this for 2-3 years down the road.

I agree about kids not submitting them. My middle kid didn’t even taking them much less sunlit them to schools. Very few schools require them now. But now we’ve been told SAT doesn’t matter. Acceptance rate doesn’t matter? What’s next? GPA doesn’t matter either. So what matters? A publication everyone here used to make fun of? Or simply peoples opinions in NJ matters?