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_Checkmate has been banging the same drum on Twitter, its almost as if they're just resigned to this happening whether its the right move or not
ETH supporters trust Vitalik and so should you two. He is likely the smartest guy in all of crypto. If you don't think he thought about this topic, you are insane. Just not a big deal.
 
ETH supporters trust Vitalik and so should you two. He is likely the smartest guy in all of crypto. If you don't think he thought about this topic, you are insane. Just not a big deal.
I don’t care one way or another. The fact that it wasn’t being discussed was the topic here. But that is starting to change, his core dev team is questioning it. Guess they are insane
 
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Posting this because they have North Jersey and NY locations. 1 SOL nft ($38) gets you discounts at Sticky Fingers Chicken Joint. You’d pay off the nft cost in 1-2 trips if you tried hard enough.

 
Since it’s been a while since I chimed in on BTC, what’s the current BTC investment thesis? Let’s keep in mind:

*Tesla cashed out in July
*El Salvador BTC holdings are down 60% and BTC use has collapsed in the country
*BTC pumpers on CNBC have disappeared
*Block, Microstrategy, etc. are taking beatings and Saylor left his CEO role now that Microstrategy has lost almost $1B on BTC
*Security/exploits/fraud still rampant across crypto world
*News-cycles on crypto suck
*Regulation unknown

To the hodlers, why buy?
 
Since it’s been a while since I chimed in on BTC, what’s the current BTC investment thesis? Let’s keep in mind:

*Tesla cashed out in July
*El Salvador BTC holdings are down 60% and BTC use has collapsed in the country
*BTC pumpers on CNBC have disappeared
*Block, Microstrategy, etc. are taking beatings and Saylor left his CEO role now that Microstrategy has lost almost $1B on BTC
*Security/exploits/fraud still rampant across crypto world
*News-cycles on crypto suck
*Regulation unknown

To the hodlers, why buy?
If you believe in crypto you’re buying it now. If you don’t, you can find a million reasons not to.

It’s use cases and the tech remain largely unchanged. We are in a bear market so you’d expect to see all of the things mentioned in your bullet points. Similar things are happening in the equity market. Michael Bury selling all of his stocks, SoftBank losing $21B, Spac’s disappearing, etc. Doesn’t mean I shouldn’t invest in stocks or that you should invest in Crypto.

One point on the security aspect- I’ve had fraudulent charges on my credit cards three times this year. They do a great job catching them, but point is-where there is money, there is fraud. It’s not limited to crypto. When dollars are stolen from a bank you don’t blame the dollar.
 
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Since it’s been a while since I chimed in on BTC, what’s the current BTC investment thesis? Let’s keep in mind:

*Tesla cashed out in July
*El Salvador BTC holdings are down 60% and BTC use has collapsed in the country
*BTC pumpers on CNBC have disappeared
*Block, Microstrategy, etc. are taking beatings and Saylor left his CEO role now that Microstrategy has lost almost $1B on BTC
*Security/exploits/fraud still rampant across crypto world
*News-cycles on crypto suck
*Regulation unknown

To the hodlers, why buy?
I think you answered your own question unless you’re a buy high sell low kind of guy.
 
A lot here to digest...
ETH rules, BTC drools:


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Nothing I've been posting on ETH in the last week has anything to do with price. It's all about long term sustainability of the project relative to the changes they're about to implement. Enjoy the #buythenews moment
ETH supporters trust Vitalik and so should you two. He is likely the smartest guy in all of crypto. If you don't think he thought about this topic, you are insane. Just not a big deal.
Lol. 1 person = corruptible. Sadly, his time will come
btc going to retest 19s
Yeah, a lot of the on chain people I follow seem to think we're going to go lower again. I think it all depends on the market, as it's still correlated unfort. If the market shits the bed further btc will follow.

I'll keep DCA'ing, which brings me to this loaded ramble of why.
Since it’s been a while since I chimed in on BTC, what’s the current BTC investment thesis? Let’s keep in mind:

*Tesla cashed out in July
*El Salvador BTC holdings are down 60% and BTC use has collapsed in the country
*BTC pumpers on CNBC have disappeared
*Block, Microstrategy, etc. are taking beatings and Saylor left his CEO role now that Microstrategy has lost almost $1B on BTC
*Security/exploits/fraud still rampant across crypto world
*News-cycles on crypto suck
*Regulation unknown

To the hodlers, why buy?
Tesla still holds 25% of its btc holdings, what... a week after announcing layoffs? Musk has been adamant that he sold to have more CoH in uncertain times.

Yes, ES is down. And I havent seen any non biased (for or against) report on usage. Everything Ive read is either rah rah or the sky is falling. Obvi both are bullshit.

Who? Novagratz? who we all know is a pos. Dude took a MAJOR haircut on Luna.

And I'm sorry, Saylor and Jack stepping away as heads of their companies to focus on btc and development is a major major positive.

Yes fraud has been rampant across crypto and in particular defi. (web3 is going just great is a fun follow for this.) But I counter, how is thie different than any other market?

Cycles are 24/7.

Regulation in some manner will come.

Now why hodl? lol. Because it's going to the mooooon.
In all seriousness, it's sound permission-less, government-less digital assets that cannot be corrupted by any one entity, government or organization. And if the last 3 years have taught us anything, I simply no longer have faith in my government to do the right thing. Whether or not is policy, fiscal policy, proxy wars, news collusion, anything. I have grave concerns about the dollar as the global reserve currency. I have grave concerns about the US as the worlds superpower. I have grave concerns about our internal political system.

btc offers hope. Could I be wrong, sure. But to me, I'd much rather be wrong now, than have to explain to my child in 10 years why we dont own a btc, when a btc is north of 1mm. So yes, I hodl and continue to buy more, within my means. I dont mess with leverage. I just simply set limit orders and see if they get filled.

Literally nothing has changed to change my resolve. If anything, Blackrock getting in furthers my belief. If (when) a spot ETF gets approved, that will be another validator. We're two years from another supply halving, it's going to aggressively take flight again.
 
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It’s use cases and the tech remain largely unchanged.
Again, not to be argumentative, but where are the use cases and tech? There simply is no adoption - period. Up until the recent crypto winter, BTC had evangelists pushing it everywhere, yet nothing happened other than driving it up to $69K with predictions of $100K+ only to have it drop off a cliff under $20K. Even Musk/Tesla basically bailed after hyping it to no end. I have a few friends that own BTC and whenever I ask them why they continue to hold it they always answer the same = “because it may go way higher at some point”. It’s like a lottery ticket to them.
 
n all seriousness, it's sound permission-less, government-less digital assets that cannot be corrupted by any one entity, government or organization. And if the last 3 years have taught us anything, I simply no longer have faith in my government to do the right thing. Whether or not is policy, fiscal policy, proxy wars, news collusion, anything. I have grave concerns about the dollar as the global reserve currency. I have grave concerns about the US as the worlds superpower. I have grave concerns about our internal political system.
You may very well be right in the end because our Gov’t and the World have serious problems, but with all due respect this sounds like someone wearing a tin foil hat living in Appalachia. 99% of the World simply doesn’t care or are too lazy or hopeless to care. BTC won’t change any of this especially if everyday people still have no idea what BTC really is or how it’s beneficial and useful to society. I challenge any hodler to perform a simple test = at the next social gathering (BBQ, party, etc.) ask each person during the course of the day/night a few questions about BTC and it’s benefits. The answers are shocking. Nobody knows or cares about it. I think regulation will help but it’s adoption that ultimately holds BTC fate.
 
I travel quite a bit and I still see places accepting btc for payment. I do think spot etf, regulation, and more companies adopting payment platforms helps but it's going lower imho
 
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You may very well be right in the end because our Gov’t and the World have serious problems, but with all due respect this sounds like someone wearing a tin foil hat living in Appalachia. 99% of the World simply doesn’t care or are too lazy or hopeless to care. BTC won’t change any of this especially if everyday people still have no idea what BTC really is or how it’s beneficial and useful to society. I challenge any hodler to perform a simple test = at the next social gathering (BBQ, party, etc.) ask each person during the course of the day/night a few questions about BTC and it’s benefits. The answers are shocking. Nobody knows or cares about it. I think regulation will help but it’s adoption that ultimately holds BTC fate.
Lol. Guess I become a mountaineer overnight. Why perform that test? It's early. Can you Doc Brown back to 1995 and ask bbq guests what an "e-mail" is? Outside of a handful of techies, who cared what an email is. Before you retort about the year, move the year +/- a year or two; it doesnt really matter. But the reality is like everything else the population doesnt see the need for something until it beats them over my head. I vividly recall my father in law who was stumped on some doo wop song and it drove him insane as he didnt know more than a few lines of the song. 90 seconds later I had an answer "googled" for him. That was the exact lightbulb moment that went off in his head and "googling" became on par with "xeroxing" or any other boomer expression.

The reality is it is one thing, a digital asset. One who's supply is programmed in. Some view that as a store of value akin to digital gold. Some view it as currency. Some as an inflation hedge. Some are starting to view it's additional layer as a tool for smart contracts or real time payments. But at the end of the day, Bitcoin just keeps on mining new blocks, day in, day out. That's what it does. It's what gets built on top of that is what the future is.

Computer program languages are in essence ones and zeros. What has been built on top of that is what has changed the world. Give the Bitcoin blockchain time, it's still early. What gets built remains to be seen.
 
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Again, not to be argumentative, but where are the use cases and tech? There simply is no adoption - period. Up until the recent crypto winter, BTC had evangelists pushing it everywhere, yet nothing happened other than driving it up to $69K with predictions of $100K+ only to have it drop off a cliff under $20K. Even Musk/Tesla basically bailed after hyping it to no end. I have a few friends that own BTC and whenever I ask them why they continue to hold it they always answer the same = “because it may go way higher at some point”. It’s like a lottery ticket to them.
I personally use Solana. As far as their tech it can process transactions as fast as visa for a fraction of the cost. Same goes for online storage. Casinos, metaverse office space, NFT’s etc etc. I know the response from some will focus on connectivity, security, etc. All true but it’s in its infancy, all issues that should be expected. Crypto adoption doesn’t need to happen all at once, but it’s surely happening.
 
What transactions do you use Solana for?
Currently just NFTs. There’s a sol swipe debit card launching this month that I considered. The fee is too high for my liking as it’s an offshore account but it’s another step in the right direction. SolanaPay has been raved about and would be an option if it continues to develop
 
Solana has opened a brick and mortar store in NYC
I’m glad you brought the store up because that’s where I get lost on how these crypto foundations work. I know Solana Foundation is a non-profit but where do they get the money to open a store in one of the most expensive retail areas in the country (Hudson Yards) and who actually makes that decision to go brick-and-mortar to sell NFTs? BTW, the store itself looked cool although sort of counterintuitive to the whole digit movement.
 
I’m glad you brought the store up because that’s where I get lost on how these crypto foundations work. I know Solana Foundation is a non-profit but where do they get the money to open a store in one of the most expensive retail areas in the country (Hudson Yards) and who actually makes that decision to go brick-and-mortar to sell NFTs? BTW, the store itself looked cool although sort of counterintuitive to the whole digit movement.
Counterintuitive but a good marketing ploy to get eyes on your product. I’m guessing the foundation holds a healthy amount of Sol so anything they do to increase the price is worth it.
 
Lol. Guess I become a mountaineer overnight. Why perform that test? It's early. Can you Doc Brown back to 1995 and ask bbq guests what an "e-mail" is? Outside of a handful of techies, who cared what an email is. Before you retort about the year, move the year +/- a year or two; it doesnt really matter. But the reality is like everything else the population doesnt see the need for something until it beats them over my head. I vividly recall my father in law who was stumped on some doo wop song and it drove him insane as he didnt know more than a few lines of the song. 90 seconds later I had an answer "googled" for him. That was the exact lightbulb moment that went off in his head and "googling" became on par with "xeroxing" or any other boomer expression.

The reality is it is one thing, a digital asset. One who's supply is programmed in. Some view that as a store of value akin to digital gold. Some view it as currency. Some as an inflation hedge. Some are starting to view it's additional layer as a tool for smart contracts or real time payments. But at the end of the day, Bitcoin just keeps on mining new blocks, day in, day out. That's what it does. It's what gets built on top of that is what the future is.

Computer program languages are in essence ones and zeros. What has been built on top of that is what has changed the world. Give the Bitcoin blockchain time, it's still early. What gets built remains to be seen.

Mountaineer here again. I was 7 in 1995 and in that time my family had just gotten it’s first home computer with Windows 95 and I had a set time for “computer class” in 2nd grade, my school had just launched its website and was 1 year away from investing heavily into a computer lab. Comparing that technological boom that changed the way every home, school, and office operated to what is at best a revamp of existing technology (data/payment systems) is just not accurate.

Crypto has its niche, there are the few offbeat real use cases, and of course the much more mainstream use of buying low and selling high. But it is hardly a game changer, the technology as you have mentioned has not changed, it is not driving any meaningful adoption 10+ years after its inception, which is a much longer time than 10 years in the pre internet era given how much quicker we are as a society to share info, learn, adapt, etc. The primary reason it is even the hot button topic it is today is because it is possibly the best ever MLM campaign ever executed which has driven a massive debate as to why it’s so valuable. But the core principles of its existence (currency, store of value, smart contracts, NFTs, payment systems) are flawed.
 
Since it’s been a while since I chimed in on BTC, what’s the current BTC investment thesis? Let’s keep in mind:

*Tesla cashed out in July
*El Salvador BTC holdings are down 60% and BTC use has collapsed in the country
*BTC pumpers on CNBC have disappeared
*Block, Microstrategy, etc. are taking beatings and Saylor left his CEO role now that Microstrategy has lost almost $1B on BTC
*Security/exploits/fraud still rampant across crypto world
*News-cycles on crypto suck
*Regulation unknown

To the hodlers, why buy?

This list would have looked a lot worse in 2018 and 2019. BTC has been cyclical. If one would have bought between 4 and 6k, easily available during those years, that'd be looking pretty decent right now. If one would have bought in 2014....

The main reason not to buy is if one truly believes that this is the maximum market penetration for crypto.
 
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You may very well be right in the end because our Gov’t and the World have serious problems, but with all due respect this sounds like someone wearing a tin foil hat living in Appalachia. 99% of the World simply doesn’t care or are too lazy or hopeless to care. BTC won’t change any of this especially if everyday people still have no idea what BTC really is or how it’s beneficial and useful to society. I challenge any hodler to perform a simple test = at the next social gathering (BBQ, party, etc.) ask each person during the course of the day/night a few questions about BTC and it’s benefits. The answers are shocking. Nobody knows or cares about it. I think regulation will help but it’s adoption that ultimately holds BTC fate.

You are thinking too much like someone in the U.S. that has a stable (even if inefficient) financial system. There are ~8 billion people now. How many of them don't have access to a stable financial system? To me, that was and is still the best use case.
 
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Mountaineer here again. I was 7 in 1995 and in that time my family had just gotten it’s first home computer with Windows 95 and I had a set time for “computer class” in 2nd grade, my school had just launched its website and was 1 year away from investing heavily into a computer lab. Comparing that technological boom that changed the way every home, school, and office operated to what is at best a revamp of existing technology (data/payment systems) is just not accurate.

Crypto has its niche, there are the few offbeat real use cases, and of course the much more mainstream use of buying low and selling high. But it is hardly a game changer, the technology as you have mentioned has not changed, it is not driving any meaningful adoption 10+ years after its inception, which is a much longer time than 10 years in the pre internet era given how much quicker we are as a society to share info, learn, adapt, etc. The primary reason it is even the hot button topic it is today is because it is possibly the best ever MLM campaign ever executed which has driven a massive debate as to why it’s so valuable. But the core principles of its existence (currency, store of value, smart contracts, NFTs, payment systems) are flawed.
So 26 years after the internet was born you (we) began to see mass adoption and changes to the way we live our lives. Looks like crypto has a few years left to build using that timeframe.
 
Mountaineer here again. I was 7 in 1995 and in that time my family had just gotten it’s first home computer with Windows 95 and I had a set time for “computer class” in 2nd grade, my school had just launched its website and was 1 year away from investing heavily into a computer lab. Comparing that technological boom that changed the way every home, school, and office operated to what is at best a revamp of existing technology (data/payment systems) is just not accurate.

Crypto has its niche, there are the few offbeat real use cases, and of course the much more mainstream use of buying low and selling high. But it is hardly a game changer, the technology as you have mentioned has not changed, it is not driving any meaningful adoption 10+ years after its inception, which is a much longer time than 10 years in the pre internet era given how much quicker we are as a society to share info, learn, adapt, etc. The primary reason it is even the hot button topic it is today is because it is possibly the best ever MLM campaign ever executed which has driven a massive debate as to why it’s so valuable. But the core principles of its existence (currency, store of value, smart contracts, NFTs, payment systems) are flawed.

I was waiting for you to chime in after my 'eer comment :)

I 1000% stand by my comments. As someone who pivoted from a Commodore64 dialing into BBS services, to dialing into Prodigy, then AOL 1.0 then using ISDN. I witnessed as people of all varying backgrounds stared perplexed by the need to do X with any of those was vital or important. Again, email in the early to mid 90's was deemed stupid by many people. Mobile phones were deemed as pointless. Smartphones were challenged. iPhone's were deemed gluttonous or not necessary. Every new tech breakthrough faces a barrier to mainstream adoption btc is no different.

Watch when small businesses are able to save thousands of dollars a month in CC processing fees by using the lightning network. Watch when I'm able to 100% bypass any exchange or remittance fees internationally. These are two layer two benefits that will see widespread adoption in the next 2 - 4 years.

The Twitter feed Jason Lowery takes a much more nuanced view of btc as method of defense. I highly reccomend following him for a much different perspective on btc.

If btc and blockchain were not a groundbreaking technology, why would we be seeing trillions of inflows from the investment community to develop on it? but hey, keep thinking btc is a MLM or akin to some other tech like mp3 players, laser discs or some other tech that saw adoption but had it's day come and go.
You are thinking too much like someone in the U.S. that has a stable (even if inefficient) financial system. There are ~8 billion people now. How many of them don't have access to a stable financial system? To me, that was and is still the best use case.
... and there's this.
 
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So 26 years after the internet was born you (we) began to see mass adoption and changes to the way we live our lives. Looks like crypto has a few years left to build using that timeframe.

Again, pre internet technology moved at a snail’s pace. They are two entirely different eras and comparing timelines from say 1983 to 1995, against 2009 to 2022 are very different timelines. Ex: 1983 there were large barely usable cell phones, 1995 we had barely usable car phones, and slightly smaller cell phones, 2009 pocket sized flip phones were still prevalent, in 2022 everyone has a fully functioning computer in their pocket.
 
Mountaineer here again. I was 7 in 1995 and in that time my family had just gotten it’s first home computer with Windows 95 and I had a set time for “computer class” in 2nd grade, my school had just launched its website and was 1 year away from investing heavily into a computer lab. Comparing that technological boom that changed the way every home, school, and office operated to what is at best a revamp of existing technology (data/payment systems) is just not accurate.

Crypto has its niche, there are the few offbeat real use cases, and of course the much more mainstream use of buying low and selling high. But it is hardly a game changer, the technology as you have mentioned has not changed, it is not driving any meaningful adoption 10+ years after its inception, which is a much longer time than 10 years in the pre internet era given how much quicker we are as a society to share info, learn, adapt, etc. The primary reason it is even the hot button topic it is today is because it is possibly the best ever MLM campaign ever executed which has driven a massive debate as to why it’s so valuable. But the core principles of its existence (currency, store of value, smart contracts, NFTs, payment systems) are flawed.
huh? they've already issued sovereign debt using the eth network. This doesn't even account for other practical applications like gaming, design, etc
 
I was waiting for you to chime in after my 'eer comment :)

I 1000% stand by my comments. As someone who pivoted from a Commodore64 dialing into BBS services, to dialing into Prodigy, then AOL 1.0 then using ISDN. I witnessed as people of all varying backgrounds stared perplexed by the need to do X with any of those was vital or important. Again, email in the early to mid 90's was deemed stupid by many people. Mobile phones were deemed as pointless. Smartphones were challenged. iPhone's were deemed gluttonous or not necessary. Every new tech breakthrough faces a barrier to mainstream adoption btc is no different.

Watch when small businesses are able to save thousands of dollars a month in CC processing fees by using the lightning network. Watch when I'm able to 100% bypass any exchange or remittance fees internationally. These are two layer two benefits that will see widespread adoption in the next 2 - 4 years.

The Twitter feed Jason Lowery takes a much more nuanced view of btc as method of defense. I highly reccomend following him for a much different perspective on btc.

If btc and blockchain were not a groundbreaking technology, why would we be seeing trillions of inflows from the investment community to develop on it? but hey, keep thinking btc is a MLM or akin to some other tech like mp3 players, laser discs or some other tech that saw adoption but had it's day come and go.

... and there's this.

Re: early internet, the most boomer of boomer parents were intrigued by it, there was never a deep polarization of any comparison to BTC. BTC advocates expect everyone to give up their financial security and put themselves at risk of fat fingering a wrong code and losing their entire account, or storing their password in the wrong place and getting hacked. Additionally, they are expecting everyone to put in countless steps to start walking around with electronic wallets to complete a process that is already incredibly easy to do - pay for something. The early internet was interesting (the ability to learn about anything), fun (games), efficient (email). Crypto is not that. Again, the niche uses are there, but they are not the one size fits all solution the internet is and was.

Getting rid of CC fees sounds great, but requires cooperation of their entire customer base to pay a certain way. Would they also need to pay in bitcoin? Because even crypto advocates are nowhere close to a consensus on which crypto would be best. It’s just not feasible to get that many people on the same page.

The only investments to develop anything on a blockchain is to create a coin that goes up in value based on artificial hype. Solana, ETH, Litcecoin, Cardano, all those companies do nothing for anyone not consumed with crypto. I am pretty sure all of them have yet to produce a real world every day product outside of their own coin/chain.
 
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huh? they've already issued sovereign debt using the eth network. This doesn't even account for other practical applications like gaming, design, etc

What does issuing sovereign debt on the ETH network or any of the practical implications replace? In other words, why is crypto necessary to do things that already existed?
 
Re: early internet, the most boomer of boomer parents were intrigued by it, there was never a deep polarization of any comparison to BTC. BTC advocates expect everyone to give up their financial security and put themselves at risk of fat fingering a wrong code and losing their entire account, or storing their password in the wrong place and getting hacked. Additionally, they are expecting everyone to put in countless steps to start walking around with electronic wallets to complete a process that is already incredibly easy to do - pay for something. The early internet was interesting (the ability to learn about anything), fun (games), efficient (email). Crypto is not that. Again, the niche uses are there, but they are not the one size fits all solution the internet is and was.

Getting rid of CC fees sounds great, but requires cooperation of their entire customer base to pay a certain way. Would they also need to pay in bitcoin? Because even crypto advocates are nowhere close to a consensus on which crypto would be best. It’s just not feasible to get that many people on the same page.

The only investments to develop anything on a blockchain is to create a coin that goes up in value based on artificial hype. Solana, ETH, Litcecoin, Cardano, all those companies do nothing for anyone not consumed with crypto. I am pretty sure all of them have yet to produce a real world every day product outside of their own coin.
I think you miss the point a bit on the payment processing. You don't need to own crypto for your payment to go through one of these networks. They are faster and cheaper, once they become more secure and adoptable, you'll see them more and more. As bob mentioned, if there wasn't promise in the tech, why are all of these high profile companies investing in it?

In terms of the early internet being interesting vs. crypto, I think you need to look more at Web3 and not just "crypto." Everything you're talking about (learning, games, communication, etc.) is happening on Web3 and much of it using different blockchain technologies. Conference calls have become Zoom which will eventually become metaverse meetings, very likely built on one or more of the chains you mention. PlayStation/XBox will give way to blockchain games. The list goes on and on.

Lastly, as far as Sol, eth, ADA, etc. not releasing anything...1. I could give you plenty of examples but more importantly 2. We are talking about 2-3 year old companies in some of these cases. Give it time.
 
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Again, pre internet technology moved at a snail’s pace. They are two entirely different eras and comparing timelines from say 1983 to 1995, against 2009 to 2022 are very different timelines. Ex: 1983 there were large barely usable cell phones, 1995 we had barely usable car phones, and slightly smaller cell phones, 2009 pocket sized flip phones were still prevalent, in 2022 everyone has a fully functioning computer in their pocket.

Technology advancement is far from the only ingredient to a successful enterprise.

I've been working in the blockchain / crypto space for five years. The difference in the space in that time is remarkable. OG crypto people are completely different than the people that have been attracted to work in the space in the last 1-2 years. Only recently have things become more professionalized on a wider scale.
 
What does issuing sovereign debt on the ETH network or any of the practical implications replace? In other words, why is crypto necessary to do things that already existed?
you said it had no practical applications, I just gave one example of it's real world use. In this example I cited, it allows for faster application to market among other things.

blockchain is the future from speed, continuous process, build upon applications (nest computing would be an single cell organism by comparison) and the list goes on and on.

to say crypto has no applications to our world is really to say you don't fully appreciate it's power as a disruptor.
 
Technology advancement is far from the only ingredient to a successful enterprise.

I've been working in the blockchain / crypto space for five years. The difference in the space in that time is remarkable. OG crypto people are completely different than the people that have been attracted to work in the space in the last 1-2 years. Only recently have things become more professionalized on a wider scale.

As I’ve said, it has its uses. But a different type of cloud storage is not in line with what the core messaging of crypto is, nor does it justify the hype of being a comparable game changer to the early internet.
 
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you said it had no practical applications, I just gave one example of it's real world use. In this example I cited, it allows for faster application to market among other things.

blockchain is the future from speed, continuous process, build upon applications (nest computing would be an single cell organism by comparison) and the list goes on and on.

to say crypto has no applications to our world is really to say you don't fully appreciate it's power as a disruptor.

You gave an example of something that already exists without the invention of ETH.
 
Conference calls have become Zoom which will eventually become metaverse meetings, very likely built on one or more of the chains you mention. PlayStation/XBox will give way to blockchain games.
Can you elaborate? Why would Zoom/metaverse meetings be “built on…the chains”? Why would Ps/XBox give way to blockchain games (although I’m sure NFTs will become a big part of gaming)? Companies like Zoom, Microsoft, etc. aren’t going to build their infrastructure/applications “on the chains”. At best, tech like blockchain or NFTs become plug-ins. So where does crypto/Web3 intersect with everyday people so that it can change the world?
 
As I’ve said, it has its uses. But a different type of cloud storage is not in line with what the core messaging of crypto is, nor does it justify the hype of being a comparable game changer to the early internet.

That's like saying the internet in 1997 is nonsense because the messaging of certain sites is crap. I'd ascertain the same thing if the only thing I saw on the internet back then was my members.aol.com website.

I firmly stand behind my disruptive tech comment.
 
That's like saying the internet in 1997 is nonsense because the messaging of certain sites is crap. I'd ascertain the same thing if the only thing I saw on the internet back then was my members.aol.com website.

I firmly stand behind my disruptive tech comment.

Yea but people didn’t say that in 1997 did they? It’s not like me the Joe Schmo, is the only skeptic, there are highly qualified people of all backgrounds in engineering, data science, finance, technology, compliance that will straight up call the whole thing a sham. I’m pretty sure that wasnt happening in 1997 outside of the people who are extremely adverse to change. The only parallel between then and now I see is that before the dot com bust, any idea with “website” attached to it would get overvalued, and now any idea with “coin” or “blockchain” attached to it gets overvalued.

Blockchain may go on to solve some problems, I’m not a tech guy so can’t comment intelligently on how it compares to cloud storage or traditional payment systems, but nowhere close to the scale of the impact the internet had. I also feel the original idea of a cryptocurrency (take your pick) becoming the world reserve currency is highly unlikely to happen, but we’ll see how much farther this thing will go I guess.
 
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Can you elaborate? Why would Zoom/metaverse meetings be “built on…the chains”? Why would Ps/XBox give way to blockchain games (although I’m sure NFTs will become a big part of gaming)? Companies like Zoom, Microsoft, etc. aren’t going to build their infrastructure/applications “on the chains”. At best, tech like blockchain or NFTs become plug-ins. So where does crypto/Web3 intersect with everyday people so that it can change the world?
I think everyone agrees blockchain technology can be disruptive. If you remove the tokenization from the conversation and just focus on the tech- its faster, cheaper, more secure and allows for more interoperability. IBM's work on their blockchain platforms is a great example of this. The technology is better, its a matter of whether or not companies are pushed to be interoperable. In my opinion, they will be.

Video games are a good example and have a lot that can be gained from interoperability. Sony and Microsoft are fighting against this (see Microsoft's ban of NFT's in Minecraft) because they want to keep things in house and at the moment interoperability isn't in their best interest. While at the same time Microsoft just invested in it's first blockchain game ( https://news.bitcoin.com/microsoft-...heroes-as-historic-partnership-gets-underway/).
 
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