OT: Bitcoin, Altcoins, NFT's & All Things Crypto
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I’ll call it not crypto. Lessons just as well suited for stock and investment
Yike, over $33k for BTC. Major pump. Blackrock getting approved by the end of Oct?
I own a good amount of HUT, RIOT and MARA calls. I will be looking to roll them into next week. I have been buying mostly 1-2 week calls.
Makes perfect sense. Gotta have the calls in place when the big day comes. Unfortunately, the timeline is murkier than the Grayscale court decision. That was a fun day! :)
Finished the book today and it was great. He started out on a quest to prove Tether was a scam and ended up taking a wild ride through the world of crypto- SBF, NFT’s, scam farms, etc. Pretty fascinating stories throughout.
From Anthony Pompliano:
To investors,
The idea of safe haven assets is not new. These are assets that should retain or increase their value during times of uncertainty. Historically, US Treasuries have served as the ultimate safe haven because the bond came with a fixed rate of return if held to maturity and the only way you would not be paid back your principal is if the US government defaulted.
Given the low likelihood of this situation, investors have been pouring capital into US Treasuries for decades whenever things got shaky in financial markets.
But something weird has been happening over the last two years—US Treasuries are starting to lose their appeal as a safe haven asset. If this trend continues, it will force investors to recalibrate how they think about risk, safe havens, and capital allocation.
For example, Arthur Hayes points out that TLT - the US Treasury ETF - is down approximately 16% since Russia invaded Ukraine and the same ETF is down about 3% since Hamas killed hundreds of civilians in Israel.
US Treasuries being down in value weeks or months after these geopolitical events would not necessarily be noteworthy if all asset prices were down collectively. You could blame the macro market conditions, certain actions from the Federal Reserve, or claim that investors were spooked across the board.
That is not what has happened though.
At the same time that US Treasuries are falling in value during uncertainty, bitcoin continues to rise in value. These two assets have decoupled and investors appear to be treating bitcoin as the safe haven asset. In a way, investors are dumping bonds to buy bitcoin.
Since the Russia/Ukraine conflict started, bitcoin has appreciated around 50%. Since the Hamas/Israel conflict started, bitcoin is up about 24%. Not only is bitcoin up materially on both time frames, but remember that bitcoin has appreciated at the same time that TLT has gone down.
This development is surprising enough that people across the market are starting to verbalize their surprise. Mohamed El-Erian, the Chief Economic Adviser at Allianz, recently was on CNBC and said the following about US Treasuries losing their safe haven status:
“We haven't seen the flight to quality and the flight to safety that you would expect, given what's happening in the world…So yes, it should be the safe-haven, it should have already benefited. But the reality is that the 10-year yield today is a good 70 basis points higher than it was before this latest conflict erupted.”
El-Erian also pointed out that bitcoin and US equities appear to be the beneficiaries of this trend change, which each asset class becoming more of a safe haven in the minds of investors.
In my opinion, US equities will always have a bid in the market. It goes back to the idea of Warren Buffett’s famous line: “Never bet against America.” Whether Buffett is right or wrong, an entire generation of investors are going to heed that advice.
The more interesting conversation is around bitcoin. Why is a “risk asset” going up in value during times of uncertainty and tight monetary policy? The simple answer is that investors are starting to recognize that bitcoin is not a risk asset at all. In fact, these professional investors are actually warming up to the idea that bitcoin is the ultimate safe haven asset.
As I wrote in March 2021, bitcoin already proved to be the best safe haven asset coming through the first 12 months of the pandemic crisis. But many people, including some of the smartest investors in the market, brushed this price performance off as an anomaly.
It is getting harder to do that with each passing day. Take Blackrock CEO Larry Fink as the prime example. He previously said bitcoin was an “index of money laundering,” but has changed his tune in recent months and recently stated that bitcoin was a flight to quality. Fink is not an insane anon on the internet. He is the leader of the world’s largest money manger.
So why is Larry Fink and the rest of the financial industry waking up to bitcoin’s role as the ultimate safe haven asset?
Bitcoin provides certainty and predictability regardless of what is happening in the world. Whether there is peace or war, and whether we are in loose or tight monetary regimes, bitcoin will continue to produce 900 bitcoin per day until the next halving. At that point, bitcoin will produce 450 bitcoin per day for the next ~ 4 years.
This level of predictability is foreign to financial markets because the legacy system has become a reactive cesspool of guessing and human error.
On top of the certainty that bitcoin provides through its monetary policy, the decentralized protocol also allows anyone to audit the system at any time. This real-time audibility is increasing in importance as financial markets become more uncertain. If I asked you to confirm how much money has been printed by any central bank in the last 24 months, how would you do it with 100% confidence? You can’t.
Drop bonds, buy bitcoin.
This was previously something that was parroted by the hardcore bitcoin community, but it appears to have permeated into traditional finance and the global financial market.
These large financial institutions, coupled with pensions/endowments/foundations, hold trillions of dollars in bonds. If that capital was to flow in a different direction, it would be catastrophic for the United States and an asset like bitcoin would have to re-price at substantially higher levels.
The Editorial Board at the Financial Times recently wrote about the decreasing interest in bonds:
“The US government’s widening deficit has driven higher bond issuance, while rising spending needs and political turmoil are raising expectations for future Treasury supply too. But demand has fallen, particularly with the Fed shrinking its Treasury holdings via quantitative tightening. Belief that the underlying interest rate could be higher in the long term is also growing. This is pushing up yields, but uncertainty also remains high. While 10-year yields have been on an upward march since the Fed began raising rates, intraday swings are common.”
Let’s not get ahead of ourselves though. Ultimately, assets benefit or suffer from a confidence game.
Capital flows suggest investors are decreasing their trust in Treasuries and increasing their trust in bitcoin. This phenomenon will be worth watching over the coming years. It could mark one of the most significant changes to financial markets in the last few decades.
Hope you all have a great day. I’ll talk to everyone tomorrow.
-Anthony Pompliano
The idea of safe haven assets is not new. These are assets that should retain or increase their value during times of uncertainty. Historically, US Treasuries have served as the ultimate safe haven because the bond came with a fixed rate of return if held to maturity and the only way you would not be paid back your principal is if the US government defaulted.
Given the low likelihood of this situation, investors have been pouring capital into US Treasuries for decades whenever things got shaky in financial markets.
But something weird has been happening over the last two years—US Treasuries are starting to lose their appeal as a safe haven asset. If this trend continues, it will force investors to recalibrate how they think about risk, safe havens, and capital allocation.
For example, Arthur Hayes points out that TLT - the US Treasury ETF - is down approximately 16% since Russia invaded Ukraine and the same ETF is down about 3% since Hamas killed hundreds of civilians in Israel.
US Treasuries being down in value weeks or months after these geopolitical events would not necessarily be noteworthy if all asset prices were down collectively. You could blame the macro market conditions, certain actions from the Federal Reserve, or claim that investors were spooked across the board.
That is not what has happened though.
At the same time that US Treasuries are falling in value during uncertainty, bitcoin continues to rise in value. These two assets have decoupled and investors appear to be treating bitcoin as the safe haven asset. In a way, investors are dumping bonds to buy bitcoin.
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This development is surprising enough that people across the market are starting to verbalize their surprise. Mohamed El-Erian, the Chief Economic Adviser at Allianz, recently was on CNBC and said the following about US Treasuries losing their safe haven status:
“We haven't seen the flight to quality and the flight to safety that you would expect, given what's happening in the world…So yes, it should be the safe-haven, it should have already benefited. But the reality is that the 10-year yield today is a good 70 basis points higher than it was before this latest conflict erupted.”
El-Erian also pointed out that bitcoin and US equities appear to be the beneficiaries of this trend change, which each asset class becoming more of a safe haven in the minds of investors.
In my opinion, US equities will always have a bid in the market. It goes back to the idea of Warren Buffett’s famous line: “Never bet against America.” Whether Buffett is right or wrong, an entire generation of investors are going to heed that advice.
The more interesting conversation is around bitcoin. Why is a “risk asset” going up in value during times of uncertainty and tight monetary policy? The simple answer is that investors are starting to recognize that bitcoin is not a risk asset at all. In fact, these professional investors are actually warming up to the idea that bitcoin is the ultimate safe haven asset.
As I wrote in March 2021, bitcoin already proved to be the best safe haven asset coming through the first 12 months of the pandemic crisis. But many people, including some of the smartest investors in the market, brushed this price performance off as an anomaly.
It is getting harder to do that with each passing day. Take Blackrock CEO Larry Fink as the prime example. He previously said bitcoin was an “index of money laundering,” but has changed his tune in recent months and recently stated that bitcoin was a flight to quality. Fink is not an insane anon on the internet. He is the leader of the world’s largest money manger.
So why is Larry Fink and the rest of the financial industry waking up to bitcoin’s role as the ultimate safe haven asset?
Bitcoin provides certainty and predictability regardless of what is happening in the world. Whether there is peace or war, and whether we are in loose or tight monetary regimes, bitcoin will continue to produce 900 bitcoin per day until the next halving. At that point, bitcoin will produce 450 bitcoin per day for the next ~ 4 years.
This level of predictability is foreign to financial markets because the legacy system has become a reactive cesspool of guessing and human error.
On top of the certainty that bitcoin provides through its monetary policy, the decentralized protocol also allows anyone to audit the system at any time. This real-time audibility is increasing in importance as financial markets become more uncertain. If I asked you to confirm how much money has been printed by any central bank in the last 24 months, how would you do it with 100% confidence? You can’t.
Drop bonds, buy bitcoin.
This was previously something that was parroted by the hardcore bitcoin community, but it appears to have permeated into traditional finance and the global financial market.
These large financial institutions, coupled with pensions/endowments/foundations, hold trillions of dollars in bonds. If that capital was to flow in a different direction, it would be catastrophic for the United States and an asset like bitcoin would have to re-price at substantially higher levels.
The Editorial Board at the Financial Times recently wrote about the decreasing interest in bonds:
“The US government’s widening deficit has driven higher bond issuance, while rising spending needs and political turmoil are raising expectations for future Treasury supply too. But demand has fallen, particularly with the Fed shrinking its Treasury holdings via quantitative tightening. Belief that the underlying interest rate could be higher in the long term is also growing. This is pushing up yields, but uncertainty also remains high. While 10-year yields have been on an upward march since the Fed began raising rates, intraday swings are common.”
Let’s not get ahead of ourselves though. Ultimately, assets benefit or suffer from a confidence game.
Capital flows suggest investors are decreasing their trust in Treasuries and increasing their trust in bitcoin. This phenomenon will be worth watching over the coming years. It could mark one of the most significant changes to financial markets in the last few decades.
Hope you all have a great day. I’ll talk to everyone tomorrow.
-Anthony Pompliano
ETFs are not Treasuries
Bond Mutual Funds are not Treasuries
The only thing that has changed is people who sold the scam of Bond ETFs and Mutual funds being the same as actual bonds have been proven to be not the smartest people in the room.
This is the golden age of bonds. We haven't seen this in 24 years - actual Yield.
You can have some worry about Fiscal policy.... but, "drop bonds buy Bitdog"? lolzzzzzzzzzz
Bond Mutual Funds are not Treasuries
The only thing that has changed is people who sold the scam of Bond ETFs and Mutual funds being the same as actual bonds have been proven to be not the smartest people in the room.
This is the golden age of bonds. We haven't seen this in 24 years - actual Yield.
You can have some worry about Fiscal policy.... but, "drop bonds buy Bitdog"? lolzzzzzzzzzz
It appears as if $sol has rallied to the point that the FTX estate is ready to start cashing in. Nice and steady.
He goin’ to the pokey for a long time. He’ll probably secretly get recruited into the CIA crypto unit to help catch other bad guys.
true...
but, "out on appeal" and "waiting appeal" are two VERY different things.......
let's see which...
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@bob-loblaw @ScarletNut come on, tell me you’re riding these pumps. Been a while since we’ve this. Hope you’re enjoying it
I’ve been waiting for this thread to heat up. Yes, I’m riding the pump. My BTC and ETH coins are well into the green. All my altcoins have risen and are profitable too . I expect them to run up by multiples of BTC and ETH gains. My dead money in GBTC has woken up. Once the ETFs are approved, watch out. Between the halving, ETFs and upgrades to SOL, ETH kick in, it’ll be a perfect storm.
We need Blackrock to keep rolling! I only have positions in BTC and ETH via Fidelity, but got back in at excellent levels.
Agreed, great to see GBTC waking up. Grayscale and all shareholders deserve this pump.
Love to see it. The return of 100% days and 5-700% weeks on altcoins has been quite welcoming. And it seems like things are just heating up.
WSJ News Exclusive | Binance Founder Changpeng Zhao Agrees to Step Down, Plead Guilty
The chief executive of the largest global cryptocurrency exchange, plans to plead guilty to violating criminal U.S. anti-money-laundering requirements.
www.wsj.com
Both of them will end up in jail. Two crooks!it's fine.......
again.....
countries have: laws, and guns and jails and borders.....
tell me all you want about "DiFi"...........
Funny how Tom Farley was working hard this morning to talk up his acquisition of Coindesk and pump crypto on CNBC when he obviously knew this Binance debacle was going to pop in the afternoon. In case you missed it don’t worry, nothing but SOS = fresh $100K prediction…now it’s definitely a store of value…applauded transparency of BTC…rinse and repeat…next up Cathy Wood LMAO
What a nothing burger of a ruling. Good to see they cracked down on them lol. Barely any movement to the market after all of that hand wringing.
It’s gonna be an interesting liquidity test when they have to pay the invoice. I would think they will need to liquidate a lot of BTC to pay that bill and there hasn’t been a lot of volume behind the recent rally. Wouldn’t be shocked if CZ knew this was coming and manipulated a rally that he can sell into to minimize the damage.
yes, all the people invested in keep fake money afloat made sure to keep fake money afloat... total nuthingburger...
Go to your local bank and try to withdraw $5k without an appointment. It’s all fake. Might as well make some money off of it while the fun lasts
i've said dozens of time in this thread...... making money on this shit while you can is great..
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